Warhammer {{{40k}}} Quest - Blackstone Fortress

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**Bharring**

Not necessarily the oldest:

-Asurmen is said to have been a legendary hero of the Eldar people before they turned inward/ran out of enemies. I'm fairly sure that was just a throwaway fluff piece that isn't followed, but if true, he's not much younger. In addition to adding far more than 10k years of age in the last 10k years of "calendar time".

-Avatars of Khaine are parts of Khaine himself, according to some fluff. Who is *much* older than Mankind itself.

-Any Necron character ever. Even the generic ones.

Also - fairly sure UR's gun translates to 'Assault Cannon Mark I', not just 'Assault Cannon' (hence the lower stats).

**techsoldaten**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
He wasn't asking what is a Man of Iron.

I've been rolling my eyes here reading all he speculation about him - I found the hole "men of Iron, Stone and Gold" thing a bit boring and have ignored it for the past fifteen or twenty years, but I admit, I like the idea of an ancient AI hiding in the fringes.

Reminds me of

Spoiler:

The Algebraist

No one likes the Algebraist. His attitude was too variable, never knew how things were going to add up.

Similar with the Geometrist. Took a class with him once, he was too sharp. Threw off the curve.

I did like the Trigonometrist. Every time I wanted to go out, he knew how to get there.

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Kriswall wrote:
techsoldaten wrote:
Rydria wrote:
techsoldaten wrote:
Rydria wrote:
Wait is that a man of iron ?

Dark Age of Technology. Apparently, these things almost wiped out mankind. Lead to a general skepticism of artificial intelligence in the 40k universe.
Let's hope it fulfils what ever nefarious goals it may have, so that we can get a men of iron army

Could be a good thing. Necrons would finally get allies. People would stop complaining about soup.

Why would the Necrons and Men of Iron be friends? Necrons aren't really AIs. The Canoptek stuff is, but the humanoid Necrons used to be people. It's not quite the same. Also, wouldn't really address the issues with soup. Would just add more soup.

Shared enjoyment of destroying the puny humans.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

techsoldaten wrote:
Rydria wrote:
techsoldaten wrote:
Rydria wrote:
Wait is that a man of iron ?

Dark Age of Technology. Apparently, these things almost wiped out mankind. Lead to a general skepticism of artificial intelligence in the 40k universe.
Let's hope it fulfils what ever nefarious goals it may have, so that we can get a men of iron army

Could be a good thing. Necrons would finally get allies. People would stop complaining about soup.

Reckon they may find common cause with The Imperium, overall. Everyone else will just try to smash them, blast them, loot them or eat them on sight!

**Leggy**

techsoldaten wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Rydria wrote:
techsoldaten wrote:
Rydria wrote:
Wait is that a man of iron ?

Dark Age of Technology. Apparently, these things almost wiped out mankind. Lead to a general skepticism of artificial intelligence in the 40k universe.
Let's hope it fulfils what ever nefarious goals it may have, so that we can get a men of iron army

Nefarious aims? It sounds like he just wants to find a friend.

Also, that fluff make him the oldest character in the game with a model

I think the Necrons get to claim that.

Urgh. You're right. Definitely brainfarted there

**lord_blackfang**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oooooh!

OMG It's exactly what I hoped for!

**the_scotsman**

TheGuest wrote:
The Ranger
Only one per army
M7" WS3+ BS2+ S3 T3 W3 A2 Ld7 Sv5+

Ranger Long Rifle 36" Heavy 1 S4 AP0 D1 can target character even if it's not the closest. Additionnal Mortal Wound on 6+ on wound roll.
Power Blade Melee SUser AP-2 D1
Plasma Grenade 6" GrenadeD6 S4 AP-1 D1

Ancestral Bane : can reroll failed hit roll for this unit when she is charging or being charged by a slaanesh unit. But you must add 1 to its moral test if a slaanesh unit is below 3".
Warrior Trance : If this model move or advance she can use her weapons (except heavy weapons) as if she hasn't moved.
Phase Cristal : (difficult to read sorry) she can move through ennemy model and terrain as if it weren't there and Invulnerable Save 4+ (? not so sure about this one)
Spontaneous appearance : During deployment you can set this model one the webway instead than on the battlefield. At the start of the first round but before the first turn, you can set it up anywhere on the battlefield, >9" of enemy miniatures.
Cameleolin cape : your adversary must substract 1 to its hit rolls while shooting with range weapons targeting this character. Moreover add 2 instead of 1 on the save roll for this miniature when it's hidden in terrain.

