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Hi Folks,

A couple of questions on transports, which I can't find an answer to anywhere online.

1: can multiple units get in one transport, up to its capacity?
IE: I have a Battlewagon with a capacity of 20 ork infantry. I have two squads of 10 Boyz. Can both squads get in?
The rules refer to 'unitS' in a transport so I'm guessing multiple squads can embark?

2: can only part of a squad get in a transport, so long as unit coherency is maintained?
IE: I have two Trukks sitting next to each other with capacity of 12 ork infantry each. I have a squad of 20 Boyz. Can the boyz embark into both trukks, as long as the trukks stay within 2" of each other?


And a final one on detachments:
There is a -1 CP penalty for the Auxiliary Support Detachment which consists of a single unit of any kind.
If I have, say, a random Battlewagon, is it automatically an Auxiliary Support Detachment?
Until seeing that I was of the opinion it's up to the player to decide if their units are in Detachments but that would imply they are automatically assigned...

Thanks for any clarification

1. Yes, because the transport only cares about models now, not units

2. No, all models in a unit must be able to fit into a single transport, as the embark and disembark rules clarify that it is units to embark and disembark.

This means transports do note care that you have 3 units in a vehicle, only that the total models in those units do not exceed the transport capacity. However, for embarking on the vehicle, it is still on a unit by unit basis

3. Any model which cannot be placed in a normal detachment (i.e no slots for the unit left) cannot be in a battle forged army unless they are in a auxiliary support detachment.
Do note that super heavy auxiliaries are the exception to this as they have their own detachment

This means that if you want to have a battle forged army, you need every unit in your army in an detachment. If you have only a single battalion, but have no more heavy support slots and wanted another one. (i.e Battlewagon) then you would need to place that battlewagon in either:

a) a new non auxiliary support detachment or

b) an auxiliary support detachment

In the case of matched play, you must have a battleforged army, so must place it in one of these two options.

Open play and Narrative do not care about that

Awesome, thanks for all that

If you have a battalion with 2 HQ and 3 troops you can have 5 transports in there as well.

[All wrong -> ]Dedicated Transports, listed in the unit dataslate, do not take up a detachment slot. They are part of the unit's slot.
Transports that are chosen as a dataslate of their own do need a slot, though.

[ It turns out I've got some reading up to do...]

p5freak wrote:If you have a battalion with 2 HQ and 3 troops you can have 5 transports in there as well.

For clarity, you could have five units with the Dedicated Transport Battlefield Role alongside your two HQ and three Troops choices in that scenario (because a Battalion Detachment allows you one Dedicated Transport choice for each other non-Dedicated Transport choice, for OP's benefit). You couldn't take, for example, five Land Raiders (which are transports) in a Battalion Detachment, because they have the Heavy Support Battlefield Role, and a Battalion Detachment does not have five Heavy Support slots.

Skinnereal wrote:Dedicated Transports, listed in the unit dataslate, do not take up a detachment slot. They are part of the unit's slot.
Transports that are chosen as a dataslate of their own do need a slot, though.

'Dedicated Transport' is its own Battlefield Role in 8th edition. Other units' datasheets no longer list Dedicated Transports as an option.

 Skinnereal wrote:
Dedicated Transports, listed in the unit dataslate, do not take up a detachment slot. They are part of the unit's slot.
Transports that are chosen as a dataslate of their own do need a slot, though.

Completely and utterly untrue. Dedicated Transports require a Dedicated Transport slot in the detachment, the same way an HQ needs an HQ slot, a Troops needs a Troops slot, etc.

Some (but not all) detachments have one Dedicated Transport slot for every other unit taken in the detachment.

And it should also be noted: that you can take a 'Dedicated Transport' unit, in detachments that allow them to be taken, even if there are no units that can be transported in it.

An AM spearhead det. with all Leman Russ tanks could still take Chimeras, even though the LRBT clearly cannot fit inside them!

As a related question on transports:

When one gets destroyed and I have multiple units inside (say a Chimera, with a CC, command squad, special weapons squad and a Commissar), do I roll per unit to see who gets killed, or do I just roll a number of dice equal to the number of models?
So either: roll 1 for cc, 4 for Command squad, 6 for the SW squad, and another 1 for the Commissar; or just roll 12 dice and pick who dies from all of the models (clearly the lasgun guys first!)?

You roll one dice for every model inside a transport when it goes boom. For every 1 you roll one model of your choice dies.

 Kcalehc wrote:
When one gets destroyed and I have multiple units inside (say a Chimera, with a CC, command squad, special weapons squad and a Commissar), do I roll per unit to see who gets killed, or do I just roll a number of dice equal to the number of models?
So either: roll 1 for cc, 4 for Command squad, 6 for the SW squad, and another 1 for the Commissar; or just roll 12 dice and pick who dies from all of the models (clearly the lasgun guys first!)?

In 8th edition, you do not roll this test by unit. You roll a number of dice equal to however many models are in the unit, and for every roll of 1 you choose a model to be slain. It doesn't matter what units they come from, just that one model is slain for every roll of 1.