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 Kanluwen wrote:

Excited to see what all they get. Wonder if they'll make it so Long Fangs get "Helfrost Cannons" and tell you to just use the Grav Cannons?

Obviously not.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Excited to see what all they get. Wonder if they'll make it so Long Fangs get "Helfrost Cannons" and tell you to just use the Grav Cannons?

Obviously not.

I mean, probably not--but Helfrost stuff not being present was such a missed opportunity.

I'd assume Grav will get added though.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Excited to see what all they get. Wonder if they'll make it so Long Fangs get "Helfrost Cannons" and tell you to just use the Grav Cannons?

Obviously not.

Based on Blood Angels and Dark Angels, I'd expect very little new compared to the index. Probably just the new Primaris guy they've shown, plus the Terminators and the Wulfen Dread of course. I wouldn't be surprised if that was it in terms of units and wargear.

There'll be a ton of strats of course!

well longfangs had their kit pulled so it's fair for space wolves to hold out a small hope that they get their own kit again with some new options.

BrianDavion wrote:
well longfangs had their kit pulled so it's fair for space wolves to hold out a small hope that they get their own kit again with some new options.

That would be pretty huge (and therefore unlikely) actually. We haven't had a new oldscale release since Primaris came out.

Banville wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
How about a form of open topped transport, like a Grav platform of sorts that can move super fast yet has a shield on it to protect the unit inside. Run aggressors up the field on it yet they class as not moving but can shoot from the platform and boom you have your anti horde unit.

I thought when they released hell blasters we’d end up seeing more of them with different weapon combo’s quite soon but we didn’t... I think the dreadnaught needs more options as well. A dedicated anti tank platform with stronger missiles and quad lascannons or twin linked las talons or something.

I personally don’t want to see bikes. Bikes are boring to me.

Yeah, I don't want bikes either. I don't think the concept works at all. Scout bikes, yeah, but guys mounting cavalry charges on motorbikes? Nah.

An ATV like Mantic's Mule would be cool. Sweet model by the way.

I'd like, just cos it'd be cool, some sort of quad-mounted autocannon thing that can move along on tracks or big chunky wheels.

Now that Cawl has created this new grav tech (built on old grave tech, added as people think I meant he invented the original grave tech, people keep bringing this up so before you comment, everyones already done it before you) we'll most likely get jet bikes.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

At least it might mean them getting rid of those emperor-awful land speeders.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

At least it might mean them getting rid of those emperor-awful land speeders.

Land Speeders aren't that terribly designed outside the ghastly Darkshroud...

I’ve gotten used to the landsoeeder design but the 2nd edition ones reimagined would’ve been better in plastering. RT ones were ok.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

He didn't invent the original, but he invented the new grav tech, there is no lore I've heard that shows how he made them. Of course it adds something, who can't use a jetbike. Its daft if the DA's and the WS's get them and no one else does.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

At least it might mean them getting rid of those emperor-awful land speeders.

Someone needs to go and apologize to Akhan Land for insulting his speeders.

Seriously though, I don't think the Land Speeder is at fault here, it's an old kit and that's going to make it suffer in terms to design compared to newer stuff but it fits the game well enough.

I don’t think the grav tech is new. He just improved stuff and repurposed stuff. I’ll have a look.


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Sounds like existing tech used in new and heretical ways. It does look like a land raider with grav plates on. Not much fluff on it really.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

He didn't invent the original, but he invented the new grav tech, there is no lore I've heard that shows how he made them. Of course it adds something, who can't use a jetbike. Its daft if the DA's and the WS's get them and no one else does.

He's using grav plates, something that are on vehicles the Imperium over. It's not new tech, it's a new application of old tech.,

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

At least it might mean them getting rid of those emperor-awful land speeders.

Someone needs to go and apologize to Akhan Land for insulting his speeders.

Seriously though, I don't think the Land Speeder is at fault here, it's an old kit and that's going to make it suffer in terms to design compared to newer stuff but it fits the game well enough.

Either way - every time I see one I keep expecting to see George Jetson driving it, not a space marine.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

At least it might mean them getting rid of those emperor-awful land speeders.

Someone needs to go and apologize to Akhan Land for insulting his speeders.

Seriously though, I don't think the Land Speeder is at fault here, it's an old kit and that's going to make it suffer in terms to design compared to newer stuff but it fits the game well enough.

Either way - every time I see one I keep expecting to see George Jetson driving it, not a space marine.

George Jetson drove a flying saucer with bubble lid. Marines have what is basically a Jeep that flies.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

He didn't invent the original, but he invented the new grav tech, there is no lore I've heard that shows how he made them. Of course it adds something, who can't use a jetbike. Its daft if the DA's and the WS's get them and no one else does.

He's using grav plates, something that are on vehicles the Imperium over. It's not new tech, it's a new application of old tech.,

I never said it was new tech. I've got 30k custodes grav tanks.

I like the repulsor. Best new marine vehicle in ages.

Andykp wrote:
I like the repulsor. Best new marine vehicle in ages.

Way too many points, though.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

He didn't invent the original, but he invented the new grav tech, there is no lore I've heard that shows how he made them. Of course it adds something, who can't use a jetbike. Its daft if the DA's and the WS's get them and no one else does.

He's using grav plates, something that are on vehicles the Imperium over. It's not new tech, it's a new application of old tech.,

I never said it was new tech. I've got 30k custodes grav tanks.

