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I always play units that are really bad or not really worth taking, just because I love them so much, what's your gak list?

Khorne Bezerkers - always played them even throughout the years when they were terrible.

Howling Banshees - always played them

Celestians - still bad and I play them

Warbikers, still playing them even though 8th has bent them over.

Raveners - always played them.

Well, I've had/played WE for something like 13 years. I skipped most of 5th until 8th.

Although I do really enjoy my land raider.

I suppose it would depend entirely on your definition of "bad". This is Dakka, so if a unit is 0.78% less effective at killing something, it's often "complete and unmitigated crap and the rules designers should be shot!".

If you mean the handful of untis which are genuinely bad (i.e. the rules developers just got it terribly wrong)...hmmm..I'm not sure if I have anything I simply wouldn't ever field. I guess for Eldar I would say Warlocks. They're absurdly priced (they were originally given a price drop to make them appropriate...then bumped straight back up again...). While they are useful in the army, their statline, cost, and general performance is pretty laughable.

The Wraithknight is a complete and utter turd -but I don't own it. Chaos Terminators are really quite bad (as are most terminators) but I run them. Our group realized terminators were so bad we've house ruled a few changes to them so they actually see the table top.

 Elbows wrote:
I suppose it would depend entirely on your definition of "bad". This is Dakka, so if a unit is 0.78% less effective at killing something, it's often "complete and unmitigated crap and the rules designers should be shot!".

If you mean the handful of untis which are genuinely bad (i.e. the rules developers just got it terribly wrong)...hmmm..I'm not sure if I have anything I simply wouldn't ever field. I guess for Eldar I would say Warlocks. They're absurdly priced (they were originally given a price drop to make them appropriate...then bumped straight back up again...). While they are useful in the army, their statline, cost, and general performance is pretty laughable.

The Wraithknight is a complete and utter turd -but I don't own it. Chaos Terminators are really quite bad (as are most terminators) but I run them. Our group realized terminators were so bad we've house ruled a few changes to them so they actually see the table top.

I said really bad or just not worth taking. So even units that are just meh that you continue to field.

Most of my GK army

Riggs wrote:
Most of my GK army

Lol me too. I was going to name one unit but they are all equally bad this edition lol

Even The GMNDK are really underwhelming when you compare them to other similar costed options . Toughness 6 is such garbage

Riggs wrote:
Most of my GK army

Yup! I can do 3 custodes shield captains on bikes for less than 2 gmdk.

Please email 40kfaq@gwplc.com. make noise

Any marine troop.

Plague Marines. I love them so much, but they are such garbage on the tabletop.

Veterans in chimera with melta, does that count ?

Tomb Stalker. It's not abysmal, but it's not great. The model deserves better rules.

Tactical marines.

Scouts aren’t as bad, but I still wish I had some cheap chaff unit like “chapter serfs” or something so I wouldn’t feel like the edition is purposefully attempting to get me to buy a guard battalion.

 niv-mizzet wrote:
Tactical marines.

Scouts aren’t as bad, but I still wish I had some cheap chaff unit like “chapter serfs” or something so I wouldn’t feel like the edition is purposefully attempting to get me to buy a guard battalion.

I bet you wish you had some sort of cultist type unit like us, come to the spiky side of the warp.


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 Smotejob wrote:

Riggs wrote:
Most of my GK army

Yup! I can do 3 custodes shield captains on bikes for less than 2 gmdk.

Please email 40kfaq@gwplc.com. make noise

Yeah 3 shield captains on bikes is like an army unto itself with hurricane bolters.


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 max_power wrote:
Plague Marines. I love them so much, but they are such garbage on the tabletop.

Plague marines, what are you talking about, their shooting is meh but they are tough as nails, so hard to kill, I love my plague marines. Sit them on an objective and they ain't going nowhere.

 Smotejob wrote:

Riggs wrote:
Most of my GK army

Yup! I can do 3 custodes shield captains on bikes for less than 2 gmdk.

Please email 40kfaq@gwplc.com. make noise

Careful about how you do that, or they won't fix GMNDKs. They'll just hike the cost of the golden jet captains instead.

For me, it's probably Deathwing, although I haven't even run them in casual play in a while. I love Termies thematically, even though they are crap in game. For my Chaos stuff, I'd say Possessed, although they aren't terrible. For Tau, it's Crisis suits and Breachers, although Breachers aren't terrible. Crisis suits, on the other hand, are hot crap at their current points cost and statline.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 Smotejob wrote:

Riggs wrote:
Most of my GK army

Yup! I can do 3 custodes shield captains on bikes for less than 2 gmdk.

Please email 40kfaq@gwplc.com. make noise

Careful about how you do that, or they won't fix GMNDKs. They'll just hike the cost of the golden jet captains instead.

