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I wonder who the new first officer will be. They're kind of short on characters. Tilly's an Ensign, Stamets is needed for the jump drive and that leaves who?

The abrasive engineer woman? The other black guy? Someone else whose name I can't remember? Not much of a bench ATM.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder who the new first officer will be. They're kind of short on characters. Tilly's an Ensign, Stamets is needed for the jump drive and that leaves who?

The abrasive engineer woman? The other black guy? Someone else whose name I can't remember? Not much of a bench ATM.

Lieutenant Nilsson (the blond non-cyborg) seems to be left in-charge most often - unless they transfer someone from HQ.

beast_gts wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder who the new first officer will be. They're kind of short on characters. Tilly's an Ensign, Stamets is needed for the jump drive and that leaves who?

The abrasive engineer woman? The other black guy? Someone else whose name I can't remember? Not much of a bench ATM.

Lieutenant Nilsson (the blond non-cyborg) seems to be left in-charge most often - unless they transfer someone from HQ.

Wow, I would not be able to pick her out of a line up.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Nilsson

Or it’ll be another person from Starfleet.

I feel like introducing a new character from the federation as XO would be a good move, allowing exposition when needed and drama/tension by being a Spock/Data "regulations" type.

I've got to admit, I've only learned most characters names this season, since the focus has moved away from Burnham this month.

For Georgieu, it kind of looks like to me that with the dialogue about the Mirror Universe moving away from theirs, that she might be almost merging with her main universe self.

I'm irked by the idea that the Discovery crew is at all useful 1000 years in the future. I try to imagine the most advanced, bested ocean crew from the year 1020 being able to do anything in 2020. Of course maybe technology stagnated/plateaued so it's more like a crew from 20AD ending up in 1020AD. Which now that I think about it would be a cool story.

I just hope they can resist the urge to reveal that 32nd century Federation is eating babies or is actually the Terran Empire or whatever...

Hrm, no Klingons or Romulans so far.

Burham is really having trouble letting go of "it's all about ME!", isn't she? When Saru kicks her off the Number One spot, she has the nerve to ask if he's sure he's not making a mistake.

I can see her leaving Disco permanently. Not the show, the ship. Her actions are no longer consistent with remaining a Starfleet officer.

(All of this is a good thing)

Graphite wrote:Burham is really having trouble letting go of "it's all about ME!", isn't she? When Saru kicks her off the Number One spot, she has the nerve to ask if he's sure he's not making a mistake.

I may have misheard, but didn't she tell Saru that he was doing the right thing?

Compel wrote:
For Georgieu, it kind of looks like to me that with the dialogue about the Mirror Universe moving away from theirs, that she might be almost merging with her main universe self.

Ah that's an interesting idea, I wonder if you might be on to something there.

I have to say I love Georgieu, gets some really good lines and sequences and you're just waiting to see who she will kick the crap out of or vaporise next. Sure must be a fun character for Michelle Yeoh to play.

beast_gts wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder who the new first officer will be. They're kind of short on characters. Tilly's an Ensign, Stamets is needed for the jump drive and that leaves who?

The abrasive engineer woman? The other black guy? Someone else whose name I can't remember? Not much of a bench ATM.

Lieutenant Nilsson (the blond non-cyborg) seems to be left in-charge most often - unless they transfer someone from HQ.

OK now I know who she is, same actress as the cyborg but now a new role sans make up.

So she moves up my list of possibles, if they liked the actress enough to keep around after killing her they might want to give her a bigger role.

For 2 or 3 weeks, till Burnham is first officer again.

beast_gts wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder who the new first officer will be. They're kind of short on characters. Tilly's an Ensign, Stamets is needed for the jump drive and that leaves who?

The abrasive engineer woman? The other black guy? Someone else whose name I can't remember? Not much of a bench ATM.

Lieutenant Nilsson (the blond non-cyborg) seems to be left in-charge most often - unless they transfer someone from HQ.

She does seem to 3rd in command. Is she actually just the cyborg lady without the makeup?

