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Anyone here making use of The styrix? I find the natural 4++ and 5++ in cc combined with the 2+ armor and knight senechal make for a horridly nasty thing to kill.

 Ideasweasel wrote:
Good luck Valkyrie.

I imagine your game vs him will come down to who gets first turn and can nuke the others Castellan down first.

With that in mind, have you considered alternative houses to raven? Taranis stratagem darkest hour could be a saving grace if he gets first turn and guns yours down. On a 4+ roll you can stand back up and use the shoot @top profile strat. With a reroll on darkest hour you have a 75% chance to get back up. It’s expensive but could be decisive

That's not a bad idea. I'm not so sure about the Taranis though, 6+ FNP is nice but does it beat Raven or Hawkshroud. With the strategems, I usually either use Noble Sacrifice or Valiant Last Stand, the latter of which was incredibly useful in the Custodes match, got a free round of CC with the Gallant and Errant.


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gendoikari87 wrote:
Anyone here making use of The styrix? I find the natural 4++ and 5++ in cc combined with the 2+ armor and knight senechal make for a horridly nasty thing to kill.

I think it can be decent, but it's pretty expensive at 475pts. I'd wait out until CA incase he gets a points reduction. Also the 5++ is only once per turn, it's not a huge boost at all really.

The 5++ is not once per turn, your thinking of the repair ability. Im talking about the invuln

gendoikari87 wrote:
The 5++ is not once per turn, your thinking of the repair ability. Im talking about the invuln

Fair enough, I'm still unsure if that actually makes him worth it however.

Additionally, are there any ideas of how the Castellan is going to change in CA? I'd assume a points hike, although I'm worried if they'll simply make a couple of changes to the Dominus chassis in general, which would suck for any Valiant fans like myself.

I'm preparing for them to ruin it for Knight armies while inconveniencing it for the actual problem soup builds.

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm preparing for them to ruin it for Knight armies while inconveniencing it for the actual problem soup builds.

Lol, this is both hilarious and tragically true.

as long as they don't touch the questoris chassis I'll be fine. IF the dominus has to eat it so the questoris is fine, so be it.

gendoikari87 wrote:
as long as they don't touch the questoris chassis I'll be fine. IF the dominus has to eat it so the questoris is fine, so be it.

Unfortunately I suspect that it won't be just the dominus class knights that get trash teir nerfed, Typical GW will nerf their strategums again or CP generation.
Knights are going to end up being only competitive with the 32 douches.

Looking to mash up my IK with my Custodes, plan is an outrider of shield captain, vexilla, and 3x3 bikes leaving me 916 pts leftover for a superheavy detachment. What would you all suggest?
Right now I’ve looked at Gallant+Errant+Warglaive, open to any suggestions though. I played Knights from first codex through 7th, just haven’t touched them in 8th and looking to dust them off; I have most of the FW knights and all of the questoris options prior to the 8th codex but am willing to purchase others.

Does the House Vulker strat and Endless Fury cause three hits for every natural six?

Unless gw puts out errata no

tneva82 wrote:
Unless gw puts out errata no

how so?


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I mean your not wrong but a little explanation helps people

You have 2 rules making 6=2 hits. It's not extra hit. It's 2 hits. You apply one rule, it's 2 hits. You apply 2nd rule, it's still 2 hits.

If it was extra hits it would be 3. But here we have 2 rules giving exact same result. 2 hits. 1=2 is 2 even if you apply it more than once.

If anything if they were stacking it would be FOUR hits rather than 4 as 2+2=4.

Hi all I'm thinking of starting a knight list in the new year and I have a few questions that I would like answers for if that's ok

1 is a pure knight list fun to play with and against
2 are they semi competitive ?
3 are the forgeworld Knights any good
4 anyone got any good 1750 pts list

Thanks for looking

They can be really fun to play with, but, often they can be “anti-fun” to play against. If it’s a casual setting, people need to know that you’ll be bringing 3 or 4 Knights so they can plan on having ways to deal with them and survive.

Pure Knights are one of the competitive “Gatekeeper” lists. You can either beat it, or, you’ll get smashed by it in a tournament.
Knights and Guard however, are extremely strong.