For me, it's probably Deathwing, although I haven't even run them in casual play in a while. I love Termies thematically, even though they are crap in game. For my Chaos stuff, I'd say Possessed, although they aren't terrible. For Tau, it's Crisis suits and Breachers, although Breachers aren't terrible. Crisis suits, on the other hand, are hot crap at their current points cost and statline.

Terminators are great, they are only the few standard units that get 2 wounds, so important in this edition. I use my Wolf Guard a lot.

Mega Nobz make me sad. Any Ork character that can wear Mega Armor, in Mega Armor, also make me sad. Killa Kans, Deff Dreads, and Gorkanauts. I run a Dread Mob list with all of those, and a Big Mek in Mega Armor.

There are some good things in the Ork index besides boyz and KMK, but not too many.

I'd use Tyberos all the time later edition just because I could. Weapon Mastery was sooooo stupid with his weapons hahaha

 beerbeard wrote:
Mega Nobz make me sad. Any Ork character that can wear Mega Armor, in Mega Armor, also make me sad. Killa Kans, Deff Dreads, and Gorkanauts. I run a Dread Mob list with all of those, and a Big Mek in Mega Armor.

There are some good things in the Ork index besides boyz and KMK, but not too many.

I hear ya.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 Smotejob wrote:

Riggs wrote:
Most of my GK army

Yup! I can do 3 custodes shield captains on bikes for less than 2 gmdk.

Please email 40kfaq@gwplc.com. make noise

Careful about how you do that, or they won't fix GMNDKs. They'll just hike the cost of the golden jet captains instead.

For me, it's probably Deathwing, although I haven't even run them in casual play in a while. I love Termies thematically, even though they are crap in game. For my Chaos stuff, I'd say Possessed, although they aren't terrible. For Tau, it's Crisis suits and Breachers, although Breachers aren't terrible. Crisis suits, on the other hand, are hot crap at their current points cost and statline.

I'd bet good money sadly that bike captains are going to be pointed insanely high come CA 2018 :(

 max_power wrote:
Plague Marines. I love them so much, but they are such garbage on the tabletop.

Plague marines are not half bad as min squads with 2 plague launchers marching alongside a chaos lord/dp with a re-roll to-wound aura for plague weapons. Not like it's sweeping tourneys but it's decent. Definitely not garbage.

When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.

Am I the whinner?

 Rismonite wrote:
When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.

Am I the whinner?

Ork boys are great, cheap and tonnes of them, try playing an elite army and you'll come to appreciate them.

In my =][= / Deathwatch army:
Inquisitorial Acolytes

In my Night Lords army:
Land Raider
Regular Chaos Marines

In my Angels of Silence (loyalist SM) army:
Centurion Devastators (yes, I actually like the models!)
10-man Tactical Squads

Despite my burning hatred for CAAC-types, I'm actually a pretty casual/fluffy player myself. As long as a list is functional, I'll happily include a few 'non-competitive' units. I do wish GW would discover some game design competence and make the units that should form the core of their faction in the fluff actually worth a damn on the tabletop.

 Rismonite wrote:
When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.

Am I the whinner?

I suspect when he says "have to" what the OP more meant was "Units you force yourself to take anyway because you like them" or something

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:
When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.

Am I the whinner?

Ork boys are great, cheap and tonnes of them, try playing an elite army and you'll come to appreciate them.

Like
2x Daemon Princes
Magnus
Mortarian
Kytan
and 3x 10 pink horrors?

Like that kind of elite? Yeah. Must be a real bummer....


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All that said...Dorkanauts, Kans, D-Dreads immediately spring to mind.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:
When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.

Am I the whinner?

I suspect when he says "have to" what the OP more meant was "Units you force yourself to take anyway because you like them" or something

Yup.


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 doktor_g wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:
When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.

Am I the whinner?

Ork boys are great, cheap and tonnes of them, try playing an elite army and you'll come to appreciate them.

Like
2x Daemon Princes
Magnus
Mortarian
Kytan
and 3x 10 pink horrors?

Like that kind of elite? Yeah. Must be a real bummer....


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All that said...Dorkanauts, Kans, D-Dreads immediately spring to mind.

That isn't an elite army, I mean elite like in grey knights, custodes harlequins etc. armies with little choice to pick from and low model count.

Durkihari hellions...... love the look but oh my goodness are they bad on the table.

Skullhammer wrote:
Durkihari hellions...... love the look but oh my goodness are they bad on the table.

They do look awesome, I've really got to start a DE army some day. I think I'll actually buy the Lelith Hesperax model before GW ruin the update, I would also do that with the Archon but they already ruined it with by losing the helmet and giving him the count chocula folded arms pose.

Militia Squdas:
Priced as a guardsmen, profile of a conscript armored with a pyjama and the possibility of a ld of 3.

CSM: well the regular CSM and the Terminators.
I just like the reaper autocannon to much.