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Aggressors are equiped with auto boltstorm gauntlets. Their profile is 18" assault 6.
My friend seems to think that because they have 2 gauntlets that means they are assault 12 for each model. And would get 72 shots for a unit of 3 if they don't move.

I simply said. They have auto boltstorm gauntlets. The weapons profile is assault 6. For 18 shots. 36 if they don't move.

Please help with this stupid argument.
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Lord of the Fleet






London

Nowhere does it state it's armed with 2 Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets. The number of weapons is actually has makes no difference, and make note of the use of the plural in the weapon stats. If they don't move they get 2x6 + 2xD6 each.

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Cardiff

The two arm weapon systems have a combined profile.

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Aachen

Sumarr wrote:
Aggressors are equiped with auto boltstorm gauntlets. Their profile is 18" assault 6.
My friend seems to think that because they have 2 gauntlets that means they are assault 12 for each model. And would get 72 shots for a unit of 3 if they don't move.

I simply said. They have auto boltstorm gauntlets. The weapons profile is assault 6. For 18 shots. 36 if they don't move.

Please help with this stupid argument.


It's one weapon called "Auto boltstorm gauntlets". It's both fists combined.
   
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I have found that people like that refuse to listen to reason, there isn't anything you'll be able to do.

The rules say they have one weapon, it doesn't matter how many "weapons" he thinks the model has.

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One "angle of reason" you could show him is the Captain in Gravis Armor: 1 boltstorm guantlet(notice the singular), pistol 3 type.

Auto guantlets are assault 6 for the plural and to be fired with the fragstorm.

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Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.



 
   
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Dang. Just got my green Ork ass handed to me by a single Aggressor pumping out 24 shots per turn yesterday!

Would have been good to know this!
   
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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Dang. Just got my green Ork ass handed to me by a single Aggressor pumping out 24 shots per turn yesterday!

Would have been good to know this!


It's 6 from the Boltstorm plus d6 from the Fragstorm. Plus they shoot twice if they don't move. So 24 from a single model is totally possible so long as they rolled 2 6s for the Fragstorm.

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Stux wrote:
 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Dang. Just got my green Ork ass handed to me by a single Aggressor pumping out 24 shots per turn yesterday!

Would have been good to know this!


It's 6 from the Boltstorm plus d6 from the Fragstorm. Plus they shoot twice if they don't move. So 24 from a single model is totally possible so long as they rolled 2 6s for the Fragstorm.
Seconding this. You have 42-72 shots for a unit of 3 agressors including fragstorm - which is a ridiculous amount of firepower considering its a 111pt unit.

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 skchsan wrote:
Stux wrote:
 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Dang. Just got my green Ork ass handed to me by a single Aggressor pumping out 24 shots per turn yesterday!

Would have been good to know this!


It's 6 from the Boltstorm plus d6 from the Fragstorm. Plus they shoot twice if they don't move. So 24 from a single model is totally possible so long as they rolled 2 6s for the Fragstorm.
Seconding this. You have 42-72 shots for a unit of 3 agressors including fragstorm - which is a ridiculous amount of firepower considering its a 111pt unit.

Really they arn't they have 18 inch range and have to remain stationary to double shoot. They have 6 T5 3+Sv wounds and loose a 3rd of their damage output for every 2 wounds lost.

Stop walking up to them! Move around them, shoot them from outwith 18inchs. It's just you lot running at them and giving them 2 shooting phases that's ridiculous.
   
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Ice_can wrote:
 skchsan wrote:
Stux wrote:
 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Dang. Just got my green Ork ass handed to me by a single Aggressor pumping out 24 shots per turn yesterday!

Would have been good to know this!


It's 6 from the Boltstorm plus d6 from the Fragstorm. Plus they shoot twice if they don't move. So 24 from a single model is totally possible so long as they rolled 2 6s for the Fragstorm.
Seconding this. You have 42-72 shots for a unit of 3 agressors including fragstorm - which is a ridiculous amount of firepower considering its a 111pt unit.

Really they arn't they have 18 inch range and have to remain stationary to double shoot. They have 6 T5 3+Sv wounds and loose a 3rd of their damage output for every 2 wounds lost.

