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Dragon Stormcast would be the dopest thing ever, and since they are reptiles the same models could be used as both males and females.

How can the whole range be DONE...when the whole range is still being released?......

I don't really mind the problem, heck I'm fine with people that put female heads on the original Stormcast bodies. Bulky armor that hides your form is sensible and it was back then we had some lore tidbits of mixed gender chambers or even fully women chambers ready to fight for Sigmar and people didn't have a problem envisaging women behind the armor then.

A good example of this is the ironknuckles from Zelda.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC6OsIAbn4g3pBl1LGRa9MPtfFrhODdgcd1kuo5TOaRrKT388zmQ

http://i.imgur.com/lJ7Rs.jpg

That said, certainly wouldn't mind upgrade kits to help people asking for it all the same.

ValentineGames wrote:
How can the whole range be DONE...when the whole range is still being released?......

Yeah if they do another chamber or new units this will likely carry over. I mean Iam honestly not sure what else they could get at this point...

But a lot of the range as it stands including bread and butter troops and must have units like Stardrakes don’t. I haven’t seen the sprue for a Stardrake but if it’s like Allarielle or Morathi then the rider probably isn’t a separate sprue. I’d be very surprised for them to redo liberators and retributors for example.

I just want to say that I understood what the OP meant just fine and did not for a moment think he was objecting to the existence of female SCE models or that he was being sexist.

I also agree that GW should have included the same gender balance in their SCE models from the start as the new Sacrosanct Chamber range has. But, hey, baby steps...

This honestly seems like a troll topic.

I mean I don't quite get the issue. Im sure happy there are female models mixed in now, but their production of stuff is 3 years out. That's what they stated in a interview GW did on adding more females to warhammer

I guess I understand they cant just snap their fingers and make it happen. If you go back 3 years. Sigmar is a total bucket of garbage. So I totally see them hedgeing their bets and just throwing out a bunch of male figures. now that's they saw it was vastly improving with the GHB they are shifting to mixing genders in the models.

I don't care as I bought 100s of 28mm scale female heads and did full head swaps on all my old stormcast (as they are reborn Sisters of sigmar ) It also looks correct as body sizes different and boob plate isn't a real thing that's practical.

Also incase it matters to the comment, the star drake rider is separate so I guess green stuff boobs if youd like?

str00dles1 wrote:
This honestly seems like a troll topic.

I mean I don't quite get the issue. Im sure happy there are female models mixed in now, but their production of stuff is 3 years out. That's what they stated in a interview GW did on adding more females to warhammer

I guess I understand they cant just snap their fingers and make it happen. If you go back 3 years. Sigmar is a total bucket of garbage. So I totally see them hedgeing their bets and just throwing out a bunch of male figures. now that's they saw it was vastly improving with the GHB they are shifting to mixing genders in the models.

I don't care as I bought 100s of 28mm scale female heads and did full head swaps on all my old stormcast (as they are reborn Sisters of sigmar ) It also looks correct as body sizes different and boob plate isn't a real thing that's practical.

Also incase it matters to the comment, the star drake rider is separate so I guess green stuff boobs if youd like?

The body proportions are different even if you ignore the chest plate. They could have had flat plate armour and I wouldn’t have minded. I like the femcast because it’s a romanticised (cool) notion to have an army of 9 foot warrior women like the Valkyrie of Norse Sagas. But that’s what GW tells me they look like so green stuff and a head swap won’t do for me.

With regards to Stormcast from other races. There is a member of the Anvils of the Heldenhammer Sacrosanct chamber in the Soul wars novel, who is hinted to have come from non human(probably elven) stock before his reforging. So maybe souls from other races are used but get reborn into a human looking Stormcast body?

GoatboyBeta wrote:
With regards to Stormcast from other races. There is a member of the Anvils of the Heldenhammer Sacrosanct chamber in the Soul wars novel, who is hinted to have come from non human(probably elven) stock before his reforging. So maybe souls from other races are used but get reborn into a human looking Stormcast body?

