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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Easy E wrote:

It would actually give them a chance to scale it back abit and carve out some of the bloat and focus on the core of the game.

What do you think is too "bloated" about AoS that wouldn't be for a WFB return?


I am sure everyone would have different ideas about it. However, for a start I would really focus in on the Old World vs. the Non-Old World. I mean, Forgeworld can only do so many models, so they would probably need to start a bit smaller and then expand outward once some core forces were defined. To me, the Core foes in Warhammer are Empire vs. Chaos Wastes and would have to be first in my mind. If those go okay, you could then expand outward.


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Nah. Start even smaller. Empire vs Orcs. Blackfire Pass. HH style. Time of Legends.

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I'd love to see it in an appropriate scale, like the battle of the five armies box (wish I got that before they killed specialist games). Keep AoS for skirmish stuff but let me field a proper goblin horde.

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Warmaster would be pretty cool.
Apparently there was even a Araby army, so they could introduce Cathay, Nippon, etc as well.

There was still a lot of the old world they could have expanded upon. Nuking it was a wasted opportunity.

I would like to play it in 25mm scale, but if that's not possible 6mm-10mm scale is fine

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Chikout wrote:
Icv2 has always been an extremely poor metric for judging success. It does not include GW stores or online sales which we know from GW results account for almost two thirds of their sales. It doesn't give numbers. 4 of the top 5 games didn't exist during fantasy's best periods. It also only covers north America where Sci fi is king.

The only data we have is that GW has been doing extremely well recently.
Also a public company like GW does not double down on a failing product line. The aos playerbase is clearly still growing.
You only have to look at the increasing number of posts on this forum about starting aos in the last six months.
This is why they will not bring back the old world in near future. It would stall some of the growth that Aos is showing.


Sure, it doesn't show the full picture because it doesn't include all avenues. But for those that were recorded, the old world was usually top 3 and the new world doesn't make the top 5. So regardless of how it sells in the gw network it's not sell it as well in the independents. That's not a good sign for a reboot
   
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 Easy E wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Easy E wrote:

It would actually give them a chance to scale it back abit and carve out some of the bloat and focus on the core of the game.

What do you think is too "bloated" about AoS that wouldn't be for a WFB return?


I am sure everyone would have different ideas about it. However, for a start I would really focus in on the Old World vs. the Non-Old World. I mean, Forgeworld can only do so many models, so they would probably need to start a bit smaller and then expand outward once some core forces were defined. To me, the Core foes in Warhammer are Empire vs. Chaos Wastes and would have to be first in my mind. If those go okay, you could then expand outward.

And why do we need a separate game for that?

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Herzlos wrote:
Chikout wrote:
Icv2 has always been an extremely poor metric for judging success. It does not include GW stores or online sales which we know from GW results account for almost two thirds of their sales. It doesn't give numbers. 4 of the top 5 games didn't exist during fantasy's best periods. It also only covers north America where Sci fi is king.

The only data we have is that GW has been doing extremely well recently.
Also a public company like GW does not double down on a failing product line. The aos playerbase is clearly still growing.
You only have to look at the increasing number of posts on this forum about starting aos in the last six months.
This is why they will not bring back the old world in near future. It would stall some of the growth that Aos is showing.


Sure, it doesn't show the full picture because it doesn't include all avenues. But for those that were recorded, the old world was usually top 3 and the new world doesn't make the top 5. So regardless of how it sells in the gw network it's not sell it as well in the independents. That's not a good sign for a reboot
Most of the time I'm seeing people order online rather then through the stores.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:


Personally--I don't want the Old World back. Them being wishywashy and bringing it back is, IMO, cowtowing to the whiners. Just let it go, move things into the Realms and if people want to say their games were in the Old World that's fine--not like the Old World didn't have jungles, mountains, steppes, oceans, etc.


Kanny, kan kan kan. You wonder why people are so hostile to AoS players when you spout gak like that?


