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2018/07/31 19:08:13
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: Maybe it's the hex bases for me that throws me off, but in todays times we should have the mechs to be able to torso twist especially they are part of the rules.
Sounds like you never liked Battletech's aesthetic if you always "HATED" the art. As for minis torso twisting, magnets are your friend.
Davor wrote: While it will be exciting for a while, it will not last. Their online store is a joke, everything is always said "small team no money" so how will Battletech ever grow if no time seems to ever be seriously put in?
I largely agree with you here. I don't like Catalyst as the stewards of Battletech, and would like them to get their gak together, but looking over their web store I don't see any intimidate problems. What don't you like?
Davor wrote: Heaven forbid you mention about aliens in Battletech or the Battletech forums become toxic even worse than the 40K community. You are just not allowed to have an opinion on that.
Aliens in Battletech are kinda like Fem-Marines in 40k. It is a loaded subject. Battletech, as a sci-fi setting, is fairly unique in that it does not have sentient alien races. It is humans being gakky to each other in spaaaaaace, and fans like it that way! There are alien species in the setting, but they are lower intelligence "animal" type aliens. You can have an opinion on sentient aliens, but if you are arguing to have them included in the setting you'll get a lot of push back. For example, the one and only Battletech novel that depicted semi-intelligent aliens (Far Country) is largely trashed by the community because of those aliens. Choose almost any other sci-fi setting if you want aliens, Battletech is for humans in robots reenacting the fall of the Roman Empire.
2018/07/31 19:37:22
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: Even the new minis while better don't scream, I MUST HAVE THOSE.
It does to me.
May I ask what goes through your mind when you feel like you have to post on a News & Rumors thread what is basically a rant about how a new product that a bunch of people are excited about and talking about is a HARD PASS for you - and then spice it up by telling everyon that some people were mean to you on a forum once?
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2018/07/31 19:50:47
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2018/07/31 20:02:30
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: Even the new minis while better don't scream, I MUST HAVE THOSE.
It does to me.
May I ask what goes through your mind when you feel like you have to post on a News & Rumors thread what is basically a rant about how a new product that a bunch of people are excited about and talking about is a HARD PASS for you - and then spice it up by telling everyone that some people were mean to you on a forum once?
C'mon now, you know better than that. There must not be differing opinions on the internet! And if there are, the offenders must be told repeatedly how wrong they are, preferably off-topicly!
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2018/07/31 20:36:13
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: Heaven forbid you mention about aliens in Battletech or the Battletech forums become toxic even worse than the 40K community. You are just not allowed to have an opinion on that.
...or maybe adding intelligent aliens just because in one of the very few completely anthropocentric gaming settings out there would be missing the point. You know, one or the other. It's not exactly like you don't already have an astonishingly large array of scifi gaming settings with aliens out there, after all...
2018/07/31 20:50:02
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Gameslore have always stocked Battletech stuff in the UK including the introductory boxes back when they were in print, so I expect they will offer the new boxes too.
Ghaz wrote: Yep. Definitely inspired by the Mad Cat.
I mean... it says it right there.
I'll take my comments back. The square shape makes it look like it was inspired by the Rakshasa
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2018/07/31 21:07:53
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: Even the new minis while better don't scream, I MUST HAVE THOSE.
It does to me.
May I ask what goes through your mind when you feel like you have to post on a News & Rumors thread what is basically a rant about how a new product that a bunch of people are excited about and talking about is a HARD PASS for you - and then spice it up by telling everyon that some people were mean to you on a forum once?
If it came out as a rant that wasn't my intention at all. I am very excited for this. I was just giving my opinion. Sorry if it came like a rant. No where did I say I wouldn't be buying it, or complaining it was ugly. What you quoted it doesn't get me excited because it's still not the high quality. While the quality is better and good, it's not the dang awesome let's collect them all is what I ment. Sorry for not explaining myself better.
Albertorius wrote:
Davor wrote: Heaven forbid you mention about aliens in Battletech or the Battletech forums become toxic even worse than the 40K community. You are just not allowed to have an opinion on that.
...or maybe adding intelligent aliens just because in one of the very few completely anthropocentric gaming settings out there would be missing the point. You know, one or the other. It's not exactly like you don't already have an astonishingly large array of scifi gaming settings with aliens out there, after all...