I remember some early fluff referred to the Stormcast as being former ‘mortals’. Not humans, mortals. Which to me suggested anyone. Thing is though, I also got the impression that you needed to ask for Sigmar’s help to get his attention to become a Stormcast in the first place. Can’t picture an aelf or orruk doing that.

Also, I love how ‘inclusive’ the Stormcast are. Men and women of all races fighting together in the same units. Diversity ho!

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Yeah if they do another chamber or new units this will likely carry over.

Sigmar can't just solve all of his problems by opening new chambers...

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Yeah if they do another chamber or new units this will likely carry over.

Sigmar can't just solve all of his problems by opening new chambers...

Nagash is pissed I took a bunch of souls to make Stormcast. I better open a new chamber of anti-undead Stormcast and take a bunch more souls to make them.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Yeah if they do another chamber or new units this will likely carry over.

Sigmar can't just solve all of his problems by opening new chambers...

The hell he cant!!

As per the latest battle tome there are still the Ruination, Covenant and Logister chambers to go.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Yeah if they do another chamber or new units this will likely carry over.

Sigmar can't just solve all of his problems by opening new chambers...

The hell he cant!!

As per the latest battle tome there are still the Ruination, Covenant and Logister chambers to go.

What? :O

I think one might be all the Stormcast who have devolved into golems or lightening elementals. Honestly I don’t know how the Hysh faction is meant to be Angels of Order when you already have Stormcast.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I think it’s a great idea but the issue is that they’ve already done the entire Stormcast range. You only have to look at the front cover with a female liberator to understand that they don’t make models for them. I don’t think it’s something that could be solved with an extra sprue or two. Plus you have expensive kits like the Stardrake which probably have the riders model on the main spruce and can’t easily be changed.

They would pretty much have to either redo all those brand new kits or do female only liberators and retributors for example. Which they can’t really do because of the size of the Stormcast range.

TBH I had assumed that they would make a new chamber that was exclusively female. Instead they have one that is mixed, have stated the others are mixed but in practice they aren’t. It seems bizarre to have had such a late change of direction that really should have been planned in advance of the whole range.

Heroes is a little less of a problem and I would not be surprised if they added something like a female Lord Celestant on foot.

Plus, since they are going with mixed units it isn’t practical to collect an all female army of Stormcast even if you focused on the Sacrosanct.

Also, this creates the possibility that they might actually update the range. If they did then I would tempted to hold fire buying, for example, a Stardrake if I thought they might throw in an alternate rider. So it does create problems for me with looking at future purchases.

I do not know what you are on about.

For those who play Shadespire they snuck a female stormcast in there. She looks awsome.

Well that's basically what he wants, a whole set of those female Liberators so he can make an army like how the artwork shows the current female stormcast rather than what people did before and just put female heads on their standard bodies with the bulky armor hiding their form.

Which they probably will in the future along with Stormcasts more attuned to the realms they've been guarding compared to the original shiny Azyr knights straight from Azyrheim.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
With regards to Stormcast from other races. There is a member of the Anvils of the Heldenhammer Sacrosanct chamber in the Soul wars novel, who is hinted to have come from non human(probably elven) stock before his reforging. So maybe souls from other races are used but get reborn into a human looking Stormcast body?

I remember some early fluff referred to the Stormcast as being former ‘mortals’. Not humans, mortals. Which to me suggested anyone. Thing is though, I also got the impression that you needed to ask for Sigmar’s help to get his attention to become a Stormcast in the first place. Can’t picture an aelf or orruk doing that.

Also, I love how ‘inclusive’ the Stormcast are. Men and women of all races fighting together in the same units. Diversity ho!

Well certainly not an Orruk but the Order races worshipped multiple gods from the pantheon and likely called on any of them when they were backed into a corner with a towering chaos daemon about to obliterate them.

From there it's Sigmar having to remake their bodies with a piece of his own power which is the power of the god of humanity so they can only come out of the process as humans.