You literally called it "new grav tech" in the post I quoted.


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Martel732 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I like the repulsor. Best new marine vehicle in ages.

Way too points, though.

About Land Raider costed, but better choice in guns for the cost of a point of save (3+ instead of a 2+).

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that Cawl has created grav tech we'll most likely get jet bikes.

Cawl didn't "invent" grav tech, he just violated the sacred STC of something like a Land Raider by slapping more guns and grave plates onto it (that or found an STC for the thing somewhere).

Still not solid on this idea of grav bike Primaris. I mean the Dark Angels and White Scars would be happy, but I don't know if it really adds anything to the army beyond a thematic choice.,

He didn't invent the original, but he invented the new grav tech, there is no lore I've heard that shows how he made them. Of course it adds something, who can't use a jetbike. Its daft if the DA's and the WS's get them and no one else does.

He's using grav plates, something that are on vehicles the Imperium over. It's not new tech, it's a new application of old tech.,

I never said it was new tech. I've got 30k custodes grav tanks.

You literally called it "new grav tech" in the post I quoted.


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Martel732 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I like the repulsor. Best new marine vehicle in ages.

Way too points, though.

About Land Raider costed, but better choice in guns for the cost of a point of save (3+ instead of a 2+).

FLY too, which is significant for fallback and shoot. It's not great overall, but certainly better than a LR.

Stux wrote:
FLY too, which is significant for fallback and shoot. It's not great overall, but certainly better than a LR.

It also makes the Repulsor more mobile too. Want to park it on top of a building to get better LOS? You can!

I guess. The 2+ armor is great vs S5 spam attacks though. Repulsor is super-flimsy.

Martel732 wrote:
I guess. The 2+ armor is great vs S5 spam attacks though. Repulsor is super-flimsy.

Honestly if someone wants to waste that many S5 shots on a Repulsor I say go for it. You know how many shots it would take?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I guess. The 2+ armor is great vs S5 spam attacks though. Repulsor is super-flimsy.

Honestly if someone wants to waste that many S5 shots on a Repulsor I say go for it. You know how many shots it would take?

Repulsor is so expensive it's still efficient.

In the spirit of rampant wishlisting, here's my wishes (For what they're worth ):

Do away with the whole 'Old Marines' line, reintroducing only the most iconic bits in Primaris scale. I'm speaking from a collecting/lore point of view, so I can't really say how this would affect the TT game. Anywaay, the bit's I'd reintroduce would be:

Jump-Pack equipped Assault Squads.
Primaris Terminators
Primaris Heavy Weapons squad

Vehicles:

A proper tank. The Land Raider and Repulsor are both, in reality, heavy APC's/Assault Guns (Think a cross between a M113 and a Stug), despite being touted as a 'Tank' by GW. The Rhino is also an APC and the Predator (and Razor-back) are more like an IFV. Currently, Space Marines do not actually have a genuine MBT-type tank (Because the IoM doesn't want them getting too powerful - but now they have a Primarch running the show, so...)

No bikes, aside from scouts. As mentioned before, motorbike cavalry charges are... dubious, to say the least.

Finally, Relics. This is the key bit that I think GW overlooked when they introduced Primaris Marines (Especially as they came off the back of Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero). The core, central, overwhelming theme of the Imperium is that they are dogmatic, backwards looking and they utterly venerate relics. Even the most progressive of SM Chapters, even if they disregard the religious aspects of IoM dogma, still regard Chapter relics as objects of great worth.

But, helmets and shoulder pads aside, none of the classic weapons or marks of armour can be utilised by Primaris Marines. So what the feth was the point in doing BaC and BoP? All those iconic armours that people have wanted for years are utterly pointless unless you use them solely for 30k! So, I'd wish-list the most for a few boxes of true-scaled relic armours. I have no idea how you would justify them in the lore - perhaps the chapter artificers reforged the suits to fit them? All this could have been avoided if they had just avoided making Primaris marines bigger in the fluff...

Andykp wrote:
I like the repulsor. Best new marine vehicle in ages.

disagree it looks like it was designed by a 5 year old.

A land raider for all its faults and being overcost atleast looks like its designed for fighting.
A repulsor it just every weapon on the first bit of available armour.

They either need to be allowed into landraider, tunderhawks etc FFS they can cary centurions and Terminators. Or they need more vehicals. Also the beer gut dreadnaught looks nasty compaired to Leviathans and contemptors. Primaris Don't actually look to bad next to sicarans.

Stux wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
well longfangs had their kit pulled so it's fair for space wolves to hold out a small hope that they get their own kit again with some new options.

That would be pretty huge (and therefore unlikely) actually. We haven't had a new oldscale release since Primaris came out.

Since the alternative is Longfangs get pulled from the book, it's not unlikely they get a new kit.

It is worth mentioning that the previous Longfangs and Skyclaws boxes were using the versions of those boxes that were two iterations or so back.

Martel732 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I guess. The 2+ armor is great vs S5 spam attacks though. Repulsor is super-flimsy.

Honestly if someone wants to waste that many S5 shots on a Repulsor I say go for it. You know how many shots it would take?

Repulsor is so expensive it's still efficient.

You didn't answer the question.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Since the alternative is Longfangs get pulled from the book, it's not unlikely they get a new kit.

No, they will just use the standard Devastator kit.