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I have no reason to doubt you so yep that’s a bit odd.


But to answer your question, it’s clickbait, they know it causes controversy and if you check thier Facebook page you will see they have lost a LOT of people since the Fem40k article, pro or against it doesn’t matter, it upset a lot of people, but got a hell of a lot of clicks, this new one seems intended to generate a similar response, also comments wise you usually see between 0 and 20 on most of their spam articles, they used to get hundreds, this controversy combined with the blatant lies and click bait they have been throwing out the last couple of years has eroded any trust the community has in them.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 kastelen wrote:

Such as?

Cursed Founding allows for an unknown number of chapters with geneseed altered in unrecorded ways. Given some of the examples in that founding, fem marines wouldn't be too out there.

A lot of people like to drag out the whole -4 Str thing, but assuming that it isn't genetically altered in the next century, it would no longer be a 'thing' by the 23rd millennia anyway, so by 40k, it's not really a valid argument.

It'd require the gene seed be put into a woman or it turn them into one which even for chaos is kind of useless since it doesn't do anything unless you're slaanesh.

 kastelen wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 kastelen wrote:

Such as?

Cursed Founding allows for an unknown number of chapters with geneseed altered in unrecorded ways. Given some of the examples in that founding, fem marines wouldn't be too out there.

A lot of people like to drag out the whole -4 Str thing, but assuming that it isn't genetically altered in the next century, it would no longer be a 'thing' by the 23rd millennia anyway, so by 40k, it's not really a valid argument.

It'd require the gene seed be put into a woman or it turn them into one which even for chaos is kind of useless since it doesn't do anything unless you're slaanesh.

Since we already know what happens to woman with the geneseed and chaos.... yep it ain’t hawt and it ain’t pretty

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Daemonculaba

It generates ad revenue. Every time they post it, their little comments section below turns into a massive amount bickering, posturing, virtue-signalling, conspiratorial rambling, and otherwise typical web-page comments section nonsense.

And I can't, for the life of me, understand why people bother to post in their comments on stuff like this- especially considering the absurd things they've banned people for and the absurd criteria for removing posts.

And in all honesty, BoLS has never really offered any degree of quality content, to my taste at least. I get tired of "Why we need ____" articles that are either just some writer's wish list or just their opinion on the way things should work in the game. That's not really 'news' to me in a way, it's stuff that I can go to any number of places and read without ads blowing my phone to pieces.

And to the topic at hand, I'm just personally sick of seeing it pop up every few weeks. I don't know how it's an argument. I don't know what there is to argue. It's a damned hobby game where you can pretty much make your dudes look any way you want if you can find the pieces. By all means, put lady heads on your dudes and knock yourself out with your female space marines. If someone doesn't like it, it doesn't matter. You don't need approval from other players or GW to enjoy your toys.

Because at the end of the day, this topic itself is just bait. There is only one valid argument for or against them, and that is 'preference'. That's it. Everything else that follows on is either just throwing too much emotional appeal behind your preference, or it's what I think it is- an argument in bad faith that's attempting to start a bigger fire that has nothing to do with what someone wants to glue on their toys.

 kastelen wrote:

It'd require the gene seed be put into a woman or it turn them into one which even for chaos is kind of useless since it doesn't do anything unless you're slaanesh.

Well, no, there's fluff for women being implanted with geneseed by Chaos, yes, it does stuff, no, it's not pretty, and, IIRC, the admech also does something a bit similar when they're trying to create enough geneseed for a new founding. Random people are used to grow the geneseed, which is then harvested. And if they need warm bodies, they're not that particular about gender, which is one of the reason I've always questioned the bit about 'tissue types'.

More disturbingly, it may have been done deliberately, because no one is really sure the whys and wherefores of the cursed founding. They did try to recreate primarchs during it in secret as well.

 Formosa wrote:

Since we already know what happens to woman with the geneseed and chaos.... yep it ain’t hawt and it ain’t pretty

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Daemonculaba

Damn, ninja'd.


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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

And I can't, for the life of me, understand why people bother to post in their comments on stuff like this- especially considering the absurd things they've banned people for and the absurd criteria for removing posts.

Given my own history with dakka on occasion, moderation is a subject I won't touch.

Can I just say that an alternate Horus Heresy where the two missing legions were around and helmed by 2 female primarchs would be deeply fascinating to me?

One character speculates that sisters might have helped balance the whole 'family dynamic' out (iirc) but family is crazy and complicated pretty much no matter what. Sisters and brother DO have a very different dynamic than brothers and brothers though and it would be very interesting how that particular ripple would affect the outcome.

Also, I take issue with the idea that they can just discover some magic lady geneseed machine and BAM, female space marines. That's literally like...85% of all of 40k's entire background. If you got a dollar for everytime a heretofore unknown piece of equipment or process or space magic bullshitolyzer popped up and made a new model, or faction, or book premise, or w/e you could buy GW and write the narrative yourself.

I don't give one wet dog fart if they do it or not, I just don't think 'logic' or 'precedent' have historically had any place in 40k.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

And in all honesty, BoLS has never really offered any degree of quality content, to my taste at least.

I enjoy some of their minis showcases, particularly the ones with 'how to convert' such and such mini or model.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Given my own history with dakka on occasion, moderation is a subject I won't touch.