What? :O 

I think one might be all the Stormcast who have devolved into golems or lightening elementals. Honestly I don’t know how the Hysh faction is meant to be Angels of Order when you already have Stormcast. 

That'd have to be the Covenant then. Ruination is likely the rest of his engineers and Logister was formed when the Free cities grew and Sigmar needed better organization for both his expanding civilizations and how he transported his armies with magic. So they'll be scroll laden armored scholars that make armies more mobile.

Though I'm not sure if a chamber of golems would be viable. That's a terrifying fate for his Stormcast as it means they lost all humanity and having them grouped together instead of decommissioned into the afterlife so they can be at peace would be a morale downer.

Always could be of course but I think golems will be left to army conversions and glowy eye paint-jobs.

As for light aelves, we'll have to see. Stormcast might be the bulky paladin angels, Seraphon the mysterious eldritch angels/daemons and light aelves going along with the Greek feel of the DoK & Deepkin and be more like tricky Olympian heavenly spirits ala Hermes.

 Niiai wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I think it’s a great idea but the issue is that they’ve already done the entire Stormcast range. You only have to look at the front cover with a female liberator to understand that they don’t make models for them. I don’t think it’s something that could be solved with an extra sprue or two. Plus you have expensive kits like the Stardrake which probably have the riders model on the main spruce and can’t easily be changed.

They would pretty much have to either redo all those brand new kits or do female only liberators and retributors for example. Which they can’t really do because of the size of the Stormcast range.

TBH I had assumed that they would make a new chamber that was exclusively female. Instead they have one that is mixed, have stated the others are mixed but in practice they aren’t. It seems bizarre to have had such a late change of direction that really should have been planned in advance of the whole range.

Heroes is a little less of a problem and I would not be surprised if they added something like a female Lord Celestant on foot.

Plus, since they are going with mixed units it isn’t practical to collect an all female army of Stormcast even if you focused on the Sacrosanct.

Also, this creates the possibility that they might actually update the range. If they did then I would tempted to hold fire buying, for example, a Stardrake if I thought they might throw in an alternate rider. So it does create problems for me with looking at future purchases.

I do not know what you are on about.

For those who play Shadespire they snuck a female stormcast in there. She looks awsome.

Right, what is unclear in the post? I will go and edit it again if need be. But honestly I do not get how people aren’t getting the basic premise of what Iam saying. GW has made the entire Stormcast range and then had a change of direction by adding femcast. I then list why they can’t redo the range, might be able to add female heroes. They done goofed. Because you’ve had a neat idea but you can’t go back and redo all the kits. I already had to change the title because people assumed I was criticising the idea of adding female Stormcasts and if you don’t think “It’s a great idea” is clear enough then there’s no saving you.

You spoke of gender, should've expected the salt.

But yeah, like I mentioned they'll probably update the original Warrior chambers down the line with more stuff like mixed genders and add-ons for if you want realm-specific Stormcasts like monster skull & pelt-covered armor for knights stationed at Ghur cities or Hammerhal units with a mix of leaf and fire markings on their armor and shields. The standard Liberators might even get a bonus with more celestial baroque workings so they stand out with the others.

I do love myself a good gakshow.
Totalwar1402, leave while you can.

I mean... even IF the idea that they've made "too many kits so far" to start adding female bits made any sense, they same could've been argued with the IG lines when they wanted to add genestealer cult options for the IG models.

"There are too many IG kits to make genestealer cult options for all of them"

They can just release a head and chest upgrade sprue. I don't think the central concern in your post makes much sense to begin with, but even then, the solution would be an upgrade sprue.

EDIT: I reread some of your later comments OP, and I understand what you mean more, but I think the IG/GC comparison stands. what I hope they do moving forward is include female bits in the kits (or at least go for 50/50 generally), but an upgrade sprue might be the solution for those older kits.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

But honestly I do not get how people aren’t getting the basic premise of what Iam saying. GW has made the entire Stormcast range

No they haven't. They are still releasing the entire range.
WD has a bunch of new models not yet released.
Stop saying something that blatantly isn't true.