As I said, all I did was mention it. I brought it up as an idea and lo and behold the toxicity of some of the community members. Heaven forbid asking a question or having an idea in a discussion forum. Not only me but others asked the same thing. Same thing happened to them. It could have changed now but I really don't go back only to see if new things are mentioned for it. So while I would never see these people or play them they turned me off Battletech. Glad Dakka has a disucssion of it now, since it relit the fires of a product I use to love.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2018/07/31 21:40:40
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: If it came out as a rant that wasn't my intention at all. I am very excited for this. I was just giving my opinion. Sorry if it came like a rant. No where did I say I wouldn't be buying it, or complaining it was ugly. What you quoted it doesn't get me excited because it's still not the high quality. While the quality is better and good, it's not the dang awesome let's collect them all is what I ment. Sorry for not explaining myself better.
Hm... it might be an expectations thing, I think. When it comes to Battletech miniatures I think "boardgame miniatures" not "GW-level miniatures" or "boutique miniatures", so that's about what I was expecting... PVC minis adequate for a boardgame.
As I said, all I did was mention it. I brought it up as an idea and lo and behold the toxicity of some of the community members. Heaven forbid asking a question or having an idea in a discussion forum. Not only me but others asked the same thing. Same thing happened to them. It could have changed now but I really don't go back only to see if new things are mentioned for it. So while I would never see these people or play them they turned me off Battletech. Glad Dakka has a disucssion of it now, since it relit the fires of a product I use to love.
I obviously can't attest for the responses you got, as I don't go to the official forums, but well, as I said, I would think that adding aliens would be missing the point of the setting. Of course, much of the Jihad also misses it, IMHO, so what do I know.
2018/07/31 22:55:54
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: As I said, all I did was mention it. I brought it up as an idea and lo and behold the toxicity of some of the community members. Heaven forbid asking a question or having an idea in a discussion forum. Not only me but others asked the same thing. Same thing happened to them. It could have changed now but I really don't go back only to see if new things are mentioned for it. So while I would never see these people or play them they turned me off Battletech. Glad Dakka has a disucssion of it now, since it relit the fires of a product I use to love.
If you broached the aliens topic like you did the minis in this thread I can understand why you got beat up.
Again, view intelligent aliens as the Battletech equivalent of female Space Marines in 40k. That is, a small group of people want them in the setting while the vast majority don't, and discussion turns into a gak-fest whenever the topic is broached.
It sucks that you received a hostile reaction, but you inadvertently touched one of the bigger nerves in the BT community.
2018/08/01 00:02:16
Subject: Re:Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
It's really ok to have a couple of setting with no enigmatic nonhuman ruins at the basis of the tech, or threats looming just out of the colonized space.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
2018/08/01 00:10:08
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
I thought I read around Fall sometime for release but can't be sure.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2018/08/01 11:50:03
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: Even the new minis while better don't scream, I MUST HAVE THOSE.
It does to me.
May I ask what goes through your mind when you feel like you have to post on a News & Rumors thread what is basically a rant about how a new product that a bunch of people are excited about and talking about is a HARD PASS for you - and then spice it up by telling everyon that some people were mean to you on a forum once?
If it came out as a rant that wasn't my intention at all. I am very excited for this. I was just giving my opinion. Sorry if it came like a rant. No where did I say I wouldn't be buying it, or complaining it was ugly. What you quoted it doesn't get me excited because it's still not the high quality. While the quality is better and good, it's not the dang awesome let's collect them all is what I ment. Sorry for not explaining myself better.
Albertorius wrote:
Davor wrote: Heaven forbid you mention about aliens in Battletech or the Battletech forums become toxic even worse than the 40K community. You are just not allowed to have an opinion on that.
...or maybe adding intelligent aliens just because in one of the very few completely anthropocentric gaming settings out there would be missing the point. You know, one or the other. It's not exactly like you don't already have an astonishingly large array of scifi gaming settings with aliens out there, after all...
As I said, all I did was mention it. I brought it up as an idea and lo and behold the toxicity of some of the community members. Heaven forbid asking a question or having an idea in a discussion forum. Not only me but others asked the same thing. Same thing happened to them. It could have changed now but I really don't go back only to see if new things are mentioned for it. So while I would never see these people or play them they turned me off Battletech. Glad Dakka has a disucssion of it now, since it relit the fires of a product I use to love.
Aliens aren't needed in Battletech, and miss the point of it entirely.
I know that has already been said, but most Battletech fans are pretty tired of it popping up so often.
2018/08/01 12:15:28
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Well, let's put it another way- what could they add? An unknown force appears from nowhere, with equal or slightly better technology than the Inner Sphere- well, that's the Clans or Word of Blake again. Especially Word of Blake, where the Manei Dominei don't even consider themselves humans.
Biological battlemechs.... pretty much Battle Armor and Protomechs.
Perhaps play it as pockets of advanced technology left over from a vanished civilization? That's Lostech.
I'm just not sure what plots aliens could add to the mix.
