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Made in us
Vlad_the_Rotten




Griffin Fusiliers and Sylvan Animae join the battle in our second game of Confrontation Age of Rag'narok. Will gunpowder weapons defeat the wood spirits?


   
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

Better, the first game had not anything like enough miniatures. You need one full formation at least to get a decent game.

Confrontation Age of Ragnarok, is not a skirmish game even though units don't fight in block ranks like they would with other fantasy games of the time.
Think Age of Sigmar Mk0, make reasonably large armies.

Second please remember that your Wolfen incarnates get a free howl. This is important to the faction as it adds tactical variety to a list where just about everything is yet another melee werewolf.

Third mix up your scenarios, the river crossing scenarios work with the meagre starter forces in the into boxset, they breakdown rapidly after that, Multiple chokepoints makes a meatgrinder without any real tactical opportunity, just a dicefest. Ranged units help even that up a lot, but bridges and the dragonstone favour restricted play, humans cant use their numbers advantage if fighting 1v1 and that made the first battle a walk over. Nice to see this game played out differently. I wont make comments on the tactics but you can see why it wants the one sided push over for the dogs like the first game was.

If you can make a couple of Yllia's Bolts. Find a suitable 'knights & castle' playset toy crossbow or scratchbuild one and convert a couple of spare Wolfen. You can have two bolts in a unit, you can buy the Wolfen card deck online still, its a dead game and stock is still floating about. Or you can print one from online.
Wolfen with heavy crossbows will really open up the faction, as the only other ranged unit you have, Trackers are not up to much. They are tier 3 troops so they balance out.

Get whatever units you can, but if you had the Wolf army box you have Bloodthirsty Predators, which when added to the Hunters and Fangs give you all the melee variety you need, All the Wolfen units in between are more of the same, and don't add much to a boring list, and you already have Sylvan Animae.

Use your Throne of Stars incarnates, Y'Anryll is awesome and you can kit him out as a spellslinger.

Temple has a lot more to offer, and I suggest you get what you can, every unit is useful, every unit is different and has different abilities. Wolfen are a samey army, Temple are a variety army. I can't say what to get, get every thing you can. The infantry work very differently due to their special rules.

I suggest looking for Dirz, you have a white hat, a grey hat (or red), get a black hat faction. Scorpion is the best option, there is very little Ram available, too little was released.

Scorpion looks samey and there are no unit attachments, but it has a whole lot of variety big monsters little monsters elite clones massed rabble clones, the Dirz have it all and one of the most original faction background in miniatures wargaming.

Thank you for helping keep this underrated and all too short lived game alive. Confrontation: Age of Ragnarok got a lot of hate because it did what Age of Sigmar did, was built on the corpse of the previous edition. Except Rackham failed both in converting the game and in living long enough to fill out the product line. This and AT-43 had issues but had a lot of promise.

Edit: clear up the disgusting number of typos.

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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
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Vlad_the_Rotten




Thanks very much for the feedback. We're working our way through the rules and adding more elements as we go. The next game will be Ram vs. Dirz in a race to grab artifacts.
   
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Fixture of Dakka





West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA

God, Age of Ragnorok and AT-43 are so much fun! Veterans were too sour tomhave fun with them, but as someone new to Rackham stuff with both these games, I saw them for the gems they are.

The Esoteric Order of Gamers site has tons and tons of resources for both games, I highly suggest going there. Not only all the Army books for both these games, but remade cards, too.

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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."  
   
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 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, Age of Ragnorok and AT-43 are so much fun! Veterans were too sour tomhave fun with them, but as someone new to Rackham stuff with both these games, I saw them for the gems they are.

The Esoteric Order of Gamers site has tons and tons of resources for both games, I highly suggest going there. Not only all the Army books for both these games, but remade cards, too.


I am another massive fanboy for this, got all 5 armies for conf,. and the books, but they didnt make a card set for rams :(
I got into it from 2E and loved every edition and game for it
   
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

Yep I have all five armies also. Made my Ram army from three Ram army boxes plus all the incarnates. A lot is missing up its a useful core, and it left me with a lot of spare winged daemon miniatures more than I needed for the gargoyles units. They get RPG time.