Not played any of the FW Knights myself, but, I hear that a couple of them are potentially worth considering.

At 1750, depends how hard you want to go and whether or not you want to wait for Chapter Approved. Currently you’ll easily be able to get a Castellan, 2 Gallants and either 2 Helverin or Warglaives into 1750 with points to spare. All depends on what you want to do though.

Kdash wrote:
They can be really fun to play with, but, often they can be “anti-fun” to play against. If it’s a casual setting, people need to know that you’ll be bringing 3 or 4 Knights so they can plan on having ways to deal with them and survive.

Pure Knights are one of the competitive “Gatekeeper” lists. You can either beat it, or, you’ll get smashed by it in a tournament.
Knights and Guard however, are extremely strong.

Not played any of the FW Knights myself, but, I hear that a couple of them are potentially worth considering.

At 1750, depends how hard you want to go and whether or not you want to wait for Chapter Approved. Currently you’ll easily be able to get a Castellan, 2 Gallants and either 2 Helverin or Warglaives into 1750 with points to spare. All depends on what you want to do though.
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Thanks for the info I only realy play in tournaments now
Thanks I keep forgetting chapter approved is not to far off I won't be buying anything till the new year so can wait to see what changes happen

Oldman Lee wrote:
Hi all I'm thinking of starting a knight list in the new year and I have a few questions that I would like answers for if that's ok

1 is a pure knight list fun to play with and against
2 are they semi competitive ?
3 are the forgeworld Knights any good
4 anyone got any good 1750 pts list

Thanks for looking

1 Similar to Kdask fun to play with most people hate them though (Mainly because they haven't got a clue how to counter knights)
2 mostly a gate keeper more than a genuine contender listAldari soup eats them for breakfast
3 some are some are horibly Overcosted they also are going to have to survive CA 2018
4 Really what is or isn't going to be a good list will depend on CA

They are a rock list sure they crush scissors but paper gets them everytime

U02dah4 wrote:
They are a rock list sure they crush scissors but paper gets them everytime

Yes, Harlequin jetbike spam with their D6 haywire shot each will destroy basically any IK without any problem. Any laugh away watching IK shooting accuracy like Ork accuracy.

Been looking at Crusader options for the gatling cannon, I see endless fury taken a lot, but blessed by the sacristans seems like it would be a better option. 2 extra shots and extra hits on 6s vs a straight mortal wound. Against higher toughness targets and anything with a better than 4+ save, the blessed sacristans looks better.

Maybe even both, endless fury and blessed rfbc

 UMGuy wrote:
Been looking at Crusader options for the gatling cannon, I see endless fury taken a lot, but blessed by the sacristans seems like it would be a better option. 2 extra shots and extra hits on 6s vs a straight mortal wound. Against higher toughness targets and anything with a better than 4+ save, the blessed sacristans looks better.

Maybe even both, endless fury and blessed rfbc

Honestly, I agree and think Endless is a bit overhyped.

Audustum wrote:

 UMGuy wrote:
Been looking at Crusader options for the gatling cannon, I see endless fury taken a lot, but blessed by the sacristans seems like it would be a better option. 2 extra shots and extra hits on 6s vs a straight mortal wound. Against higher toughness targets and anything with a better than 4+ save, the blessed sacristans looks better.

Maybe even both, endless fury and blessed rfbc

Honestly, I agree and think Endless is a bit overhyped.

I don't know, Endless Fury is pretty spicy to me. I've used it and it absolutely put in work. Blessed by the Sacristans means you don't have Ion Bulwark on your Crusader, but of course if you already have it on another Knight it is probably good to have.

Agreed, the more I look at it, the more endless fury seems over hyped.

I was thinking something along the lines of

House hawkshroud

Castellan ion bulwark
Crusader blessed sacristans-gatling cannon
Gallant landstrider paragon gauntlet (or armor of the sainted ion)

Culexus

Guard battalion

gendoikari87 wrote:
Anyone here making use of The styrix? I find the natural 4++ and 5++ in cc combined with the 2+ armor and knight senechal make for a horridly nasty thing to kill.

In my opinion, Krast Styrix is stronger than Raven Castellan when paired with AdMech. A great mix of anti-Titan/vehicle shooting and melee.