(sorry if I don't use the correct technical terms on this one)

So she's a 3 wound ranger with a melee weapon and, presumably, character.

Based on these amazing rules I think I have a good idea of what the Kroot character does in 40k.

Hint: it's going to be as high-effort a reimagining of the kroot's shtick in 40k as a typical hollywood remake.

**lord_blackfang**

If we get resurgent Men of Iron as a 40k faction I will forgive GW 25% of its sins.

**the_scotsman**

Also, rules for the cultist:

M6" WS3+ BS4+ S3 T3 W3 A3 LD7 SV7+

Her ranged weapon is a heavy flamer that gets flamier if the person it gets shot at has the Chaos keyword. You roll 2 dice take the highest for shots if the target is Chaos lol.

In melee it's S+1 AP-1 D1

She has a 5+ FNP

She can reroll hits in melee during any round in which she charged, was charged, or made a heroic intervention.

Also a character.

**Bharring**

While she has the stats of a Ranger, as a character instead of a squaddie, she'll perform just a little differently.

With Character protection, she's even harder to shift off a backfield objective without getting close to her. Despite being Biel-Tan, so being unable to take Alaitoc.

She'll probably cost the bulk of the price of a Ranger squad. So have about 25% of the firepower for one model. But nobody takes Rangers for firepower.

**Rydria**

What are the rules for the drone and beastmen ?

**Vector Strike**

Men of Iron? YESSSSS

I want an army of it NOW

**lord_blackfang**

Drone rules please! What is their faction?

**GoatboyBeta**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Reckon they may find common cause with The Imperium, overall. Everyone else will just try to smash them, blast them, loot them or eat them on sight!

If more comes of this(and its still a big if). I think UR-025's 40K sheet having the new "Robotica Imperialis" keyword, along side the existing "Imperium" keyword is a good indicator that we could be looking at the vanguard of yet another Imperial sub faction. A robot faction that everyone(including the AM) thinks is under human control but is secretly working on its own agenda could be fun. Especially if that agenda is not something boring like "kill all the humans" but more like "save the humans from themselves, even if they object".

**the_scotsman**

The Priest

M6" WS4+ BS4+ S3 T3 W4 A3 LD7 SV6+

He's got a laspistol, a servo-skull (which is another pistol with 3 shots and S4), and a power maul.

He has the same reroll to hit in melee when he charges was charged etc.

He has the same Hymns of War ability the standard priest has

He has a 4++.

So, identical to a priest, but with the little servo skull 3 shot pistol dealie, which could admittedly be funny in long combats to just have him dumping four pistol shots straight to the face of his opponents each round. If he's like a 5 point upgrade over a normal priest he might be cute.

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Rydria wrote:
What are the rules for the drone and beastmen ?

We only have imperials, and also only in french, so that's all you're gonnag et from me for now.

**BoomWolf**

TheGuest wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
TheGuest wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Thank you!

Now please tell us what they actually say...

Ask what you want exactly to translate and I'll translate it.
But I wont do everything... (because I want to paint this evening)

I will finish learning French if you show us the adversary data sheets.

I didn't took pictures for it.

But... These were the most interesting...

**the_scotsman**

Navigator

M6" WS5+ BS5+ S3 T3 W3 A2 Ld7 Sv6+

He's got a laspistol and a "force orb cane" which is S user ap- D3 damage.

He has a 4++, casts one power and knows smite.

Then he has a doozy of an ability that I THINK says this, paraphrased:

"The third eye: When you take a psychic test to cast Smite, you must choose an enemy within 12" and visible. If there is not an enemy this close, you may not cast Smite. This unit suffers the mortal wounds even if there is another enemy closer to Navigator Dude."

So he smites at 12" but doesn't have to hit the closest.

**Tyranid Horde**

Found the how to play video pretty decent, Becca Scott was an odd personality for GW to present it but probably gave it the enthusiasm it needed.

Yeah this is a definite buy.

**Mysterio**

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Reckon they may find common cause with The Imperium, overall. Everyone else will just try to smash them, blast them, loot them or eat them on sight!