 Jpogfreak886 wrote:
I mean... even IF the idea that they've made "too many kits so far" to start adding female bits made any sense, they same could've been argued with the IG lines when they wanted to add genestealer cult options for the IG models.

"There are too many IG kits to make genestealer cult options for all of them"

They can just release a head and chest upgrade sprue. I don't think the central concern in your post makes much sense to begin with, but even then, the solution would be an upgrade sprue.

EDIT: I reread some of your later comments OP, and I understand what you mean more, but I think the IG/GC comparison stands. what I hope they do moving forward is include female bits in the kits (or at least go for 50/50 generally), but an upgrade sprue might be the solution for those older kits.

This shows a drastic lack of understanding as to the difference between the female Stormcast models and the male ones.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 'refreshed' kit somewhere down the line with female models added in.

I think it's more likely to see a box of all-female Liberators that people can sprinkle into the armies they've already built.

On the subject of fluff: AoS in general (and Stormcast in particular) have this problem where people with only the barest understanding of the fluff will fill in the gaps with their own imagination, then complain about how awful the result is.

Stormcast having flesh and blood bodies with faces and everything, some memory of who they were before, and a degree of personal fallibility are all established in the very first tie-in book, and yet you still have people parroting this 'Rubric Marines' nonsense. That's not lore-creep.

While I can't remember if the exact phrase 'men and women' was ever used to describe them in those books, we did have inklings of female stormcast in the lore long before any models showed up- and literally nothing prior said they didn't exist. That might be lore-creep, but only because it seemed like, at least initially, you could argue anyone under that big bulky armour was actually Joan of Arc-ing it.

(Which... Honestly was my preferred explanation.)

I actually agree with OP's main point about the model range not supporting the lore or art, but that's not exactly new for GW; when was the last time you saw a female guardsman? At the very least, by way of shadespire there's at least one female liberator model out there.

Are they bigger than normal humans? I know the models are.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
when was the last time you saw a female guardsman?

Commissar.
Catachan grenade launcher.
2 last chances.
Gaunts ghost blister pack.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Are they bigger than normal humans? I know the models are.

Yeah they are noted in several of the novels as being bigger than most baseline humans.

ValentineGames wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:
when was the last time you saw a female guardsman?

Commissar.
Catachan grenade launcher.
2 last chances.
Gaunts ghost blister pack.

All out of print.

But you are technically correct. The best kind of correct.

I don't know. I think it makes sense that the sacrosanct chamber, being sort of part mystic/spiritual guide and part midwife for reborn souls, would have more females than other chambers.

Also, the stormcast obviously have bodies, but are they the same bodies they had as mortals? Of course they are not. They can't possibly be. So is there any reason to believe that they bear any resemblance to their mortal self?

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I don't know. I think it makes sense that the sacrosanct chamber, being sort of part mystic/spiritual guide and part midwife for reborn souls, would have more females than other chambers.

Also, the stormcast obviously have bodies, but are they the same bodies they had as mortals? Of course they are not. They can't possibly be. So is there any reason to believe that they bear any resemblance to their mortal self?

Good point. Would the peasant civilian look the same if they were reformed? Maybe it’s like a Steve Rodgers thing. You look like your former self but...harder. Like you had some plastic surgery done and really hit the gym hard.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I don't know. I think it makes sense that the sacrosanct chamber, being sort of part mystic/spiritual guide and part midwife for reborn souls, would have more females than other chambers.

Also, the stormcast obviously have bodies, but are they the same bodies they had as mortals? Of course they are not. They can't possibly be. So is there any reason to believe that they bear any resemblance to their mortal self?

They're the same but not, if that makes sense.

It's the difference between, as FWC puts it, Steve Rogers the weenie who can't get into the army and Steve Rogers Captain America. The reforging process starts as a spiritual part and then they're effectively given their bodies back, raised anew.