Live and let live. I have no quarrel with AoS players so long as they don't go around calling people "whiners" and telling people to "get over it". You're trying to nurture a new system here by actively antagonizing the players of the previous one? How exactly is this a good strategy?

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 Grimtuff wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:


Personally--I don't want the Old World back. Them being wishywashy and bringing it back is, IMO, cowtowing to the whiners. Just let it go, move things into the Realms and if people want to say their games were in the Old World that's fine--not like the Old World didn't have jungles, mountains, steppes, oceans, etc.


Kanny, kan kan kan. You wonder why people are so hostile to AoS players when you spout gak like that?


Live and let live. I have no quarrel with AoS players so long as they don't go around calling people "whiners" and telling people to "get over it". You're trying to nurture a new system here by actively antagonizing the players of the previous one? How exactly is this a good strategy?
You should've seen the response of WHFB players early on to people who liked AoS that still continues to this day. It's not a new system at this point, it's one that's been established for a while now that a certain crowd still denies.

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:


Personally--I don't want the Old World back. Them being wishywashy and bringing it back is, IMO, cowtowing to the whiners. Just let it go, move things into the Realms and if people want to say their games were in the Old World that's fine--not like the Old World didn't have jungles, mountains, steppes, oceans, etc.


Kanny, kan kan kan. You wonder why people are so hostile to AoS players when you spout gak like that?


Live and let live. I have no quarrel with AoS players so long as they don't go around calling people "whiners" and telling people to "get over it". You're trying to nurture a new system here by actively antagonizing the players of the previous one? How exactly is this a good strategy?
You should've seen the response of WHFB players early on to people who liked AoS that still continues to this day. It's not a new system at this point, it's one that's been established for a while now that a certain crowd still denies.


It is though in the grand scheme of things.

Perhaps if you stopped dancing over the corpse of WHFB and let the game stand on its own merits then maybe it could grow in a more amicable environment?

GW committed what is nothing short of cultural vandalism and these things take time to heal. Some people will never forgive them, some people might. Telling people to just "get over it" is just fanning flames. I don't care dip into AoS threads and tell them their game is wrong, so the same courtesy should be shown by the other side.


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 Grimtuff wrote:

It is though in the grand scheme of things.

Perhaps if you stopped dancing over the corpse of WHFB and let the game stand on its own merits then maybe it could grow in a more amicable environment?

Wants a "more amicable environment" and accuses people of "dancing over the corpse" of a game system.

Posts this:

GW committed what is nothing short of cultural vandalism and these things take time to heal. Some people will never forgive them, some people might. Telling people to just "get over it" is just fanning flames. I don't care dip into AoS threads and tell them their game is wrong, so the same courtesy should be shown by the other side.

YOU might not do that. But you're not the only person in the world and quite frankly, you should just "get over it". WHFB is gone, AoS is here. Move on or move out.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:

It is though in the grand scheme of things.

Perhaps if you stopped dancing over the corpse of WHFB and let the game stand on its own merits then maybe it could grow in a more amicable environment?

Wants a "more amicable environment" and accuses people of "dancing over the corpse" of a game system.

Posts this:

GW committed what is nothing short of cultural vandalism and these things take time to heal. Some people will never forgive them, some people might. Telling people to just "get over it" is just fanning flames. I don't care dip into AoS threads and tell them their game is wrong, so the same courtesy should be shown by the other side.

YOU might not do that. But you're not the only person in the world and quite frankly, you should just "get over it". WHFB is gone, AoS is here. Move on or move out.


That's literally what you're doing mate. Perhaps if you didn't do it maybe the former could exist?

So, what exactly does telling someone to (let me spell this out for you) MOVE OUT OF A THREAD SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSING WHETHER GW SHOULD BRING THE OLD WORLD BACK achieve exactly? Take your circlejerk elsewhere, there are people who want it back. I suggest you get over yourself as there are people with different opinions to yourself in this thread and are welcome to voice them. No-one died and made you judge jury and executioner of matters pertaining to what we can talk about ITT.

WHFB died. I'll never forgive GW for what they did. I will not get over it. Even if I did, I still would not just to spite you.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:

It is though in the grand scheme of things.