I liked that they made demons special by pre-painting clear plastic for the wings. was effective at giving them the ghostly treatment.
Rackham was visionary, just very badly managed and they didnt understand Chinese outsourcing; and got totally burned.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
Made in us
Vlad_the_Rotten




 AegisGrimm wrote:
God, Age of Ragnorok and AT-43 are so much fun! Veterans were too sour tomhave fun with them, but as someone new to Rackham stuff with both these games, I saw them for the gems they are.

The Esoteric Order of Gamers site has tons and tons of resources for both games, I highly suggest going there. Not only all the Army books for both these games, but remade cards, too.


We're still learning the rules, but so far we've been impressed by how straightforward and playable the system is. (For the most part.) The packaging artwork and rulebook illustrations are amazing. We can see how Rag'narok might not appeal to folks who want a dense and crunchy ruleset, but it seems like a great product for bringing new people into the hobby. Too bad it didn't stick.

We did visit the EOG website. Ram army cards! Woot woot.
   
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 Orlanth wrote:
Yep I have all five armies also. Made my Ram army from three Ram army boxes plus all the incarnates. A lot is missing up its a useful core, and it left me with a lot of spare winged daemon miniatures more than I needed for the gargoyles units. They get RPG time.

I liked that they made demons special by pre-painting clear plastic for the wings. was effective at giving them the ghostly treatment.
Rackham was visionary, just very badly managed and they didnt understand Chinese outsourcing; and got totally burned.

I never got my hands on heavy centaur plastics or wamphyr sadly, and had to use metals to fill out some of my ranks.
   
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West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA

At this point I just use figures from other games. I have been tempted to field Chaos Knights as Centaurs, just by painting them as Death Knights, full of baroque armor and glowing eyeholes in their helms.



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 AegisGrimm wrote:
At this point I just use figures from other games. I have been tempted to field Chaos Knights as Centaurs, just by painting them as Death Knights, full of baroque armor and glowing eyeholes in their helms.


Malifaux has some kentauri I am gonna use
   
Made in us
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We're going the super-cheapo route for Ram centaurs and wamphyr: Mage Knight zombie centaur and Reaper Bones vorvorlaka. No points for style, but the investment was minimal. Seriously considered the Malifaux figures, but haven't pulled the trigger on them yet.

   
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Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

 thekingofkings wrote:

I never got my hands on heavy centaur plastics or wamphyr sadly, and had to use metals to fill out some of my ranks.


Wamphyr were released shortly before Rackham went under, you get them in a few months window in 2008 or not at all. I do have two boxes, and they are nice sculpts.
Heavy centaurs were never released, I don't think they got around to making plastics at all, the miniatures in the Ram armybook are rebased metals. Those are available from here:

https://cadwallon.com/rackham-confrontation

A Kickstarter was also launched a couple of months back and the metal miniatures will be available again, but not the plastics. Most of the Age of Rahnarok miniatures were new and different to prior editions. It had a different vibe overall, the plastic miniatures were more plausible, a lot of earlier Confrontation models were frankly wierd, and there were too many factions around too few models. It was na aquired taste, love it hate it, and often Age of Ragnarok customers were totally different gamers to old Confrontation players.


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 Skirmish Wargames wrote:


We're still learning the rules, but so far we've been impressed by how straightforward and playable the system is. (For the most part.)


Scratch the surface and you will se the issues. Thankfully you can fix them with house rules. There re problems with one or two units special rules Danakil Sentinels for one, and some core balance issues. Dont allow the players to spam broken units like Phamera, and the broken stuff is managable. Only permit Summon Sylvan Animae to be cast once, with thse summoned modesl being recastable when dead.
The main recurring problem will be with the upgrade points for incarnates, there are are lots of things to buy, but the availability list is too expensive. You can use them to buy spells or magic items, and the choices are unbalanced. We used to allow each incarnate with a magic ability to have a number of spell levels equal to its rank for free, this way you can have magic plus magic items. these free spells are forfeit if you buy a magic item thet gives you spells.