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2018/08/01 12:57:33
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Gitzbitah wrote: Well, let's put it another way- what could they add? An unknown force appears from nowhere, with equal or slightly better technology than the Inner Sphere- well, that's the Clans or Word of Blake again. Especially Word of Blake, where the Manei Dominei don't even consider themselves humans.
Biological battlemechs.... pretty much Battle Armor and Protomechs.
Perhaps play it as pockets of advanced technology left over from a vanished civilization? That's Lostech.
I'm just not sure what plots aliens could add to the mix.
Plus it would shift away from the “grounded” theme of battletech quite badly, not very sci fi needs aliens.
2018/08/01 13:20:06
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
H.B.M.C. wrote: The only side faction I could see working is a rogue AI, given that Drone technology was once more common.
That's a subject they've already touched on with The Broken during the Jihad.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2018/08/01 14:05:48
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
That pic is the product they had done early for Gencon. Catalyst loves releasing product early at Gencon, creating a black market for a few months and making their fans upset. It's like the only thing they get done on time every year!
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2018/08/01 21:23:38
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: Even the new minis while better don't scream, I MUST HAVE THOSE.
It does to me.
May I ask what goes through your mind when you feel like you have to post on a News & Rumors thread what is basically a rant about how a new product that a bunch of people are excited about and talking about is a HARD PASS for you - and then spice it up by telling everyon that some people were mean to you on a forum once?
If it came out as a rant that wasn't my intention at all. I am very excited for this. I was just giving my opinion. Sorry if it came like a rant. No where did I say I wouldn't be buying it, or complaining it was ugly. What you quoted it doesn't get me excited because it's still not the high quality. While the quality is better and good, it's not the dang awesome let's collect them all is what I ment. Sorry for not explaining myself better.
Albertorius wrote:
Davor wrote: Heaven forbid you mention about aliens in Battletech or the Battletech forums become toxic even worse than the 40K community. You are just not allowed to have an opinion on that.
...or maybe adding intelligent aliens just because in one of the very few completely anthropocentric gaming settings out there would be missing the point. You know, one or the other. It's not exactly like you don't already have an astonishingly large array of scifi gaming settings with aliens out there, after all...
As I said, all I did was mention it. I brought it up as an idea and lo and behold the toxicity of some of the community members. Heaven forbid asking a question or having an idea in a discussion forum. Not only me but others asked the same thing. Same thing happened to them. It could have changed now but I really don't go back only to see if new things are mentioned for it. So while I would never see these people or play them they turned me off Battletech. Glad Dakka has a disucssion of it now, since it relit the fires of a product I use to love.
Aliens aren't needed in Battletech, and miss the point of it entirely.
I know that has already been said, but most Battletech fans are pretty tired of it popping up so often.
Here is why BattleTech will not grow. I am not saying it's the poster but others. Heaven forbid new blood have opinions and ask questions. I can never understand if someone asks a question people have to get upset. Like really just go on the next thread. Tired of it, then why read it in the first place?
From my understanding, it's one of the fluff genres that don't have aliens. So it makes it a bit more unique. Also and I can be getting this wrong, it's about the strugles of humanity. So even it's in the far future, have better tech, the struggles are still going on like they are now. So no aliens are needed. For me after reading the same story over and over again, adding aliens could make a change for the better if done properly. Thing is, how do you add in aliens that haven't done before, and improve the game play without making it same as this or that, or adding in for no orginality. I see both stories for and agaisnt now. Hope this helps a bit.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2018/08/01 21:49:41
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
That pic is the product they had done early for Gencon. Catalyst loves releasing product early at Gencon, creating a black market for a few months and making their fans upset. It's like the only thing they get done on time every year!
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Davor wrote: Here is why BattleTech will not grow. I am not saying it's the poster but others. Heaven forbid new blood have opinions and ask questions. I can never understand if someone asks a question people have to get upset. Like really just go on the next thread. Tired of it, then why read it in the first place?
Oh? Last page you said Battletech wouldn't grow because the minis sucked. Now it is because the community sucks? Make up your mind, man!
2018/08/01 21:56:10
Subject: Battletech - new starter sets coming soon
Davor wrote: From my understanding, it's one of the fluff genres that don't have aliens. So it makes it a bit more unique. Also and I can be getting this wrong, it's about the strugles of humanity. So even it's in the far future, have better tech, the struggles are still going on like they are now. So no aliens are needed. For me after reading the same story over and over again, adding aliens could make a change for the better if done properly. Thing is, how do you add in aliens that haven't done before, and improve the game play without making it same as this or that, or adding in for no orginality. I see both stories for and agaisnt now. Hope this helps a bit.
That's more or less it, yeah. The main concern of the setting is how humanity is its own worst enemy towards lasting peace.
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