Oh, mine too. But I'll flat out say that I've been rude a lot if I'm provoked or just trying to have fun. And I'm trying to adjust that.

But Dakka mods aren't banning people for stuff like proving the writer of an article wrong, or for criticizing an article as 'not really funny', or telling them that a certain build combination will not function.

I'm not sure who moderates it, but they seem to be a bit inconsistent, because some of the comments there are pretty rude.

ERJAK wrote:
Can I just say that an alternate Horus Heresy where the two missing legions were around and helmed by 2 female primarchs would be deeply fascinating to me?

One character speculates that sisters might have helped balance the whole 'family dynamic' out (iirc) but family is crazy and complicated pretty much no matter what. Sisters and brother DO have a very different dynamic than brothers and brothers though and it would be very interesting how that particular ripple would affect the outcome.

Yes, I remember that in one of the HH novels Malcador The Sigilite comments that he pitched the idea to the Emperor. Being he goes on to found the Inquisition, it sort of works with my idea of Fem Marines being a Cursed Founding thing, since they ran that shitshow.

ERJAK wrote:
Can I just say that an alternate Horus Heresy where the two missing legions were around and helmed by 2 female primarchs would be deeply fascinating to me?

One character speculates that sisters might have helped balance the whole 'family dynamic' out (iirc) but family is crazy and complicated pretty much no matter what. Sisters and brother DO have a very different dynamic than brothers and brothers though and it would be very interesting how that particular ripple would affect the outcome.

You can say anything you want and do anything you want. Do the models belong to you? Then customize away. Buy third party bits. Write lore. Paint the hell out of them. Do your thing. It doesn't matter if I like it, or of it's what I'd do. The only person you need to build a model for is yourself. As long as you're A- Buying 40k stuff, B- Supporting 3rd Party Bit makers, and C- Playing the game without being a jerk to anyone- literally everyone wins. I encourage you to do this.

And I do that, not wanting female Space Marines, but I want you to enjoy the toys you bought and make them cool so you enjoy them.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

And in all honesty, BoLS has never really offered any degree of quality content, to my taste at least. I get tired of "Why we need ____" articles that are either just some writer's wish list or just their opinion on the way things should work in the game. That's not really 'news' to me in a way, it's stuff that I can go to any number of places and read without ads blowing my phone to pieces.

I like the army showcase type articles they put up occasionally. Otherwise I only really use BoLS to keep caught up on 40k news I missed if I was checked out of the community for a little while.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Can I just say that an alternate Horus Heresy where the two missing legions were around and helmed by 2 female primarchs would be deeply fascinating to me?

One character speculates that sisters might have helped balance the whole 'family dynamic' out (iirc) but family is crazy and complicated pretty much no matter what. Sisters and brother DO have a very different dynamic than brothers and brothers though and it would be very interesting how that particular ripple would affect the outcome.

You can say anything you want and do anything you want. Do the models belong to you? Then customize away. Buy third party bits. Write lore. Paint the hell out of them. Do your thing. It doesn't matter if I like it, or of it's what I'd do. The only person you need to build a model for is yourself. As long as you're A- Buying 40k stuff, B- Supporting 3rd Party Bit makers, and C- Playing the game without being a jerk to anyone- literally everyone wins. I encourage you to do this.

And I do that, not wanting female Space Marines, but I want you to enjoy the toys you bought and make them cool so you enjoy them.

This doesn't make any sense as a response. Why would I buy models to hear a story? Do you write novels to go bike riding? Do you hang-glide to paint portraits?

I said I would be interested in seeing an alternate take, not writing it. I already know how I'd do it, I would want to see someone else(preferably someone who was involved in writing the actual Horus Heresy's) take on it.

Are you really so afraid of female marines that even the vague idea of an AU take on the Horus Heresy freaks you out this much?

ERJAK wrote:
Are you really so afraid of female marines that even the vague idea of an AU take on the Horus Heresy freaks you out this much?

Okay, I will now be firm but I am doing my best to do so without being rude.

I was simply telling you that you shouldn't be afraid to create your own thing. That's all. You could have said, "I'd like to see it canon in a book or something" to clarify your position and that would have been adequate.

But what you're doing right now is exactly what I said- people take this topic and use it as bait to create an argument that has nothing to do with 'preferences' and turn it into an insult-slinging contest. This is the specific reason right here, why this very topic should warrant exterminatus on sight, every time it creeps into a forum.

Please re-adjust your tone, I was not rude to you. There is no reason for you to become combative.

ERJAK wrote:


This doesn't make any sense as a response. Why would I buy models to hear a story?

As someone who does 40k minis and models, every one of them is a story.



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ERJAK wrote:

Are you really so afraid of female marines that even the vague idea of an AU take on the Horus Heresy freaks you out this much?

That's not what he was saying.

I used to be against the ideas of Female Space Marines because it was lore breaking and there was no real point to it. Now I don't really care anymore. If GW does it I'll just be glad that people will stop complaining about it. Right? Right??

Besides, Primaris marines are a new thing. They could easily just say that Cawl sorted out the geneseed so it works for XX chromosomes too.

You made this thread after the femarines comment in the Mod/Us Politics thread didn't you?

Please no more femarine threads. Thank you!