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Some have said to me that it would make it easier to fix a black area if i also apply a base, but then i think why cant i just use the black primer to fix black areas?

Another reason is i think some one said it helps with shading or some thing, but i don't see how that would work unless i applied the base in a way where it acts like a shade rather then covering the whole model in that base??, also i am sure that with most black legion instead of shading the black most people just highlight the black instead of the washing to create the shade( and to wash it i would have to not apply the base every where like i did with the primer any way?).

And other reasons may be like " it gives even more protection" or some thing like that, but i dont see that as being necessary at all since im going to varnish it when finished any way.

Any way i dont know any thing at all so i want to see what you guys say, i feel alot of people have different opinions on this so id like to hear them so i can make a decision.

Thank you.


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Basicly, Why cant i just keep using the black primer for black, and not use the black base?.

You can. Simple as that.

Indeed. The reasons why it might not be advisable to were already explained to you.

Have a read of this helpful getting started guide;
https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dakka_Modeling_FAQ:_Basic_Painting_and_Preparation

 ingtaer wrote:
Indeed. The reasons why it might not be advisable to were already explained to you.

Have a read of this helpful getting started guide;
https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dakka_Modeling_FAQ:_Basic_Painting_and_Preparation

I know i just wanted to get more opinions just to double check n stuff , ok thanks ill read that guide mate. Appreciate it.






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 Elbows wrote:
You can. Simple as that.

Cheers mate.

GW's Chaos Black spray has a different finish than Abaddon Black


So if you're using a spray primer and you need to neaten up a spot, there's a good chance the finishes won't match.

Yeah why cant i just use chaos black paint or does it not exist? Or mabey i can make a puddle of paint to use with a brush if i spray heaps in to a little bottle cap or some thing?


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there has to be chaos black non spray version....???

Chaos Black is a primer and even when there was a pot version available it still had a different finish.

You could decant chaos black and use it with a brush if you needed to do touchups, but it would still have a different finish.

As others have said, the brush paint will NEVER match the spray. Even air-brush vs hairy-brush painting the same exact paint may not match. That said using the appropriate spray means you can get away with a single thin coat of brush paint that you can then match when doing touch-ups.


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kb_lock wrote:
You could decant chaos black and use it with a brush if you needed to do touchups, but it would still have a different finish.

The issue with this is you’re now dealing with (effectively) an enamel. Unless you already use enamels it just adds a whole new mess to deal with. Better to use a brush paint reeealy close to the spray instead. Luckily the OP is dealing with black so it’s an easy one to match. I have actually done this myself in the past when I was still willing to work with enamels but spray and a coat of nominally matching brush paint is less of a P.I.T.A.

What about people that only use a spray, how do they fix up little parts with out a brush?

The primer can have a slightly different finish to the pot, so if you have to go back and correct a mistake made with another colour, the redone black area might be slightly different, perhaps a little more glossy.

This could be largely overcome by doing a slapdash thinned down coat of brush on black after you spray, but for many people that effort won't be noticeable nor worth it.

Skipping the basecoat is perilous. Mismatches between the various blacks are common, it's hard for 2 paints to come out looking the same.

My recent models are all undercoated with Stylynrez Black then basecoated with Abaddon Black. Occasionally, I miss a patch, which usually turns out to be noticeable.

Chaos Black is very dark in comparison with most other blacks. I would put the time in for a basecoat over the undercoat just to avoid problems.

Chaos Black spray vs Abaddon Black basecoat is actually demonstrated perfectly in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ0q_95dz-c

You can see when he starts to apply the Abaddon Black over the Chaos Black spray that the finishes are very noticable.

 Elbows wrote:
You can. Simple as that.

Agreed.

Not trying to hijack, But whats imperial primer?

Rybrook wrote:
Not trying to hijack, But whats imperial primer?

It's a paint-on primer that GW put into the little painting 'starter' sets. The idea was that it was an item that wouldn't require them to do a whole shedload of warnings+weirdness like they would with a spray can.