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In case nobody has seen it, it's silly.

It replaces a Storm Bolter and it gains AP-1 and D2. Then it gets Assault 4. Then it gets the Helfrost rule because.

Why do they get a better shooting weapon than the Dark Angels and Vanilla Marines? At least Fury of Deimos is better at horses right?

I suspect we'll be seeing a large amount of power creep with this codex. Space Wolf players will be happy. I was entertaining doing a retro Space Wolf force, but I probably won't now.

PS: I play Eldar Craftworld (non-named), and Chaos Renegades...I don't even use relics most games. They're that bad in my books, lol.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
In case nobody has seen it, it's silly.

It replaces a Storm Bolter and it gains AP-1 and D2. Then it gets Assault 4. Then it gets the Helfrost rule because.

Why do they get a better shooting weapon than the Dark Angels and Vanilla Marines? At least Fury of Deimos is better at horses right?

well it's worth noting that the space wolves Melee weapon is worse.

(Space Wolf)Krackenbone sword: S: +1 AP -4 D: 1 cost: 7 points
(Space Marine)Teeth of Terra: S +1 AP -2 D 2 May make an additional 1d3 attacks. Cost: 0 points
(Space Marine) Burning Blade S +2 AP-5 D1 cost: 5 points

so yeaaaah, there is that.




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 Elbows wrote:
I suspect we'll be seeing a large amount of power creep with this codex. Space Wolf players will be happy. I was entertaining doing a retro Space Wolf force, but I probably won't now.

PS: I play Eldar Craftworld (non-named), and Chaos Renegades...I don't even use relics most games. They're that bad in my books, lol.

Honest to god question, but how can a relic be bad given they're free?

You forgot that Krakenbone has Shred so...

The only thing, and I mean the only thing, that Wolves relic storm bolter has over the Dark Angels one is the Helfrost-like rule. If this is all the power creep there is, I'm not worried.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You forgot that Krakenbone has Shred so...

right I missed that my bad.

If anyone should have a STORM BOLTER it's probably the drunken vikings that like wolves a bit to much.

BrianDavion wrote:
Honest to god question, but how can a relic be bad given they're free?

They cost either limited slot or CP.

My only guess is perhaps the Wolves are a testing ground for 8.5 level Marines.

That or GW finally learned that bolter relics need some kick for people to want to use them.

I wouldn't call that power creep. Assault is obviously better than rapid fire, but it's a point of strength less, which makes it noticeably worse at killing the things you're shooting a fancy bolter at, and you do have to pay a couple of points for it. The mortal wound thing is super niche, and won't matter the vast majority of the time, so doesn't weigh much on the comparison. Not that bad a comparison, but it fits the aggressive nature of the wolves better.

Besides, power creep is when the average power increases, not when something below par is exceeded. A cp regeneration relic that worked on a 4+ would be creep, but I don't really see people jumping through hoops to get one better bolter in their armies.

I have a Rune Priest on a bike with a Storm bolter. I thought he was shooty before, now he's just insane. It will be almost as good as having a Custodes Jetbike Captain with hurricane bolter.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I have a Rune Priest on a bike with a Storm bolter. I thought he was shooty before, now he's just insane. It will be almost as good as having a Custodes Jetbike Captain with hurricane bolter.

enjoy it well it lasts, he'll be index only

BrianDavion wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I have a Rune Priest on a bike with a Storm bolter. I thought he was shooty before, now he's just insane. It will be almost as good as having a Custodes Jetbike Captain with hurricane bolter.

enjoy it well it lasts, he'll be index only

Thank God for the FAQ concerning legacy rules still being legal.

I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

Living Lightning is gonna be good but it'll take some trickyness to get off right, that said if someone have firing lines of large numbers of 5 man units then yes it'll rip through them like a hot knife through butter.,

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

Yeah I noticed as well how potent the Space Wolves psychic stuff would be. For my all Deathwatch Primaris army (Except characters because Primaris characters are garbage in deathwatch) I can see myself paying two command points to include a space wolves Primaris librarian. One to bring just them in an auxillary detachment and 1 to give them the relic armor. Take lightning and freaky jerry and watch him do very well for himself in combat.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

Spoletta wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

The problem is now spacewolfs are worth marines current points cost while no other chapter is, BA and DA are closer than vanilla but not there yet.
If Space furries see a massive powerjump like it looks their is going to be no price cuts for other marines so it consigns 3 codex's to the unplayable bin alongside Grey knights

As GW has a pathological aversion to just admitting that its marine and marines +1 codex and now marines +2 codex and assigning points cost accordingly.

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

The problem is now spacewolfs are worth marines current points cost while no other chapter is, BA and DA are closer than vanilla but not there yet.
If Space furries see a massive powerjump like it looks their is going to be no price cuts for other marines so it consigns 3 codex's to the unplayable bin alongside Grey knights

As GW has a pathological aversion to just admitting that its marine and marines +1 codex and now marines +2 codex and assigning points cost accordingly.

If SW are marines that are worth the price there's always a chance that other flavours of marines could get updated in chapter approved.

 IronBrand wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

The problem is now spacewolfs are worth marines current points cost while no other chapter is, BA and DA are closer than vanilla but not there yet.
If Space furries see a massive powerjump like it looks their is going to be no price cuts for other marines so it consigns 3 codex's to the unplayable bin alongside Grey knights

As GW has a pathological aversion to just admitting that its marine and marines +1 codex and now marines +2 codex and assigning points cost accordingly.

