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Going to be upfront I'm not a chaos marine player, but I'm wondering what Games Workshop has planned for them in the future. It's clear at some point that standard marines are either at best legacy models or outright done as a model line. To me that has me wondering what the future holds for the heretics. Death Guard and Thousand Sons got new kits but most of the chaos line is fairly dated. The only string that GW has laid is Cawl is an arrogant ass and used traitor gene seed to make some of the Primaris marines. That potentially sets up all kinds of problems and plots

(Final hope, Abaddon deserves a new model and some more focus. For finally having broke the universe in half, Chaos kinda felt like a punching bag post End Times 40k book 1. )

I haven't read much of the new fluff, but I believe there is an excerpt somewhere in the Chaos Codex that says that Fabius Bile is tinkering with Primaris.

So, basically Chaos Primaris.

I think one of the main reasons we haven't seen much Undivided Chaos stuff in the last decade is because they are going to be completely re-designed from the bottom up.

I could be wrong, but thats my hope.

Also, Abaddon will probably be back at some point fully ascended as Horus 2.0. He'll probaby have a huge new model and be strong enough to take on a primarch.

I'm personally hoping for some new daemon engines to appear, as well as a couple more Daemon Prince characters.

I mean, all the big Chaos characters become daemon princes, but the only one we actually have is Be'Lakor (who isn't even a CSM Prince, he's just for Daemons).

Maybe a couple primarchs will come back as just princes, instead of lords of war type models. Or at least some of the characters like Abbadon.

I hope Berzerkers get a new kit to bring them in scale with the new DG and T-Sons kits, but I hope they are still multipart!

I'd also like all the usual stuff too, updated CSM kit, Havocs, maybe even a Defiler update?


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Also, more unique characters!

AoS guys get Slambo, where is our throwback resculpt?!

At this point we can only speculate. Emperor's Children and World Eaters are likely to come next with their Primarchs and new Cult troop boxes.

After that? Well, it would certainly be cool to see at least a set for CSM/Havocs/Chosen for undivided Legions with a load of stuff in it. But I think it will be years until that. But when they come, they'll be Primaris sized. I'd find it okay if they either don't explain the size difference at all, but it'd also be okay if they were either Fabius creations or renegade Primaris to tone down the mary-sue-ness of Cawl and Primaris. After all, Fabius created Super Space Marines before it was cool.

As much as I despise Primaris as an idea, I do think Chaos Primaris rules are the next step. It just makes sense from a buisness perspective.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
At this point we can only speculate. Emperor's Children and World Eaters are likely to come next with their Primarchs and new Cult troop boxes.

After that? Well, it would certainly be cool to see at least a set for CSM/Havocs/Chosen for undivided Legions with a load of stuff in it. But I think it will be years until that. But when they come, they'll be Primaris sized. I'd find it okay if they either don't explain the size difference at all, but it'd also be okay if they were either Fabius creations or renegade Primaris to tone down the mary-sue-ness of Cawl and Primaris. After all, Fabius created Super Space Marines before it was cool.

I don't think we'll ever see new Chosen/Havoc/regular CSM boxes. We'll get Chaos Primaris, and with them the equivalent of Hellblasters, Interecessors, etc. New units with new weapons that fill equivalent battlefield roles.

And a few more mecha dinosaurs!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
And a few more mecha dinosaurs!

pfft, it'll be mecha sharks, that shoot lasers from their eyes and breath chaos tornados

While perhaps a bit cynical...I can see GW aiming far more toward Khorne/Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzeentch based armies (ala Death Guard, Thousand Sons) and letting basic Chaos Space Marines fade a bit. Of the remaining stuff (basic CSM, Slaanesh, and Khorne)...I can't see GW jumping at the chance to do basic Chaos stuff. It helps keep more lines of product flowing, and helps protect IP easier than "evil space marines".

As always, I'd like to be wrong, but I think more specialized Chaos is the way forward from GW's perspective.

