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Does the table's edge extend vertically? Specifically, can I Tide of Traitors my cultists into elevated ruins 6" over the table edge, or must it be measured from base of cultists to the physical edge of the world?

Dactylartha wrote:
Does the table's edge extend vertically? Specifically, can I Tide of Traitors my cultists into elevated ruins 6" over the table edge, or must it be measured from base of cultists to the physical edge of the world?

There are no rules that say either way. Discuss pre-game with your opponent. GW can't write rules properly.

Tide of Traitors requires you to place your models within the given distance of the edge of the battlefield.

Even if the battlefield were three dimensional (which it's assumed not to be, per 'The Battlefield' under 'Fighting a Battle' in the rulebook), a face or planar surface thereof is not an edge.

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Tide of Traitors requires you to place your models within the given distance of the edge of the battlefield.

Even if the battlefield were three dimensional (which it's assumed not to be, per 'The Battlefield' under 'Fighting a Battle' in the rulebook), a face or planar surface thereof is not an edge.

A very good point. Planes are not Edges which are not lines.

Lets hope people don't get annoyed for using things like "definitions" in rules discussions though!

I don't have the Chaos Codex with me at the moment, so I cannot verify what Tide of traitors does in relation to set-up from table edge.

But, that said, all distances in 40k are both vertical and horizontal; measured at 90°.

In the same way that you have "deep strike" units that can arrive on a structure over 9" directly above enemy unit, if you must set up within 6" of the table edge that means you would have to have a terrain piece right at the edge and set up within 6" vertically.

You'd have to measure to the physical edge of the table. If you're trying to put them at the top of a 12"-tall ruin, you're not measuring to the edge of the table; you're measuring to the air above it.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Dactylartha wrote:
Does the table's edge extend vertically? Specifically, can I Tide of Traitors my cultists into elevated ruins 6" over the table edge, or must it be measured from base of cultists to the physical edge of the world?

There are no rules that say either way. Discuss pre-game with your opponent. GW can't write rules properly.

BCB is right on this - discuss it pre-game with your opponent.

I'd say if you your group is okay with letting a flyer hang a wing over the edge above the table so that it's sticking outside the edge, then you're already not treating the edge as extending vertically, so to be consistent shouldn't try to count a plane sticking up vertically from the edge as the edge itself. If you're group doesn't allow that, then they might agree with what you want since it sounds like they're already treating the edge as extending vertically.

Odds are best that you''ll end up with the edge being only at ground level and that most people would want to play it that way.

I’ve always interpreted it as like deployment zone rules, so an area that’s a plane and anything within that vertically. Don’t ask me to back that up with anything, just feels consistent with deployment and is how we gut-feel interpreted it from day one.

Looking at the actual Wording: "You can set it up again wholly within 6" of the edge of the battlefield and more than 9" from any enemy models, at its full starting strength."

If you are playing with a 12" tall, roofed/height-to-floor ruin; and feel that the vertical distance counts for Chaos Terminator's Teleport Strike, then the Vertical distance absolutely must count for the wholly within 6".

At the very least, be consistent; All table edge set-ups, and all "anywhere on the battlefield more than 9" from an enemy model" should be either counting or not counting vertical distances.