If SW are marines that are worth the price there's always a chance that other flavours of marines could get updated in chapter approved.

They couldn't add enough rules to make vanilla marine units playable without loosing the marines +1 of Emo and Vampire marines and the +2 look of Furrie Marines. The last changes GW made to the vanilla codex was points increases not decreases.

BrianDavion wrote:




Honest to god question, but how can a relic be bad given they're free?

well they could be either be worse then normal weapons, or give something you do not want or the characters that are valid in your codex can't take relics. Vide GK relics, unless they would come with extre free points you would not want them. Maybe if you could give them to squad leaders.

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Honest to god question, but how can a relic be bad given they're free?

They cost either limited slot or CP.

Yes the free one uses a single limited slot.

So why would you not use one?

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

The problem is now spacewolfs are worth marines current points cost while no other chapter is, BA and DA are closer than vanilla but not there yet.
If Space furries see a massive powerjump like it looks their is going to be no price cuts for other marines so it consigns 3 codex's to the unplayable bin alongside Grey knights

As GW has a pathological aversion to just admitting that its marine and marines +1 codex and now marines +2 codex and assigning points cost accordingly.

From what the spoilers are saying, i'm not seeing anything that makes SW better than BA or DA.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Honest to god question, but how can a relic be bad given they're free?

They cost either limited slot or CP.

Yes the free one uses a single limited slot.

So why would you not use one?

Because there are better relics than the bad ones?

Just because some relics are bad doesn't mean ALL are bad.

Spoletta wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

The problem is now spacewolfs are worth marines current points cost while no other chapter is, BA and DA are closer than vanilla but not there yet.
If Space furries see a massive powerjump like it looks their is going to be no price cuts for other marines so it consigns 3 codex's to the unplayable bin alongside Grey knights

As GW has a pathological aversion to just admitting that its marine and marines +1 codex and now marines +2 codex and assigning points cost accordingly.

From what the spoilers are saying, i'm not seeing anything that makes SW better than BA or DA.

Full codex reivews are out on youtube and oh boy do TWC look like the most broken marine unit along with wolfen with the correct build.

tneva82 wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Honest to god question, but how can a relic be bad given they're free?

They cost either limited slot or CP.

Yes the free one uses a single limited slot.

So why would you not use one?

Because there are better relics than the bad ones?

Just because some relics are bad doesn't mean ALL are bad.

Did you not read what BD was replying to?

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

The problem is now spacewolfs are worth marines current points cost while no other chapter is, BA and DA are closer than vanilla but not there yet.
If Space furries see a massive powerjump like it looks their is going to be no price cuts for other marines so it consigns 3 codex's to the unplayable bin alongside Grey knights

As GW has a pathological aversion to just admitting that its marine and marines +1 codex and now marines +2 codex and assigning points cost accordingly.

From what the spoilers are saying, i'm not seeing anything that makes SW better than BA or DA.

Full codex reivews are out on youtube and oh boy do TWC look like the most broken marine unit along with wolfen with the correct build.

What say it isn’t so, SW are marines turned up to 12 and slathered in cheese that’s never happened before *snigger*

SeanDrake wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am not too bothered about the bolter. Living Lightning and the Freki and Geri psychic powers seem OP to me.

Whats that, SWs hate maleficarum - well SW armies are going to be packing psykers in like Malefic Lords pre-nerf!

As previously said, it's not creep if they are just stepping up something that didn't work. Librarians are costed to be in melee, and they are finally starting to understand what it takes for a librarian to get in there. Even with Freki and Geri i'm not sure that they are going to be that good.

The problem is now spacewolfs are worth marines current points cost while no other chapter is, BA and DA are closer than vanilla but not there yet.
If Space furries see a massive powerjump like it looks their is going to be no price cuts for other marines so it consigns 3 codex's to the unplayable bin alongside Grey knights

As GW has a pathological aversion to just admitting that its marine and marines +1 codex and now marines +2 codex and assigning points cost accordingly.

From what the spoilers are saying, i'm not seeing anything that makes SW better than BA or DA.

Full codex reivews are out on youtube and oh boy do TWC look like the most broken marine unit along with wolfen with the correct build.

What say it isn’t so, SW are marines turned up to 12 and slathered in cheese that’s never happened before *snigger*

You not a fan of the fenris special of brie wrapped in cheddar, sprinkled with mozzarella dipped in guda?

tneva82 wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Honest to god question, but how can a relic be bad given they're free?

They cost either limited slot or CP.

Yes the free one uses a single limited slot.

So why would you not use one?

Because there are better relics than the bad ones?

Just because some relics are bad doesn't mean ALL are bad.

In this case I was responding to someone saying ALL Eldar relics are bad, I mean sure none are great but for freebies there's gotta be something you can toss on there

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Honest to god question, but how can a relic be bad given they're free?

They cost either limited slot or CP.

Yes the free one uses a single limited slot.

So why would you not use one?

Because there are better relics than the bad ones?

Just because some relics are bad doesn't mean ALL are bad.

In this case I was responding to someone saying ALL Eldar relics are bad, I mean sure none are great but for freebies there's gotta be something you can toss on there

Exactly. Doesn't matter how bad they are - they're not so bad you'd rather not take them for zero cost.