Here's the Chaos Marine Player Certified Wishlist for GW to Make That We Are Totally Convinced is Coming Despite Lack of Evidence Because All We Have are Random Rumors and Reverb of Speculation

1. Abaddon
2. Chaos Space Marines
3. Emperor's Children Codex
4. Fulgrim
5. Noise Marines
6. Emperor's Children Terminators
7. World Eaters Codex
8. Angron
9. Khorne Berzerkers
10. World Eaters Terminators
11. Fabius Bile
12. Lucius the Eternal
13. Emperor's Children Chaff-Type Unit
14. World Eaters Chaff-Type Unit

drbored wrote:
Here's the Chaos Marine Player Certified Wishlist for GW to Make That We Are Totally Convinced is Coming Despite Lack of Evidence Because All We Have are Random Rumors and Reverb of Speculation

1. Abaddon
2. Chaos Space Marines
3. Emperor's Children Codex
4. Fulgrim
5. Noise Marines
6. Emperor's Children Terminators
7. World Eaters Codex
8. Angron
9. Khorne Berzerkers
10. World Eaters Terminators
11. Fabius Bile
12. Lucius the Eternal
13. Emperor's Children Chaff-Type Unit
14. World Eaters Chaff-Type Unit

I am curious to see how noise marines get reimagined. The RT original was cool in a goofy kinda way, but the later iterations were on the goofy side of an already silly idea.

Chaos Marines are finished - and by that I mean, they simply aren't allowed anything "new".

If they had it when they turned traitor, they're allowed to keep it - but you'll never see Chaos versions of new Imperial technology. Which means... daemon-tech, at best.

My (somewhat) realistic wish list/expectations:

1. Characters redone that need it. (Abbadon)
2.New Emperor's Children
3. New Khorne Berserkers
4. Plastic Havoks (or at least some way to fake it, like having a heavy bolter and missile launcher in a troops box, Autocannon and Lascannon in a Chosen box, etc.)
5 Primaris for Chaos.


I'd like to see Primaris for Chaos be as flexible as Imperial counterparts are inflexible. Make them squads of 3-10, able to be armed with any combination of rifle, plasma, pistol &ccw, etc. Make them Elites, and call them Fabius Bile's "new men".

fe40k wrote:
Chaos Marines are finished - and by that I mean, they simply aren't allowed anything "new".

If they had it when they turned traitor, they're allowed to keep it - but you'll never see Chaos versions of new Imperial technology. Which means... daemon-tech, at best.

Of course you will. Chaos includes 'renegades and heretics', and the army is even called 'HERETIC ASTARTES' now. This means any squad or legion or individual character who gets turned by a daemon weapon or corrupted by psykers or anything like that (you know, the way that fully half of the original 20 legions all did), then that technology will also pass into Chaos.

It does mean that those things will be rarer, and so should be uncommon... but then there's only -meant- to be one Guilliman, but turns out he fights with any old band of infantry and often joins in with Celestine and ... I mean you get the point. Rare is common as much in the grimdark future.

Also, I believe the fluff has already stated that Fabius has gotten hold of the Primaris gene seed and is experimenting with it. And even before the Heresy he was experimenting with the gene seed to create new things. So there's a bunch of stuff that can be done easily.

So yeh, Primaris is likely, and as it won't actually cost GW anything to develop or design the moulds as all the work has already been done you can pretty much guarantee that they'll do it to make some free money from chaos players.

Saying all that - I would -love- some new daemon engines. Some Centurion Obliterators would be cool too.

Edit: Also you're clearly wrong anyway, as Death Guard got new elites, and 2 new tanks and a new flying dreadnought type thing. So someone or something out there is clearly experimenting.

fe40k wrote:
Chaos Marines are finished - and by that I mean, they simply aren't allowed anything "new".

If they had it when they turned traitor, they're allowed to keep it - but you'll never see Chaos versions of new Imperial technology. Which means... daemon-tech, at best.

This is simply false. Chaos manufacture things, half the Mechanicus turned Chaos during the he heresy. And they aren't precious about needing the STC either. If they capture current Imperium tech they absolutely will make efforts to reproduce it or use aspects of it to create new things.

drbored wrote:
Here's the Chaos Marine Player Certified Wishlist for GW to Make That We Are Totally Convinced is Coming Despite Lack of Evidence Because All We Have are Random Rumors and Reverb of Speculation

I have no rumours or inside information.