Perhaps if you stopped dancing over the corpse of WHFB and let the game stand on its own merits then maybe it could grow in a more amicable environment?

Wants a "more amicable environment" and accuses people of "dancing over the corpse" of a game system.

Posts this:

GW committed what is nothing short of cultural vandalism and these things take time to heal. Some people will never forgive them, some people might. Telling people to just "get over it" is just fanning flames. I don't care dip into AoS threads and tell them their game is wrong, so the same courtesy should be shown by the other side.

YOU might not do that. But you're not the only person in the world and quite frankly, you should just "get over it". WHFB is gone, AoS is here. Move on or move out.


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 Grimtuff wrote:


Perhaps if you stopped dancing over the corpse of WHFB and let the game stand on its own merits then maybe it could grow in a more amicable environment?



You know, it doesn't really help your case about saying others should let an enviroment grow into a more amicable form when you claim that they are dancing on someone's corpse.

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Lord Kragan wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:


Perhaps if you stopped dancing over the corpse of WHFB and let the game stand on its own merits then maybe it could grow in a more amicable environment?


If hipocrisy was a source of energy I think this line would solve the problems that bitcoin is generating.


Go on, I'll bite. How exactly am I a hypocrite? I'll wait.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:


Perhaps if you stopped dancing over the corpse of WHFB and let the game stand on its own merits then maybe it could grow in a more amicable environment?


If hipocrisy was a source of energy I think this line would solve the problems that bitcoin is generating.


Go on, I'll bite. How exactly am I a hypocrite? I'll wait.
Trying to be a peacemaker, but using obvious charged language in a provocative manner while attempting to make the other side seem rude for responding to said charged language.

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:


Perhaps if you stopped dancing over the corpse of WHFB and let the game stand on its own merits then maybe it could grow in a more amicable environment?


If hipocrisy was a source of energy I think this line would solve the problems that bitcoin is generating.


Go on, I'll bite. How exactly am I a hypocrite? I'll wait.
Trying to be a peacemaker, but using obvious charged language in a provocative manner while attempting to make the other side seem rude for responding to said charged language.


Look, maybe you do have WHFB players talking gak in the AoS forum, but seeing as my last post in there was in December of 2015 I really would not know. Outside of there all I see is AoS players gloating over the corpse of a game that died so theirs could live.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Easy E wrote:

It would actually give them a chance to scale it back abit and carve out some of the bloat and focus on the core of the game.

What do you think is too "bloated" about AoS that wouldn't be for a WFB return?


I am sure everyone would have different ideas about it. However, for a start I would really focus in on the Old World vs. the Non-Old World. I mean, Forgeworld can only do so many models, so they would probably need to start a bit smaller and then expand outward once some core forces were defined. To me, the Core foes in Warhammer are Empire vs. Chaos Wastes and would have to be first in my mind. If those go okay, you could then expand outward.

And why do we need a separate game for that?

Slaves to Darkness exist still, as do the Free Peoples.


For the same reason people don't use one set of historical minis to play every historical setting? Because miniatures represent something more than wound counters to some people? There is an entirely different flavor to AOS, to the point where High Elves don't feel like High Elves the moment you say they come from (some realm) instead of Ulthuan.

   
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 Grimtuff wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:


Personally--I don't want the Old World back. Them being wishywashy and bringing it back is, IMO, cowtowing to the whiners. Just let it go, move things into the Realms and if people want to say their games were in the Old World that's fine--not like the Old World didn't have jungles, mountains, steppes, oceans, etc.


Kanny, kan kan kan. You wonder why people are so hostile to AoS players when you spout gak like that?


Live and let live. I have no quarrel with AoS players so long as they don't go around calling people "whiners" and telling people to "get over it". You're trying to nurture a new system here by actively antagonizing the players of the previous one? How exactly is this a good strategy?



exactly. I'm honestly baffled that the mods doesnt' do anything about those that are always calling other whiners simply cause they don't like the same thing as they do

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I feel like bringing it back at 5-15mm scale could work well.
   
