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Is it when your opponent has problems winning against it? Is because of certain units being fielded? Spamming good units?

I've have a all comers list that I use and have been pretty successful with it. But now I have heard that it's a tournament list. I like to play "Friendly" games. The list doesn't have spammed units(no more than two), no FW, and using a single detachment from the DG codex.

Here's the list...
DP/wings, Smite/Miasma, Sup plate, Talons, R.Resilience
Lord/Stays by heavies
PMs 3 Plasma, 2 Flails, Plague Sword on Champ
PMs 3 Plasma, 2 Flails, Plague Sword on Champ
11 Poxwalkers
2 Foetid Drones w/Spitters
3 Haulers
Rhino w/Combi Bolter and Combi Plas
Foul Blightspawn
2 Crawlers E.Cannons, Slugger
Predator 4x Lacannons

Thanks for any insight.

A list is tournament level when it can compete effectively at tournaments.

While I can't speak to what you are being told about your army, Death Guard lists similar to this often pop up in tournaments. But they need optimization to become competitive, this doesn't strike me as one that would go undefeated over several rounds.

I have a Black Legion gunline list that is hard to beat, it's Abaddon and a bunch of units with lascannons. I am under no illusions how it would perform in a tournament, but it does quickly flatten most opponents. I would describe it as "tough" but not truly competitive.

Your list is something like that. A bunch of units that are very hard to kill and do moderate mid-range damage. You would have a hard time against most Imperial Knight, Eldar, and Tau lists, which have the tools to dismantle an army like this.

I'd get out of the mindset of "tournament" lists and instead just see it for what it is, a well made army list that works well against opponents you regularly face.


This isn't down to the list alone but the players as well. It could be that you are a better player and builder of lists and that your opponent isn't as good. Thus they cannot find or see ways to counter your army with their own. Thus making them think that your army has some kind of uber-cheat-spam-powerplay-net list element (all those things are basically ways of saying "better than mine").

So even if you weakened your list you might find that your opponent still loses because they are not as good as you at playing the game (not always the case, its possible to be good at list building and bad at playing, and vis versa).


In general I'd say vary your list; change things up to make things more entertaining for you both; in casual games the challenge is often more fun than the actual win so if you're always winning change something to increase the risk.

The other aspect is to help your opponent; teach them better list building, tactics, army control etc...

It looks like a fine list, DG is just a bit better than many other factions imo (unless spamming specific op units). You've got buffs and incredable spells on hard hitting infantry, lots of armored targets, and the firepower to kill off enemy tanks. Plus 5++/5+++ on most things is going to stop counters from being effective. You don't seem up be doing anything nasty other than praising Nurgle.

Like you implied, competitive lists to me are ones where an imbalance is exploited heavily. Taking 9 obliterators pre-faq or dark reapers. Preventing counter play too, like heavily skewed lists might get up there. Sometimes I fear my tau battalion is there due to longstrike and 3 ionheads but got stomped at local tournament, and scraped by at friendly tourney.

When your entire army was rerolling every hit and wounds. XD but no, really. 2hen an army is basically easy mode eith 0 skill and will dominate most armies turn 1 i find it's tournament level (boring army basically). Can't tell you how angry and bored i was when last year when we just got our codex and i did marines vs ultramarines and the dude used gullfaceman with some stupid system where he sat on the other end of the feild, rerolled everything and killed 1300pts lf my 1500pts list in 1 turn.

Well, it's certainly a strong list, though the poxwalkers seem out of place and Haulers are quite an investment for tournament lists. I know that list would give the players in my casual meta something to think about, as they usually struggle to kill even a single Blight drone, let alone 2 + 2Crawlers + 3 Haulers + 1prince...

Gundor2 wrote:
Is it when your opponent has problems winning against it? Is because of certain units being fielded? Spamming good units?

I've have a all comers list that I use and have been pretty successful with it. But now I have heard that it's a tournament list. I like to play "Friendly" games. The list doesn't have spammed units(no more than two), no FW, and using a single detachment from the DG codex.

Here's the list...
DP/wings, Smite/Miasma, Sup plate, Talons, R.Resilience
Lord/Stays by heavies
PMs 3 Plasma, 2 Flails, Plague Sword on Champ
PMs 3 Plasma, 2 Flails, Plague Sword on Champ
11 Poxwalkers
2 Foetid Drones w/Spitters
3 Haulers
Rhino w/Combi Bolter and Combi Plas
Foul Blightspawn
2 Crawlers E.Cannons, Slugger
Predator 4x Lacannons

Thanks for any insight.

I wouldn't say this is a tourney-level list. For one, you don't really have a lot of ways to hold objectives. Remember, Poxwalkers can't grow beyond their starting size any longer, only regenerate their lost models. What your list does have is hard hitting power, but even then, it's not that strong compared to many other things. I would imagine that a "standard" Astra Militarum army gives you a lot of problems, and a Tyranid Genestealer Swarm army is pretty scary (and neither of these other things described are necessarily tourney-powered either).

However, at the end of the day, your local meta is what's important in determine power level. Relative to those around you, this may be the "nuts" list, and other people may not have the collection or the purchasing power to change their collection, or the knowledge base on how to play/build an army to take you on. An enemy army with lots of basic infantry is going to give you real problems, since you just don't have much of a way of dealing with lots of models (generally, your army is better tasked at taking out a few big and strong models), so maybe suggest to an opponent that they try swarming the objectives with models, rather than focus on killing you. Also, if it's their play style, offer to army-swap for a game. See how it is to fight against your own army.

Let me put it like this, 40K, or any miniature game for that matter, has various levels of competition. For instance in the United States (where OP's flag indicates), a casual pick up game may have very low competition, a local tournament at a game store a higher level of competition, a State wide GT a higher level, and a Nation wide or higher tournament higher still.

Look at it this way. lets take tennis. Assume I played varsity in high school, but that was really the highest level I reached. I could go to a local sports club, and get crushed by one of the club pros. That Club pro is a very good player, and can beat the majority of people he comes across. But nobody will pretend that that local club pro can hold is own at Wimbleton or other top level events.

40K is the same. You may have a list that is far to good for your local community, but not quite good enough to win a GT. You are that tennis pro. Generally the impetus is on the better player to tone down if they are on a higher level than their playing field, because a game like 40K needs to be engaging for both players. You'll find that like any community, the longer it stays around, the more varied it gets, and the more powerful lists start developing. You can always adjust back up to where you were, or even more optimized as time goes on.

Thanks all for the replies.

 akaean wrote:
Let me put it like this, 40K, or any miniature game for that matter, has various levels of competition. For instance in the United States (where OP's flag indicates), a casual pick up game may have very low competition, a local tournament at a game store a higher level of competition, a State wide GT a higher level, and a Nation wide or higher tournament higher still.

Ok, what does that actually mean. How does a low competition nurgle list look like? It is made out DG termintors models, no PB, no pox walkers, no DP, no las prds and no crawlers?

Generally the impetus is on the better player to tone down if they are on a higher level than their playing field

I don't know I have seen the charity event where male played vs female players, and the man were droping aces with no mercy in all matchs. Serena, who is like a tier stronger then any tenis player right now, had her racket blown out of her hands multiple times.