But
Slaanesh Daemons (new KoS) + Emperor's Children (Fulgrim) seems inevitable.
Which in turn leads to Angron+World Eaters.
Abaddon plus Primaris CSM/New Vehicles seems logical.
Finally Dark Mechanicum with more Dinobots.

This is 4 fairly compact releases, with a few boxes & clampacks, so the style they tend to like doing these days. It might not happen until 2030, but its not obviously crazy.

I think the odds of a new CSM box, or havocs, is pretty remote.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
And a few more mecha dinosaurs!

Agreed. Chaos T-Rex the size of a Knight and Laser Raptors the size of Armigers. Stratagems would include stuff like Jurassic Warp, Lizard Stampede and Gobble up the mammals.

It is inevitable that CSM, sorry, Heretic Astartes, will be replaced by something even more protectable under current IP law.

drbored wrote:
Here's the Chaos Marine Player Certified Wishlist for GW to Make That We Are Totally Convinced is Coming Despite Lack of Evidence Because All We Have are Random Rumors and Reverb of Speculation

1. Abaddon
2. Chaos Space Marines
3. Emperor's Children Codex
4. Fulgrim
5. Noise Marines
6. Emperor's Children Terminators
7. World Eaters Codex
8. Angron
9. Khorne Berzerkers
10. World Eaters Terminators
11. Fabius Bile
12. Lucius the Eternal
13. Emperor's Children Chaff-Type Unit
14. World Eaters Chaff-Type Unit

Strong yes, but swap World Eaters and Emp's children.

Quite. Khorne hasn't had a release for four or five minutes.

Best get on it.

Why aren't the noise boys on top of the list?

barboggo wrote:

drbored wrote:
Here's the Chaos Marine Player Certified Wishlist for GW to Make That We Are Totally Convinced is Coming Despite Lack of Evidence Because All We Have are Random Rumors and Reverb of Speculation

1. Abaddon
2. Chaos Space Marines
3. Emperor's Children Codex
4. Fulgrim
5. Noise Marines
6. Emperor's Children Terminators
7. World Eaters Codex
8. Angron
9. Khorne Berzerkers
10. World Eaters Terminators
11. Fabius Bile
12. Lucius the Eternal
13. Emperor's Children Chaff-Type Unit
14. World Eaters Chaff-Type Unit

Strong yes, but swap World Eaters and Emp's children.

What about Doomrider?

Reivers double really well as Night Lords shock troops.

Playing since 2007, Looking through the years our line is by far the most dated. I personally have tow ideas on what they will do to update us.

What will probably happen:

- All Cults will get codex with accompanying primarchs. WE will get Aangron and plastic 'Zerkers, warped up heresy terminators and maybe a 'new' fantasy monster in WE. EC will probably have the biggest re-launch since their line is in dire need of updating. Expect codex, Fulgrim, Lucius, and Bile to get new sculpts. Noise Marines will get a new kit. Expect one totally new unit and warped up heresy terminators. Also plastic daemons that are in FC will get re-done in plastic.

- After that chaos Primaris, because its easy.

- Alongside a new Abandon model, a new codex, new Havoc's/chosen/cultists/oblits/mutilators. If we are lucky maybe a new Huron model.

- That's it. have fun!.


What i would hope for:

- No Primaris. Nothing against them I just would much rather get new updated kits beforehand.

- With new kits what I would love to see is more HH Gear like Volkite stuff warped up. If Primaris and the Imperium are looking towards the future then i want to see CSM Regress back to the days of the Heresy 'maintaining' their weapons through the DM... Of coursed Hereteks will have a bit of fun with this.. Also units from the plastic HH range like Cataphractii and Tartaros termnators to reflect this, still makes me jealous we can't have these units in rules. Instead of Grav we get Volkite Culverins all warped up? Destroyer Squads but even more OTT?

- New characters for ALL Legions. They are taking out characters and option previously available in that force. Give us something new! I would love Decimus in my NL army. Warsmith Honsou? They have a wealth of characters to make and fashion to rage the Long War with. make use of them GW.