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 Phobos wrote:
There is no question that GW is doing things differently now than they used to. Whatever the reasons for it, there is no debate that GW is now more focused on games, instead of trying to be some sort of collectable company.

So, I think there might be an argument for GW to bring back the old world Warhammer; particularity as a specialist game. AoS has had enough time to get its legs, and seems to be doing quite well. So I think the threat of cannibalizing players is low.

Plus, it is a different kind of game. GW has no ranked mass battle game right now (that I am aware of). It can also try and recapture goodwill that was lost by ending it. To my eyes, it seems like they are leaving money on the table by not doing it.

I don't see a downside for this plan. The material, lore, etc, already exists. New rules would be needed, of course. Much of the AoS sculpts are usable, or they can just fire up the machines and use the older sculpts.


Just a reprint is fine. The rules set was spot on with what it was. Adding in AOS is just going to muck it up. Of course, seeing as I have the old rules set- Leave well enough alone. Still have my armies, still have the rules sets, and plenty of templates and dice to go a long way.



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Although it had it's flaws, I'm still fond of the Old world. But I have already move on to Kings of War and I have hard time imaging GW could put out anything that would make me go back to WHFB.

Regarding some earlier posts in this thread, how is the Old world a Tolkien rip-off or even Tolkienesque?
   
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I'm still of the opinion GW should just make a 9th edition, but just the rules/army books. All in one giant Tome with lore, End Times, Siege all that jazz. Charge an arm and a leg for it and be done.

We don't really need GW to make minis for it if they aren't interested in it anymore. Just a big fancy rulebook for all us vets, why not?

Then again all the saltyness I have over GW ending Warhammer is now in the past. There are just so many damn games out there now it's hard to even care anymore.

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Well, this is interesting. Whilst researching for AT, I stumbled upon this post from Penddraig of heresy30k:

The re-releases of Rogue Trader and Slaves to Darkness have completely shocked GW by how popular they have been amongst the community. There are plans for future books to be re-released but no determined timeline on when they will be available. Discussions do include the Ork books, ``ere we go` and `Freebooterz` as well as `Lost and the Damned`. There will probably be some World That Was Warhammer books as well.


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 zedmeister wrote:
Well, this is interesting. Whilst researching for AT, I stumbled upon this post from Penddraig of heresy30k:

The re-releases of Rogue Trader and Slaves to Darkness have completely shocked GW by how popular they have been amongst the community. There are plans for future books to be re-released but no determined timeline on when they will be available. Discussions do include the Ork books, ``ere we go` and `Freebooterz` as well as `Lost and the Damned`. There will probably be some World That Was Warhammer books as well.


Warhammer Fantasy: The World that Was...?


Going by the fact they are talking about re-releasing stuff? He seems to be referring to stuff like the re-release of vampire wars or the war of vengeance, rather than new cloth stuff.
   
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I think there will be an inevitability that WFB will be released at some point but more from a GW perspective. Their IP on it will eventually lapse and put it into the public domain. The only real way to stop that happening is rerelease it. It might be in 10 years though.

Also we can't expect that the current favouring of skirmish level games will continue. You can expect to see a cycle as the market becomes overly saturated and then companies generally start to develop new things as interest in the old games wanes. In the meantime we always have Total War.

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I think there will be an inevitability that WFB will be released at some point but more from a GW perspective. Their IP on it will eventually lapse and put it into the public domain. The only real way to stop that happening is rerelease it. It might be in 10 years though.

Also we can't expect that the current favouring of skirmish level games will continue. You can expect to see a cycle as the market becomes overly saturated and then companies generally start to develop new things as interest in the old games wanes. In the meantime we always have Total War.


This is what I imagine happening. An anniversary edition of the WFB rule set with some polishing of the rules done on their own time.

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I do love the idea of the Old World being "legend" or "myth"

Would be pretty weird as the WFB was WAY more grounded than the AOS fluff. You had normal people going to other places using boats and horses lol.

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