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Space Marines should be retired from the Title characters for 40K.

Knights should replace them as the face of 40K. Better rules, better fluff, and they don’t have 40 years of recanted fluff to contend with.

Also at this point there hasn’t been a time where ½ of them joined the ruinous powers. Not to mention they don’t get corrupted by 30 minutes in a Dagobah cave. It takes months of hard work, and even then it’s not 100% of the time reliable to corrupt them.

It will make people file into stuff like adepticus titanicus easier. Sells more games. Who doesn’t love giant human controlled robots? RObotech and Battletech have proven this.

So you want to make a much less interesting faction with much less variation that looks much more generic (to me) the titular models?

I don't see that working well since knights are huge models that take a good bit of skill to assemble and paint. That's not exactly what you want as your main/intro product.

Wait,
Didn't more of the Titan Legions go Traitor than not in the Heresy?

Didn't the Green Dragon titan pilot turn traitor after only a 30 minute conversation with the pink titan pilot (some kind of bird-titan)?

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I don't see that working well since knights are huge models that take a good bit of skill to assemble and paint. That's not exactly what you want as your main/intro product.

Make a Easy build Knight for the ramp up.


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pm713 wrote:
So you want to make a much less interesting faction with much less variation that looks much more generic (to me) the titular models?

Other than spacewolves, the reality is that almost all the different for space marines is the color scheme...

Now you did hit the interesting button. Hard to be as interesting when you haven't had 40 years of development... yet..

Compared to putting together some marines or orks, no it is not. If I wanted to get someone into the hobby I would not have them start with such a large model.

Bharring wrote:
Wait,
Didn't more of the Titan Legions go Traitor than not in the Heresy?

Didn't the Green Dragon titan pilot turn traitor after only a 30 minute conversation with the pink titan pilot (some kind of bird-titan)?

Beats me. I haven't read that book. Most likely that he was fried by his throne?

The "face" of 40k will always be determined by sales. Until SM start to slow massively and knights eclipse them SM will stay the "face" of GW

Not to mention its hard to get someone into a game with a massive expensive single model. I got hooked by my dad buying me the little paint set with a free SM.... you can't do that with a knight

Reemule wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Wait,
Didn't more of the Titan Legions go Traitor than not in the Heresy?

Didn't the Green Dragon titan pilot turn traitor after only a 30 minute conversation with the pink titan pilot (some kind of bird-titan)?

Beats me. I haven't read that book. Most likely that he was fried by his throne?

Most of Mars went over to the dark side. All it took was Horus offering to let them have tech forbidden by emperor.

The main Entro right now is a 160 buck box. (Dark Imperium)

I paid $165 for Renegades on Amazon. Came with 2 knights, rules excetra.

Seems like no real barrier to entry on the cost side. So make the models some easy make models and just do it?

lol

If you believe that the only difference between various marine chapter is a paint job, you have either ignored or not read most of BL, Forgeworlds various IA books or anything heresy related.

I'm fairly certain this is a sarcastic thread.

 Marmatag wrote:
I'm fairly certain this is a sarcastic thread.

Definitely a trolling thread.

I think we just need Knight sized marines. It can just be a new mark of power armor and then we can dump the entire Knight model line and have proper thematic semi-titans with chapter tactics.

We can call them Prime Primaris Marines

 Marmatag wrote:
I'm fairly certain this is a sarcastic thread.

I'm fairly certain it's a troll.

15W with a 0+ and a special rule that 1s do not fail.

We'll bump the PPM to 20, to be fair.

We need to have a Knights Primaris. Basically, you put a space marine in a dreadknight, that is then put in an Imperial Knight frame.

 Stormonu wrote:
We need to have a Knights Primaris. Basically, you put a space marine in a dreadknight, that is then put in an Imperial Knight frame.

Double the wounds and attacks ofc

Pfffft!!! The human scale of iconic players in the universe is too important to the setting.

Can't we just put a Knight into PowerArmor? And have Marines carry a gun that shoots those?

 Stormonu wrote:
We need to have a Knights Primaris. Basically, you put a space marine in a dreadknight, that is then put in an Imperial Knight frame.

Just make certain the marine is completely exposed in his MKVIII armor so no one gets confused about who the pilot is.

Also - needs laser sword launcher with a clip of chained psykers as a power source.

reduce the overwhelming bloat of Marines, lot so slightly different Marines, special snowflake Marines and er different marines and make those that remain more flexible and better balanced.

Bharring wrote:
Can't we just put a Knight into PowerArmor? And have Marines carry a gun that shoots those?

A gun that shoots knights would be pretty solid.

Although, Knights already have power armor.

Yea, sounds like you might be interested in Titanicus.

40k should be about Infantry and Vehicles.

Ive been playing smaller games, specifically to avoid facing SHV + Deathstar "Casual" lists.

I would actually make the Mechanicus or Dark Eldars the poster boys. The creeepiest bunch.

I think that your Primaris should join together as a squad to make a dreadnaught with 5 and a knight with 10.

Reemule wrote:
Space Marines should be retired from the Title characters for 40K.

Knights should replace them as the face of 40K. Better rules, better fluff, and they don’t have 40 years of recanted fluff to contend with.

Also at this point there hasn’t been a time where ½ of them joined the ruinous powers. Not to mention they don’t get corrupted by 30 minutes in a Dagobah cave. It takes months of hard work, and even then it’s not 100% of the time reliable to corrupt them.

It will make people file into stuff like adepticus titanicus easier. Sells more games. Who doesn’t love giant human controlled robots? RObotech and Battletech have proven this.

Nah.

Skaorn wrote:
I think that your Primaris should join together as a squad to make a dreadnaught with 5 and a knight with 10.

"Tertius and Secundus, you form the arms. Linkus and Dufus, you make the legs, and I, Primus, will form the Head!

Reemule wrote:
Space Marines should be retired from the Title characters for 40K.

Knights should replace them as the face of 40K. Better rules, better fluff, and they don’t have 40 years of recanted fluff to contend with.

Also at this point there hasn’t been a time where ½ of them joined the ruinous powers. Not to mention they don’t get corrupted by 30 minutes in a Dagobah cave. It takes months of hard work, and even then it’s not 100% of the time reliable to corrupt them.

It will make people file into stuff like adepticus titanicus easier. Sells more games. Who doesn’t love giant human controlled robots? RObotech and Battletech have proven this.

That´s a troll thread.

Hahahaha, sure.