Stop walking up to them! Move around them, shoot them from outwith 18inchs. It's just you lot running at them and giving them 2 shooting phases that's ridiculous.
The point is how many shots a single unit of min sized aggressors can potentially generate. No one here is talking about how viable those 72 18" S4 shots are. Let's not derail the thread.
   
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Aachen

 skchsan wrote:
Ice_can wrote:
 skchsan wrote:
Stux wrote:
 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Dang. Just got my green Ork ass handed to me by a single Aggressor pumping out 24 shots per turn yesterday!

Would have been good to know this!


It's 6 from the Boltstorm plus d6 from the Fragstorm. Plus they shoot twice if they don't move. So 24 from a single model is totally possible so long as they rolled 2 6s for the Fragstorm.
Seconding this. You have 42-72 shots for a unit of 3 agressors including fragstorm - which is a ridiculous amount of firepower considering its a 111pt unit.

Really they arn't they have 18 inch range and have to remain stationary to double shoot. They have 6 T5 3+Sv wounds and loose a 3rd of their damage output for every 2 wounds lost.

Stop walking up to them! Move around them, shoot them from outwith 18inchs. It's just you lot running at them and giving them 2 shooting phases that's ridiculous.
The point is how many shots a single unit of min sized aggressors can potentially generate. No one here is talking about how viable those 72 18" S4 shots are. Let's not derail the thread.


guess who wrote: which is a ridiculous amount of firepower considering its a 111pt unit.


Dude.
   
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It being rediculous doesn't mean it's viable...
   
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The name of the entry doesn't matter.

It is equipped with <MacGuffin Of Shooting> and <MacGuffin Of Shooting> has 6 shots.

You could call it "Literally all of the dakka in the universe" and it would still only have 6 shots.

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Ice_can wrote:
 skchsan wrote:
Stux wrote:
 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Dang. Just got my green Ork ass handed to me by a single Aggressor pumping out 24 shots per turn yesterday!

Would have been good to know this!


It's 6 from the Boltstorm plus d6 from the Fragstorm. Plus they shoot twice if they don't move. So 24 from a single model is totally possible so long as they rolled 2 6s for the Fragstorm.
Seconding this. You have 42-72 shots for a unit of 3 agressors including fragstorm - which is a ridiculous amount of firepower considering its a 111pt unit.

Really they arn't they have 18 inch range and have to remain stationary to double shoot. They have 6 T5 3+Sv wounds and loose a 3rd of their damage output for every 2 wounds lost.

Stop walking up to them! Move around them, shoot them from outwith 18inchs. It's just you lot running at them and giving them 2 shooting phases that's ridiculous.


Or, they infiltrate and you lose first turn - allowing them to shoot double shots, and be in range. AND, your army can't shoot anything that has a -1 to hit modifier, because you have a BS5+ base.

But, to be fair; this is an entirely off-topic discussion.

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fe40k wrote:
Ice_can wrote:
 skchsan wrote:
Stux wrote:
 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Dang. Just got my green Ork ass handed to me by a single Aggressor pumping out 24 shots per turn yesterday!

Would have been good to know this!


It's 6 from the Boltstorm plus d6 from the Fragstorm. Plus they shoot twice if they don't move. So 24 from a single model is totally possible so long as they rolled 2 6s for the Fragstorm.
Seconding this. You have 42-72 shots for a unit of 3 agressors including fragstorm - which is a ridiculous amount of firepower considering its a 111pt unit.

Really they arn't they have 18 inch range and have to remain stationary to double shoot. They have 6 T5 3+Sv wounds and loose a 3rd of their damage output for every 2 wounds lost.

Stop walking up to them! Move around them, shoot them from outwith 18inchs. It's just you lot running at them and giving them 2 shooting phases that's ridiculous.


Or, they infiltrate and you lose first turn - allowing them to shoot double shots, and be in range. AND, your army can't shoot anything that has a -1 to hit modifier, because you have a BS5+ base.

But, to be fair; this is an entirely off-topic discussion.

Just run away from then use advance to get whats left in range out of that 18 inch bubble. One they have to move for range they half their shooting at which point you pounce and charge as they can't double shoot overwatch either.
Also arn't KMK BS4+
   
 
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