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So I said I wasn't going down this road... that I was happy with Ravening Hordes... but I guess for the sake of fluff and money burning a hole in my pocket... and WHO DOESN'T LOVE A COMPREHENSIVE LIBRARY OF 6TH EDITION WARHAMMER(???). . . I have thought about grabbing all of the army books released during 6th. The problem is I can't figure out which is really 6th. I mean, the early ones, yes. But it seems at some point they started adding a border around the art on the cover, and in the 7th ediition rulebook, it has a picture of all of them in their glorious border form. I can't believe they are all 7th edition. Did they update the 6th edition army books with the border during 6th? Are they second edition versions of those army books?





I figured I would want all of my books to match in style. So I am not even sure all the books got the border or not, or if this is something they did halfway through 6th.

Can anyone shed some light?
   
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I think borderless books faded out in the 6th edition.

You can see the style change here:-

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Army_Books_6th_Edition


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Ah thanks, I found this for the empire one:

The Army Book Empire is an expansion book for the Games Workshop Table Top game Warhammer. This book was published for the first time in late October 2000, and is for the 6th edition of Warhammer. A later printing dated 2003 has the same content but the cover art, while the same, has a brown & black border.


So they did go back and add the borders. Cool.
   
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Yep. Same with O&G Armybook. If the cover picture is the same, the content is too.
   
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I found a site that had a massive store of PDFs of the books. I'd love hard copies, but with the juggling I'm doing with all my kids, one having Down Syndrome and a host of medical issues, and it was faster for me to print the books for now. Maybe in the future...



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Enjoy your codex creep.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

6th wasn't that bad at all for creep, it was mostly just an issue with the armies stuck with Hordes lists lacking variety by comparison to full-book armies. It was 7th when book balance went off the deep end.

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6th edition the first couple years was IMO the best in terms of balance.

The codex creep began with wood elves and bretonnia books, which were the gateways into 7th ed (which was all kinds of busted in balance)
   
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 Moscha wrote:
Yep. Same with O&G Armybook. If the cover picture is the same, the content is too.


With the note worthy exception that the Dark Elves book with border has updated rules and points different from the non-border.

You'll want the border version in this case.

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6th edition the first couple years was IMO the best in terms of balance.

The codex creep began with wood elves and bretonnia books, which were the gateways into 7th ed (which was all kinds of busted in balance)


But here is the rub, there was codex creep throughout, some books were worse than others, and if you move from Ravening Hordes then you need to go all the way and use every race book. 6th at least covered every faction except Chaos Dwarfs which still use Ravening Hordes until Tamurkhan.

I say 'welcome to codex creep' because with retrohammer with the solitary exception of Ravening Hordes you are condemned to it. At least by sticking with the most recent publication for each faction you get some progression, and 8th tried to address creep issues, no matter what you might not like about the core rules.

May I suggest sticking with Ravening Hordes or getting the 1.0 or 1.1 army rosters for 9th Age and porting the rules back to 6th while keeping the points costs from early 9th age. Its the only way you are going to get holistically balanced gaming.

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OR you could agree with your club to house rules the crappier elements out. We use the Temp list from Chronicles for the Wood Elves and Bretonnians for example.

A dead system is easier to rebalance as well as being easier to buy into bookwise.

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 Orlanth wrote:

I say 'welcome to codex creep' because with retrohammer with the solitary exception of Ravening Hordes you are condemned to it.


There wasn't much of a codex creep in 6th. Brets were middle tier at best, they had huge flanks and terrible infantry. Wood elves fell to anyone who had reliable shooting or good magic (Dwarfs, Skaven). The most powerful single book was probably Skaven but some of the books internal limitations helped with that.

The only big leap in 6th was Storm of Chaos. If you take that out or limit it to special games then you are fine.

6th was fairly well balanced over all. 7th had the power creep problems. Dark Elves started it off because Gav Thorp wanted it to be his swan song. Then Matt Ward, being the whiner that he is, had to design Daemons to pummel Dark Elves. Dude even admitted it in White Dwarf, he just wanted to top Gav. 7th was mess that didn't get better until 8th. Now 8th with 7th ed books is pretty decent.

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6th was fairly well balanced over all. 7th had the power creep problems. Dark Elves started it off because Gav Thorp wanted it to be his swan song. Then Matt Ward, being the whiner that he is, had to design Daemons to pummel Dark Elves. Dude even admitted it in White Dwarf, he just wanted to top Gav. 7th was mess that didn't get better until 8th. Now 8th with 7th ed books is pretty decent.


If i remember correctly 6th edition High Elves were a bit better than Dark Elves. Dark Elves at that point had a little worse rules and costed more. They hated High Elves though. So its only natural they had to upgrade Dark Elves someday
   
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6th Edition Dark Elves armybook was considered the worst of all rule-wise. This went that far that GW saw reason in doing an update of the armybook, changing point costs of some units (Basic Speamen and Crossbowmen I think? ) and changing the rules of some magic items. I remember, I printed it out and glued them over the original passages in the army book..

And as stated by Platuan4th, in a reprint of the armybook with brown border, they had added these changes to the text. I had totally forgotten about that.
To Glumys point: So yes, High Elves in 6th were better than the Dark Elves, but in comparison to then-released books such as Empire, Orcs & Goblins or Dwarves, they were on a fair level.
   
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I believe they also added armor to units that were suspiciously lacking armor in the Dark Elf book.


The only bad thing about the High Elf book was Intrigue at Court. It served no purpose at all except to run a high risk of kneecapping your Army General Leadership Bubble (tm).

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I honestly was really into the idea of the books for the fluff. I do have a bunch of soft copies of them, but some have the border and some didn't so it was throwing me off.

I am quite happy with Ravening Hordes and have been building my armies based on those lists. That won't really change I don't think. But just in the event that did, I wanted to be sure the books were in sync with each other.
   
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This topic somewhat inspires me to work on my Skavens. I bought 2 Islands of Blood and several regiments of Clanrats back in the day (200 Clanrats total) but never finished them past 50 models. Maybe now with so many plastic bitz it will be easy to convert entire army (like clanrats + skitarri guns = Jezzails).

I have a friend with Wood Elves who lost entire interest with the game when AOS hit so i have someone to play with.

So you say 6th edition is the way to go?
   
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6th with Ravening Hordes is easily the most balanced Warhammer you will ever play. The army books imbalance it a bit, but it's easy to house rule away the more severe stuff. Even if you DON'T house rule and use the books verbatim, the worst aspects are still manageable, which isn't something you can say about any other edition, honestly.

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