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Makes it pretty clear WHICH warehouse they're clearing out, I suppose.

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Is it - which one? There's free US shipping, so it's here obviously, but I gave no idea beyond that

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Hmm,

I remember with the warroom 2 app release, and the somewhat fudged launch of mk3, I felt that elements of it were not 'polished', and for some reason, maybe one entirely in my own head, it felt to me, that it was pushed out the door asap, because the company needed an injection of cash, and was focused on the immediate short term, rather than the long term.

Like I said, I'm probably way off, but for some reason, that was ome of the thoughts floating around my head at the time.

Now, 'bonus time' - we need to clear the warehouse, here's a mystery box at 75% off. That same part of my brain is saying 'fire-sale'....

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Deadnight wrote:

Now, 'bonus time' - we need to clear the warehouse, here's a mystery box at 75% off. That same part of my brain is saying 'fire-sale'....


It does have a Palladium feel to it, doesn't it?
   
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Is it relevant to mention PP announced doing a L5R minicrate today?

 
   
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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Deadnight wrote:

Now, 'bonus time' - we need to clear the warehouse, here's a mystery box at 75% off. That same part of my brain is saying 'fire-sale'....


It does have a Palladium feel to it, doesn't it?


It's late, I'm tired, quick TLDR on Palladium and what they did, please?

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 Mangod wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Deadnight wrote:

Now, 'bonus time' - we need to clear the warehouse, here's a mystery box at 75% off. That same part of my brain is saying 'fire-sale'....


It does have a Palladium feel to it, doesn't it?


It's late, I'm tired, quick TLDR on Palladium and what they did, please?


Sorry, my last post was kinda vague and not really well thought out.

Palladium over the years held various "save our asses" sales where they sell off product in order to keep the doors open.

With the hellish state of WM/H and now the blind box sale PP is running it just reminded me of Palladium's antics.
   
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 Turnip Jedi wrote:

Whilst its too early for precise maths im assuming the 5% is more of a ballpark, and is a guesstimate of how a stat going up or down by 1 may change things, but in Cryx's case a model losing say 2 off its defensive stats and opponents forces picking up 2 on the offensive stats is quite the swing especially given how squishy they are


This is especially true in a game that runs on a 2d6 bell curve instead of a d20 linear probability.

If the average non-Cryx unit required a 10 or better to hit the average Cryx unit before, with their +2 to hit AND a -2 to the average Cryx unit's defense, they now need a 6 or better to hit. That's a change from 16.6% hit ratio to 60-something percent hit ratio. You're looking at Cryx being hit almost four times as often as they used to be.

Assuming they were balanced before, and they weren't rebalanced with the ability to tank hits, they most certainly are not balanced any longer.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm pretty happy with PP's restic when it costs me $2.50 per mini. I might go as high as 5 for Menoth or Convergence. Love their over the top style.


maybe i am a weirdo, but other than GW's LOTR (especially the finecast, which I love) I think PP's minis are much much better than GW's...for full disclosure, I may also be one of the 4 or 5 people on earth who liked the PPP for Confrontation.


I wouldn't say better than GW's, but I like how stylish and different many of PP's designs are (were?). I liked the Confrontation Ragnarok plastics, too, although I haven't taken them out of their tub in the closet in half a decade. And I also like Reaper Bones, and also Nolzur's Pre Primed minis, and also Mantic's plastics, and Star Trek Attack Wing, and also Defiance UAMC, and also old Warzone plastics...


Maybe I have no taste.


Damn, we pretty much have the same mini likes, though I play mine a lot still no plastic tub for my beloved Confrontation
   
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 Vulcan wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:

Whilst its too early for precise maths im assuming the 5% is more of a ballpark, and is a guesstimate of how a stat going up or down by 1 may change things, but in Cryx's case a model losing say 2 off its defensive stats and opponents forces picking up 2 on the offensive stats is quite the swing especially given how squishy they are


This is especially true in a game that runs on a 2d6 bell curve instead of a d20 linear probability.

If the average non-Cryx unit required a 10 or better to hit the average Cryx unit before, with their +2 to hit AND a -2 to the average Cryx unit's defense, they now need a 6 or better to hit. That's a change from 16.6% hit ratio to 60-something percent hit ratio. You're looking at Cryx being hit almost four times as often as they used to be.

Assuming they were balanced before, and they weren't rebalanced with the ability to tank hits, they most certainly are not balanced any longer.


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 Vulcan wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:

Whilst its too early for precise maths im assuming the 5% is more of a ballpark, and is a guesstimate of how a stat going up or down by 1 may change things, but in Cryx's case a model losing say 2 off its defensive stats and opponents forces picking up 2 on the offensive stats is quite the swing especially given how squishy they are


This is especially true in a game that runs on a 2d6 bell curve instead of a d20 linear probability.

