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Hey folks,

I have a question regarding Pistols. In my region, we've been playing that a unit of infantry outside of a close combat can shoot into that close combat with their Pistols, so long as the target is the closest enemy unit. However, over on the Specialist Games Forums, I was informed that Pistols don't work like that in Kill Team. I was 99% sure they worked functionally identical, so I checked my Main 40k rulebook that I currently have on hand, and now I'm questioning whether I can in regular 40k too! Here's the passage:

A model can fire a Pistol even if there are enemy units within 1" of its own unit, but it must target the closest enemy unit. In such circumstances, the model can shoot its Pistol even if other friendly units are within 1" of the same enemy unit.

The way the local area here has been playing has been that the "even if other friendly units are within 1 inch" part means that a unit outside the combat can shoot into it. But the way that Specialist Games folks thought it, and now which I'm questioning, is whether the "in such circumstances" part effectively means "in the circumstance that there is an enemy unit within 1 inch of this unit, then the model can shoot its Pistol even if other friendly units are within 1 inch of that same enemy unit", and that this line is ignored altogether when this is not the circumstance.

You cant shoot into close combat.

2. Choose Targets

Models cannot target enemy units that
are within 1" of friendly models – the risk
of hitting your own troops is too great.

RAW, however says units, which is plural. So, if there is only one unit, you could target it

Pistols

A model can fire a Pistol even if there are
enemy units within 1" of its own unit, but
it must target the closest enemy unit.

A model which is within 1" of an enemy model can shoot with a pistol. RAW, however pistols dont work, because the model in CC is also within 1" of enemy models. So, yeah.....

OP, no, you can’t in regular 40K.

p5freak, what *are* you on about? The plural thing you posted is nonsense and don’t start the ‘pistols dont work’ rubbish either...

Basically It's worded in a way so that If my pistol unit A is in cc with enemy unit B I can fire my pistols. They can also fire at enemy unit B if my other cc unit C is there as well. Without this wording some may try to claim that by having the 3rd unit C there, would prevent the cc unit A from firing.

This question is still on the front page, and has been asked multiple times. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/762429.page

 JohnnyHell wrote:


p5freak, what *are* you on about? The plural thing you posted is nonsense and don’t start the ‘pistols dont work’ rubbish either...

2. Choose Targets

Models cannot target enemy units that
are within 1" of friendly models – the risk
of hitting your own troops is too great.

Units is plural. If there is only one enemy unit in CC with friendly models i can target it.

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:


p5freak, what *are* you on about? The plural thing you posted is nonsense and don’t start the ‘pistols dont work’ rubbish either...

2. Choose Targets

Models cannot target enemy units that
are within 1" of friendly models – the risk
of hitting your own troops is too great.

Units is plural. If there is only one enemy unit in CC with friendly models i can target it.

Oh my. So if you only have 1 model you can't shoot either? Since it says models? This is some serious pedantry.

 deviantduck wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:


p5freak, what *are* you on about? The plural thing you posted is nonsense and don’t start the ‘pistols dont work’ rubbish either...

2. Choose Targets

Models cannot target enemy units that
are within 1" of friendly models – the risk
of hitting your own troops is too great.

Units is plural. If there is only one enemy unit in CC with friendly models i can target it.

Oh my. So if you only have 1 model you can't shoot either? Since it says models? This is some serious pedantry.

It’s just... I just actually can’t even.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:


p5freak, what *are* you on about? The plural thing you posted is nonsense and don’t start the ‘pistols dont work’ rubbish either...

2. Choose Targets

Models cannot target enemy units that
are within 1" of friendly models – the risk
of hitting your own troops is too great.

Units is plural. If there is only one enemy unit in CC with friendly models i can target it.

Oh my. So if you only have 1 model you can't shoot either? Since it says models? This is some serious pedantry.

It’s just... I just actually can’t even.

RiP Johnny Hell.
Time of Death: 1147am CST (-5 UTC).
Cause of Death: Could no longer even, actually.

Just snorted tea, you legend. Best laugh I’ve had since the last T20 Conscript fallacy!

 deviantduck wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:


p5freak, what *are* you on about? The plural thing you posted is nonsense and don’t start the ‘pistols dont work’ rubbish either...

2. Choose Targets

Models cannot target enemy units that
are within 1" of friendly models – the risk
of hitting your own troops is too great.

Units is plural. If there is only one enemy unit in CC with friendly models i can target it.

Oh my. So if you only have 1 model you can't shoot either? Since it says models? This is some serious pedantry.

It looks like pedantry, but really it's poor reading comprehension. The plural is proper grammar here. "People should not eat sandwiches that are over ten years old - the risk of disease is too great."

Drager wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:


p5freak, what *are* you on about? The plural thing you posted is nonsense and don’t start the ‘pistols dont work’ rubbish either...

2. Choose Targets

Models cannot target enemy units that
are within 1" of friendly models – the risk
of hitting your own troops is too great.

Units is plural. If there is only one enemy unit in CC with friendly models i can target it.

Oh my. So if you only have 1 model you can't shoot either? Since it says models? This is some serious pedantry.

It looks like pedantry, but really it's poor reading comprehension. The plural is proper grammar here. "People should not eat sandwiches that are over ten years old - the risk of disease is too great."

Good to hear! I'll take precisely one of these sandwiches then