I think you said this a few pages ago, Mad Doc, but third season seems to be the sweet spot for a lot of Trek. Just finished Season 3 of Enterprise and was really impressed with the kinds of stories they chose to tell. Perhaps Discovery is going in the same direction! I'm going to sit back a bit before committing, mostly because there's still plenty of pre-2009 Trek for me to get through, but I'm glad to hear that people seem to think it's turning around (minus the present lukewarm reviews of the latest episode).

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
She does seem to 3rd in command. Is she actually just the cyborg lady without the makeup?

Yes - Sara Mitich (although Hannah Cheesman also played Airiam the cyborg).

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm irked by the idea that the Discovery crew is at all useful 1000 years in the future. I try to imagine the most advanced, bested ocean crew from the year 1020 being able to do anything in 2020. Of course maybe technology stagnated/plateaued so it's more like a crew from 20AD ending up in 1020AD. Which now that I think about it would be a cool story.

I just hope they can resist the urge to reveal that 32nd century Federation is eating babies or is actually the Terran Empire or whatever...

Hrm, no Klingons or Romulans so far.

Well, if they're sailing a Viking longship across the Atlantic then you do want the 1000AD crew of Vikings. Not the crack crew of the current USS Enterprise.


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beast_gts wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
She does seem to 3rd in command. Is she actually just the cyborg lady without the makeup?

Yes - Sara Mitich (although Hannah Cheesman also played Airiam the cyborg).

Lucky for her, she gets killed off and still gets to keep her job but doesn't have to spend like 4 hours a day in makeup anymore.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm irked by the idea that the Discovery crew is at all useful 1000 years in the future. I try to imagine the most advanced, bested ocean crew from the year 1020 being able to do anything in 2020. Of course maybe technology stagnated/plateaued so it's more like a crew from 20AD ending up in 1020AD. Which now that I think about it would be a cool story.

This is bugging me as well - I'd expect a lot more tech advancement and possible human evolution than what's been seen so far. Perhaps if The Burn had been further back in time...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Hrm, no Klingons or Romulans so far.

But there was a Cardassian!

beast_gts wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm irked by the idea that the Discovery crew is at all useful 1000 years in the future. I try to imagine the most advanced, bested ocean crew from the year 1020 being able to do anything in 2020. Of course maybe technology stagnated/plateaued so it's more like a crew from 20AD ending up in 1020AD. Which now that I think about it would be a cool story.

This is bugging me as well - I'd expect a lot more tech advancement and possible human evolution than what's been seen so far. Perhaps if The Burn had been further back in time...

1000 years is nothing from an evolutionary standpoint. Remember that stuff like the Pyramids were ancient by the time that Rome was ruling over the Mediterranean. In all that time we just got a bit taller and that is due to nutritional advancements.

Been rewatching thru DS9. Just started season four where Sisko’s hair has finished it’s migration.

 AduroT wrote:
Been rewatching thru DS9. Just started season four where Sisko’s hair has finished it’s migration.

That's when it gets better...

 AduroT wrote:
Been rewatching thru DS9. Just started season four where Sisko’s hair has finished it’s migration.

I consider that to be the show's equivalent of Riker growing his beard. It gets really good from then on!

Yes, the less hair on men's heads and the more on their faces the better Trek gets.

I just became acquainted with the concept of their being "another" Riker.

Seems there's more than a few TNG episodes I haven't seen.

 chromedog wrote:
I just became acquainted with the concept of their being "another" Riker.

Seems there's more than a few TNG episodes I haven't seen.

Slipspace wrote:


Also, seems like Burnham got off way too lightly for what was essentially gross insubordination and dereliction of duty

story of her life

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm irked by the idea that the Discovery crew is at all useful 1000 years in the future. I try to imagine the most advanced, bested ocean crew from the year 1020 being able to do anything in 2020. Of course maybe technology stagnated/plateaued so it's more like a crew from 20AD ending up in 1020AD. Which now that I think about it would be a cool story.