Most factions had a three point item that gate you a spellbook full of spells. Y'Anryll for example because he had a major spellcasting ability plus a high melee statline would always take this item, and not his default items, so you can have a Wolfen spellcaster. n fact it became commonplace to take a rank 3 incarnate to buy the factions spellbook. Which was a bit jarring as with exception of one specific Lion faction incarnate few of the rank three incarnates were obvious spellcasters, and most have their own items they will not be able to use. With exception of this one Lion wizard, who has for his own specilist item a spellbook which is larger and more efficient than the common faction one.

Thankfully by getting the .pdfs you will get the Age of Ragnarok versions of the myriad metal character miniatures Rackham made, way way more than in offer from the plastic sets. Some of them are quite nasty indeed.

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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
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 Orlanth wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:

I never got my hands on heavy centaur plastics or wamphyr sadly, and had to use metals to fill out some of my ranks.


Wamphyr were released shortly before Rackham went under, you get them in a few months window in 2008 or not at all. I do have two boxes, and they are nice sculpts.
Heavy centaurs were never released, I don't think they got around to making plastics at all, the miniatures in the Ram armybook are rebased metals. Those are available from here:

https://cadwallon.com/rackham-confrontation

A Kickstarter was also launched a couple of months back and the metal miniatures will be available again, but not the plastics. Most of the Age of Rahnarok miniatures were new and different to prior editions. It had a different vibe overall, the plastic miniatures were more plausible, a lot of earlier Confrontation models were frankly wierd, and there were too many factions around too few models. It was na aquired taste, love it hate it, and often Age of Ragnarok customers were totally different gamers to old Confrontation players.


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 Skirmish Wargames wrote:


I used cadwallon a lot for getting models for the cadwallon rpg (we play it using terraclips instead of tiles) good to know I didnt miss the centaurs. I will be looking for wamphyr, they tend ot show on ebay from time to time,. I was not in a location to buy minis when this edition came out, but have been able to acquire slowly I may have to take and post pics of my armies! thanks for the heads up on the models.

We're still learning the rules, but so far we've been impressed by how straightforward and playable the system is. (For the most part.)


Scratch the surface and you will se the issues. Thankfully you can fix them with house rules. There re problems with one or two units special rules Danakil Sentinels for one, and some core balance issues. Dont allow the players to spam broken units like Phamera, and the broken stuff is managable. Only permit Summon Sylvan Animae to be cast once, with thse summoned modesl being recastable when dead.
The main recurring problem will be with the upgrade points for incarnates, there are are lots of things to buy, but the availability list is too expensive. You can use them to buy spells or magic items, and the choices are unbalanced. We used to allow each incarnate with a magic ability to have a number of spell levels equal to its rank for free, this way you can have magic plus magic items. these free spells are forfeit if you buy a magic item thet gives you spells.

Most factions had a three point item that gate you a spellbook full of spells. Y'Anryll for example because he had a major spellcasting ability plus a high melee statline would always take this item, and not his default items, so you can have a Wolfen spellcaster. n fact it became commonplace to take a rank 3 incarnate to buy the factions spellbook. Which was a bit jarring as with exception of one specific Lion faction incarnate few of the rank three incarnates were obvious spellcasters, and most have their own items they will not be able to use. With exception of this one Lion wizard, who has for his own specilist item a spellbook which is larger and more efficient than the common faction one.

Thankfully by getting the .pdfs you will get the Age of Ragnarok versions of the myriad metal character miniatures Rackham made, way way more than in offer from the plastic sets. Some of them are quite nasty indeed.
   
Made in gb
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

You are saying?

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
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think I messed up a quote somewhere, but was saying the stuff shows up on ebay from time to time and I use(d) cadwallon a LOT
   
 
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