- R&H Keyword. It's clear FW have given up on them. I would love to see R&H keyword allies similar to the IK Blood Brothers rule of whatever the GSC will/already have. We have already lost options so replace with some new allies?

- Primrachs. Perty and Lorgar are still around and GW know big boys sell well so bring them back!

- A little unrelated but i would love a DM codex. If that were a thing I would sell most of my armies to invest in one big pseudo-DOOM-esque force..

Doubt we will get anything that inventive but one can dream.

R&H have Faction keyword Chaos, so why can't they ally with CSM or Daemons?

I don't know the IK rule you refer to, but it's my understanding that GSC have that rule because they and AM don't share any Faction keywords.

You can take more than one detachment to go along with each of your main faction detachments too with R&H. GSC only get one AM detachment per GSC detachment.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
R&H have Faction keyword Chaos, so why can't they ally with CSM or Daemons?

I don't know the IK rule you refer to, but it's my understanding that GSC have that rule because they and AM don't share any Faction keywords.

You can take more than one detachment to go along with each of your main faction detachments too with R&H. GSC only get one AM detachment per GSC detachment.

They do but it is in the FW Index and that will probably phase out at one point because A) It's an index B) FW have ceased production of so much of the R&H line it's clear they won't get back to them or if they do it won't be for years. and C) FW are making new Index's for Custodes and SoS. I can imagine when they bring in more new stuff they will update all books at one point phasing out the current AM Index and with it R&H. Better to just give them a R&H keyword so people can still play R&H imo, maybe with more variety in AM toys like the Deathstrike Missile Launcher.

I'm sure there was some Blood Brothers rule somewhere, where you could pick guard infantry squads out as use them alongside IK in the same detachment, they lose some rules like orders and such but the force still counted as mono.

 The Warp Forge wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
R&H have Faction keyword Chaos, so why can't they ally with CSM or Daemons?

I don't know the IK rule you refer to, but it's my understanding that GSC have that rule because they and AM don't share any Faction keywords.

You can take more than one detachment to go along with each of your main faction detachments too with R&H. GSC only get one AM detachment per GSC detachment.

They do but it is in the FW Index and that will probably phase out at one point because A) It's an index B) FW have ceased production of so much of the R&H line it's clear they won't get back to them or if they do it won't be for years. and C) FW are making new Index's for Custodes and SoS. I can imagine when they bring in more new stuff they will update all books at one point phasing out the current AM Index and with it R&H. Better to just give them a R&H keyword so people can still play R&H imo, maybe with more variety in AM toys like the Deathstrike Missile Launcher.

I'm sure there was some Blood Brothers rule somewhere, where you could pick guard infantry squads out as use them alongside IK in the same detachment, they lose some rules like orders and such but the force still counted as mono.

Hmm. I guess that's possible, but I don't remember FW ever just randomly killing a book.

For clarity, I'm not suggesting the Blood Brothers rule doesn't exist, I'm just not familiar with it.

 Strg Alt wrote:

barboggo wrote:

drbored wrote:
Here's the Chaos Marine Player Certified Wishlist for GW to Make That We Are Totally Convinced is Coming Despite Lack of Evidence Because All We Have are Random Rumors and Reverb of Speculation

1. Abaddon
2. Chaos Space Marines
3. Emperor's Children Codex
4. Fulgrim
5. Noise Marines
6. Emperor's Children Terminators
7. World Eaters Codex
8. Angron
9. Khorne Berzerkers
10. World Eaters Terminators
11. Fabius Bile
12. Lucius the Eternal
13. Emperor's Children Chaff-Type Unit
14. World Eaters Chaff-Type Unit

Strong yes, but swap World Eaters and Emp's children.

What about Doomrider?

He's dead, the White Scars Master of the Hunt Killed him in single combat and took his laughing head to Chorgoris.

 The Warp Forge wrote:


- A little unrelated but i would love a DM codex. If that were a thing I would sell most of my armies to invest in one big pseudo-DOOM-esque force..

Doubt we will get anything that inventive but one can dream.

You said it a few times, but the dakka abbreviation tool doesn't work for it... DM?