This is bugging me as well - I'd expect a lot more tech advancement and possible human evolution than what's been seen so far. Perhaps if The Burn had been further back in time...

1000 years is nothing from an evolutionary standpoint. Remember that stuff like the Pyramids were ancient by the time that Rome was ruling over the Mediterranean. In all that time we just got a bit taller and that is due to nutritional advancements.

True. I'm not sure what I was expecting - they're not going to look cyberpunk or anything like that (and humans were basically the same in 3001: The Final Odyssey as well).

Star Trek has a long-established trope of human evolving into psychic supermen or being of pure energy or whatever. In addition to genetic tinkering as a science.

Heck compare people 200 years ago to today, nutrition, medicine, cosmetic procedures have made vast visible differences. In some countries it can even be seen in just 3 generations.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Star Trek has a long-established trope of human evolving into psychic supermen or being of pure energy or whatever. In addition to genetic tinkering as a science.

Heck compare people 200 years ago to today, nutrition, medicine, cosmetic procedures have made vast visible differences. In some countries it can even be seen in just 3 generations.

I have given up of Star Trek Worships Burnham but isn't this after a major "bad" event so its more like comparing people from modern day with thos in Fallout or Dark Ages Europe with the height of the Roman Empire?

We haven’t talked to them in over a century, only Michael Burnam specifically can help us reestablish contact. And of course implying credit to Michael for Spock being an awesome dude.

Also I wish I had given voice to my bet on the new first officer because I was right. I thought it was too dumb, but this is where we are.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Star Trek has a long-established trope of human evolving into psychic supermen or being of pure energy or whatever. In addition to genetic tinkering as a science.

Heck compare people 200 years ago to today, nutrition, medicine, cosmetic procedures have made vast visible differences. In some countries it can even be seen in just 3 generations.

Yet as inevitable globalisation continues, we’re seeing ever greater standardisation.

Few hundred years ago, depending on where you were, your mode of transport might be yer feets, a rickshaw, horse, elephant, camel etc. Now, it’s cars driven by internal combustion engines etc.

Whilst there’ll always be local variations, technology is standardising in how it actually works. That’s part and parcel of the world becoming smaller.

Put that on a Galactic scale, and I suspect much the same would be evident, given time.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Whilst there’ll always be local variations, technology is standardising in how it actually works. That’s part and parcel of the world becoming smaller.

Put that on a Galactic scale, and I suspect much the same would be evident, given time.

Which brings up a question that has long bugged me in the trek universe. . . So, sticking strictly with warp drive based cultures, I assume that the science is the same across the board. . . In engineering terms, wouldn't that ultimately lead to the possibility of putting say, the Defiant's warp reactor into a KDF Bird of Prey, and everything being hunky dory? As in. . . . Warp being warp, shouldn't anyone be able to use just about anyone else's hardware and still be able to successfully say, "engage"

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Which brings up a question that has long bugged me in the trek universe. . . So, sticking strictly with warp drive based cultures, I assume that the science is the same across the board. . . In engineering terms, wouldn't that ultimately lead to the possibility of putting say, the Defiant's warp reactor into a KDF Bird of Prey, and everything being hunky dory? As in. . . . Warp being warp, shouldn't anyone be able to use just about anyone else's hardware and still be able to successfully say, "engage"

Kind of? It depends on the other systems in the ship - technobabble like "EPS conduits" - you can drop some car engines into some different cars fine, but they won't go in others. Remember that Scotty (and the rest of them) could get a Bird of Prey running.

Sure, to a point...

However, it's worth keeping in mind that I can't play a British DVD on an American DVD player.

Or the various legends about 'Imperial Measurement designed device meets Metric designed device.'

That's not to say you COULDN'T have an episode where a bunch of people are stranded and cobble a ship together out of spare parts from two other ships. But it's not exactly 'plug and play' or easy to do as standard.

It's also worth mentioning that the whole point of the Defiant was them literally plugging a Romulan cloaking device into the ship and it working.

Ish.

Kinda.

Eventually.

Oh wait, we just lost power again.