If the average non-Cryx unit required a 10 or better to hit the average Cryx unit before, with their +2 to hit AND a -2 to the average Cryx unit's defense, they now need a 6 or better to hit. That's a change from 16.6% hit ratio to 60-something percent hit ratio. You're looking at Cryx being hit almost four times as often as they used to be.

Assuming they were balanced before, and they weren't rebalanced with the ability to tank hits, they most certainly are not balanced any longer.

This is what I was trying to say.
Thanks for pointing out.

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 wuestenfux wrote:
And the shipping is just gross. After the exchange rate, I'm paying around $140 with shipping. For random stuff? Easy pass.

Seems to be part of the business model atm.


Yeah.... I was interested in getting one for expanding my useful random RPG model collection.... Not that those prices, the fricking product is cheaper than the postage.

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Oh yeah, if you're abroad and taking shipping from the US - hold onto your butts.

For comparison, I shipped a small copy of my Old West game to some guys in the UK for review. $25-30 game, smallish box, maybe 10"x8"x4". Shipping cost? $22.

USPS is not subsidized like foreign countries (in fact they actually cover a large portion of the cost of other countries shipping to us - you're welcome!). So we do take it on the chin for international shipping.

Companies can occasionally do better with FedEx or UPS.
   
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I just want a 2nd class/SAL equivalent option. Something that is not going to rape my wallet for some fun models and extra TT utility.

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 Elbows wrote:
Oh yeah, if you're abroad and taking shipping from the US - hold onto your butts.

For comparison, I shipped a small copy of my Old West game to some guys in the UK for review. $25-30 game, smallish box, maybe 10"x8"x4". Shipping cost? $22.

USPS is not subsidized like foreign countries (in fact they actually cover a large portion of the cost of other countries shipping to us - you're welcome!). So we do take it on the chin for international shipping.

Companies can occasionally do better with FedEx or UPS.


It's like that everywhere. For me to send a single model to the US costs me $14.
The problem with using anything besides the postal service for international shipments is the 'brokerage fees' courier services charge.

The point here is, if PP wants online business outside of the US, they're going to have to eat some of that cost themselves. And when a Hooch Hauler is almost $170 a pop, I'm sure their margins could take a bit of a hit.
Fact is, if you want international customers, you have to subsidize some of the shipping costs yourself, or simply forget about international customers.
   
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Or you employ two mooks in an industrial unit somewhere inside the territory you want to trade with, then send stock in larger more efficient consignments that keeps everyone happy(ish.)

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Or you employ two mooks in an industrial unit somewhere inside the territory you want to trade with, then send stock in larger more efficient consignments that keeps everyone happy(ish.)


That.
Or, you know, since PP is so adamant about supporting the LGS, they could allow you to special order one through your local store.
   
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 Ghool wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
Or you employ two mooks in an industrial unit somewhere inside the territory you want to trade with, then send stock in larger more efficient consignments that keeps everyone happy(ish.)


That.
Or, you know, since PP is so adamant about supporting the LGS, they could allow you to special order one through your local store.


Either of these, instead of essentially doubling the price of the product for the customer. I want me a box but that shipping is insane.

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On the subject of "how is WarmaHordes doing?", I work for an online store (that I will leave nameless) and glancing at our revenue report by brand for July 2018 puts Privateer Press at number five. I'm not comfortable sharing detailed numbers, but I'll tell you that the top four were Wizards of the Coast (mostly Magic stuff), Fantasy Flight Games (mix of stuff, lots of Star Wars of course), Games Workshop (I don't think I need to explain this one), and Wizkids (mostly D&D and Pathfinder miniatures). So Privateer's not at the top, but they're not exactly dead.

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Yeah, I gotta say I’m looking around and I’m not finding any of the mega discounts people are talking about in this thread.
   
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My story mirrors others. I played Khador in Mk2 I shelled after going into stores and getting my teeth kicked in. My second game against my friend was caster kill with a collosis. So I sold it off in anger.
Queie a few years my friends are loving MK3 before themes... They give me a circle army and I paint them. And they have sat on the shelf for a year. Theme ruined it for us and CID did too. With things changing weekly we couldn't keep up.

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I've become really disillusioned with PP as well the last few years - and was going to do a long write up - but figured it wasn't worth the time. But in short (aside from the things mentioned a lot like the discount limiting, shuttering of forums and whatnot).

The big thing is that they just refuse to propely invest in getting their model line up to a modern standard. And a short list of other problems:
1. Range bloat
2. Fluff is difficult to find anymore, too much of it is Ebook only.
3. They could really use a comprehensive painting resource.
4. Marketing problems - they announced that new post-apocalyptic skirmish game at L&L a few months ago and it went over like wet fart - it was so embarassingly tone deaf.

Maybe PP just needs some new blood at the top?