I would use the Krast Relic and WLT. Skip the House Tradition and take the Knight as an Auxiliary.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 UMGuy wrote:
Been looking at Crusader options for the gatling cannon, I see endless fury taken a lot, but blessed by the sacristans seems like it would be a better option. 2 extra shots and extra hits on 6s vs a straight mortal wound. Against higher toughness targets and anything with a better than 4+ save, the blessed sacristans looks better.

Maybe even both, endless fury and blessed rfbc

Honestly, I agree and think Endless is a bit overhyped.

I don't know, Endless Fury is pretty spicy to me. I've used it and it absolutely put in work. Blessed by the Sacristans means you don't have Ion Bulwark on your Crusader, but of course if you already have it on another Knight it is probably good to have.

I was excited for it at first, but the math doesn't add much. A normal gatling averages 8 hits, Endless averages 11.67. So it's just a hair under 50% more hits than the regular. Wound-wise, it's even less. Against T4 3+ (and why are you shooting it at these?) the 8 hits gets you 3.56 wounds while the 11.67 gets you about 5. So 1.5 more wounds, ish, for a relic slot. Against T6 2+ (like a Custodes Jetbike) it's 2 wounds vs. 3 woundsish. T7 3+ (standard vehicle) it's 1.78 vs. 2.5ish, same for against another Knight. Even against something like Mortarion it's .89 vs. 1.33, probably one of the best improvements but still not a lot to write home about for taking a relic slot.

For relics, I much prefer Armor of the Sainted Ion if I expect the Knight to be in melee range a lot, Cawl's Wrath if it's a Castellan, Helm of the Nameless Warrior for Gallants, maybe take Krast for the Headsman's Mark (which should improve your total amount of damage dealt to be about the same as Engless Fury, I think, but ALSO effects your other guns with the restriction it only works on big targets) and Thunder of Voltoris if you're Terryn (since the RFB badly needs a buff for how expensive if is). If I'm running a heavy Knight list and don't have a lot of bodies to grab objectives, I also sometimes snag the Banner of Macharius Triumphant for the ObSec bonus.

CA Article confirms FW Knights are getting less expensive. Here's hoping my Lancer gets some love and not just the Maegara. Would happily run Triple Gallant double Lancer.

Which article is that?

It only says that the Magaera Questoris will go down.

Speaking if which, if this knight went down 150 points, would you take it?
Why/ Why not?
I think if it drops anywhere from 100 to 150 points it'll be used heavily.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 UMGuy wrote:
Been looking at Crusader options for the gatling cannon, I see endless fury taken a lot, but blessed by the sacristans seems like it would be a better option. 2 extra shots and extra hits on 6s vs a straight mortal wound. Against higher toughness targets and anything with a better than 4+ save, the blessed sacristans looks better.

Maybe even both, endless fury and blessed rfbc

Honestly, I agree and think Endless is a bit overhyped.

I don't know, Endless Fury is pretty spicy to me. I've used it and it absolutely put in work. Blessed by the Sacristans means you don't have Ion Bulwark on your Crusader, but of course if you already have it on another Knight it is probably good to have.

Its maths 2 extra shot is 11.6 hits vs 8 hits without almost 50% more output.

So against a T6 3+ 7.73 dam vs 5.33 dam ( expectancy 2.4 extra Dam)

Vs sacristans which will deal 1.33 mortal wounds on average as it triggers on the to wound roll not the to hit.

Have recently come into possession of a couple of Helverins and a Valiant. I've done some practice rolls and I'm not so sure the Helverins are actually as good as they seem. The flat 3-Damage Autocannons are nice, particularly when you consider how many shots they put out but the S7 really hurts them, they're in that weak spot, can't wound T4 on 2+, can't wound T8 on 4+. Perhaps I'm confusing their role, what would be a couple of example targets that they should go for?

Additionally, with the Valiant, are the rumoured point changes likely to affect the Valiant, or just the Castellan? Again, what would be the sort of targets to go for with the Valiant? The Harpoon is a beautiful weapon but can easily be mitigated by Invulnerable saves.

In both examples I also have 4 other Knights I can use; Castella, Gallant, Errant and Crusader.