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 Ghool wrote:
It's obvious that PP took some misteps, and kind of bungled the release of MK3, the worst of which was neutering almost all online sales and introducing their MAP.
Looking back now, all the steps make sense really.

I think their biggest problem is competition. There are just tons of options now to eat away at my gaming dollars, and a lot more options with better models.
The model quality of PP is worse than CMON's board game miniature quality and I think this, along with killing the Press Gang and introducing the Free Rider policy is what might be putting the nails in the coffin.

PP is unable to compete with other miniatures manufacturers, and is now competing against board games. Except I can get a board game for less than a single Hooch Hauler. In fact, I can almost get two massive board games for that price.

Another problem is the model and rules bloat.
That's why games like Guild Ball and the new hotness is doing better - less to deal with and remember.

Like others have said, it's a perfect storm of bad decisions, and extremely good competition. It's no longer a game of just competing with GW. PP has a lot more competition from a lot more companies and directions. And unless they can diversify, and start expanding their catalogue (which they seem to have tried and failed at) , there isn't much at all to entice new players - it's a steep learning curve, the models are mediocre, and the rules are I a constant state of flux. None of that is attractive to new players.



You made my points way better than I did. I will say I was super excited about Company of Iron last year - and bought some plastic Grymkin with the idea of putting together a little warband for it. The plastic Grymkin (the LAST plastic PP release) have all the same problems of the MKII starter boxes that they originally released. Also I have started picking up No Quarter since they relaunched it (because I dig their fluff and setting and factions quite a lot) and every month they've added more and more rules and exception (i.e "instead of whats on the card replace the text with this) to Company of Iron that it's already starting to feel like a bloated mess to me. In wanting to add more and more model types to CoI they're ruining what had me excited about it in the first place.


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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
The postage to the UK is somewhat frightening almost doubles the cost (and then some as I appear to be on HMRC's easy £8 handling charge hitlist)


I'm not sure why exactly, but I noticed last night that shipping defaulted for me to $100. When I clicked "see other options" there was a $3.50 option. That's US based, so I wouldn't be surprised if its still horrible out of the country, but I was surprised enough by the default being so high I almost didn't keep going to find the cheaper stuff. Might be worth a look if you stopped there.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
The postage to the UK is somewhat frightening almost doubles the cost (and then some as I appear to be on HMRC's easy £8 handling charge hitlist)


I'm not sure why exactly, but I noticed last night that shipping defaulted for me to $100. When I clicked "see other options" there was a $3.50 option. That's US based, so I wouldn't be surprised if its still horrible out of the country, but I was surprised enough by the default being so high I almost didn't keep going to find the cheaper stuff. Might be worth a look if you stopped there.


There is 3 options and the cheapest for me to Canada is $38US.
I'm sure we weren't looking at the most expensive option.

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Do Ral Partha Europe still manufacture Privateer Press minis under licence in the UK? Or is that only metal models?

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People going on like WM/H is really hard to get hold of in the UK. All the big online stores, Firestorm, Element etc stock PP products. Its only the BAHI models which you cant get in the UK and most of them are at a price point where you don't pay shipping.
   
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 Ghool wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
The postage to the UK is somewhat frightening almost doubles the cost (and then some as I appear to be on HMRC's easy £8 handling charge hitlist)


I'm not sure why exactly, but I noticed last night that shipping defaulted for me to $100. When I clicked "see other options" there was a $3.50 option. That's US based, so I wouldn't be surprised if its still horrible out of the country, but I was surprised enough by the default being so high I almost didn't keep going to find the cheaper stuff. Might be worth a look if you stopped there.


There is 3 options and the cheapest for me to Canada is $38US.
I'm sure we weren't looking at the most expensive option.


I figured as much, just thought I'd comment after running into that rather baffling default.
   
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
My story mirrors others. I played Khador in Mk2 I shelled after going into stores and getting my teeth kicked in. My second game against my friend was caster kill with a collosis. So I sold it off in anger.
Queie a few years my friends are loving MK3 before themes... They give me a circle army and I paint them. And they have sat on the shelf for a year. Theme ruined it for us and CID did too. With things changing weekly we couldn't keep up.


Just on this--the beta rules for the models being introduced / rebalanced change weekly. Because it's a beta. The actual rules don't get updated until the playtesting has finished. If you don't want to play playtest games, then....don't. Just use the old rules till the update comes out. You don't even need to worry about your cards being out of date, because Warroom and the online card database both update accordingly.

There's stuff I'm not happy with PP about, but CID has been a pure positive for me. Ironically, I find the gameplay of WMH is in the best state it's ever been in, it's the stuff around that (not being able to keep up with a thriving but very competitive local scene, themes, the fumbling around with the Pressgang or forums, not-Forgeworld) that's been annoying me.

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Generally speaking, CID can be ignored and should be for the most part. It's super useful for the game but for the most part, the only changes that are really beneficial to follow is the final set released when CID closes.
   
 
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