If more comes of this(and its still a big if). I think UR-025's 40K sheet having the new "Robotica Imperialis" keyword, along side the existing "Imperium" keyword is a good indicator that we could be looking at the vanguard of yet another Imperial sub faction. A robot faction that everyone(including the AM) thinks is under human control but is secretly working on its own agenda could be fun. Especially if that agenda is not something boring like "kill all the humans" but more like "save the humans from themselves, even if they object".

I like that a lot!

Feels a bit too subtle for GW - especially since they rejected the premise of the Alpha Legion/Cabal stuff for a more straightforward Baby Stapling approach.

But I hope your version comes to pass!

**TheGuest**

BoomWolf wrote:

But... These were the most interesting...

I'm sorry but I found this to consolate you:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/breaking-new-blackstone-fortress-chaos-40k-rules.html

**H.B.M.C.**

Can we please get some good pics of the tiles?

**streetsamurai**

zedmeister wrote:
Ok, didn't make it very far into that how to play video. Found it a bit annoying. Anyone fancy highlighting any useful parts?

Indeed, it's an utterly horrible video. Much too long and annoying. They should have taken example on how KD presented their game in their first KS campaign

**Rydria**

TheGuest wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:

But... These were the most interesting...

I'm sorry but I found this to consolate you:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/breaking-new-blackstone-fortress-chaos-40k-rules.html

Thanks, shame you can only take them in such small units especially with the cap on how many squads you can have :(

**MajorWesJanson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can we please get some good pics of the tiles?

All the complaints about potato phone leak pics and now you want pictures of the floor!

:p

**Mr Morden**

Tyranid Horde wrote:
Found the how to play video pretty decent, Becca Scott was an odd personality for GW to present it but probably gave it the enthusiasm it needed.

Yeah this is a definite buy.

Well she is fun, enthuiastic, clearly spoken and cute - perfect person to present a games video really. GW has evolved

Notice shock horror - two girls playing the game!

Love the background on the robot - very cool.

**Not Online!!!**

Yay, the chaos part is utter gak and servants / black legion only.
Fixed size and equipment for traitor guard, needless limits such as only 2 squads 1 squad, etc.
Better off just play them as csm /R&H units then.

**lord_blackfang**

TheGuest wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:

But... These were the most interesting...

I'm sorry but I found this to consolate you:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/breaking-new-blackstone-fortress-chaos-40k-rules.html

As expected, just like in Rogue Trader everything is capped to the contents of a single box, because everyone knows the maximum number of traitor guard that can ever take part in a battle is exactly 14. But I'm sure the regular apologists will be along in no time to explain how this is the best thing ever. The whole Chaos force is also burdened with a huge wall of text that does nothing but say "All this crap is a single drop" but GW needs an 11 line paragraph to explain it because some idiot at the studio sure loves hearing himself type.

Spindle Drones are cool tho. I don't even know how you can field them at all with their non-faction faction but the special rule is cool.

**Either/Or**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Yay, the chaos part is utter gak and servants / black legion only.
Fixed size and equipment for traitor guard, needless limits such as only 2 squads 1 squad, etc.
Better off just play them as csm /R&H units then.

To be fair, this is the approach they took with kill team rogue trader, so not much of a surprise. Hopefully we will see similar units fleshed out more in new codexes.

**Not Online!!!**

Either/Or wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Yay, the chaos part is utter gak and servants / black legion only.
Fixed size and equipment for traitor guard, needless limits such as only 2 squads 1 squad, etc.
Better off just play them as csm /R&H units then.

To be fair, this is the approach they took with kill team rogue trader, so not much of a surprise. Hopefully we will see similar units fleshed out more in new codexes.

Feth that noise, it was not correct what happened to the Rogue traders and this nonsense is even worse because you can only generate a fething patrol with all these units.
They should've learned but no, learning is for morons it seems.
They should have known better, even for Rogue traider and gellerpox.
It just once again shows a lack of competencie and or coordination and communication.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Mysterio wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Reckon they may find common cause with The Imperium, overall. Everyone else will just try to smash them, blast them, loot them or eat them on sight!

If more comes of this(and its still a big if). I think UR-025's 40K sheet having the new "Robotica Imperialis" keyword, along side the existing "Imperium" keyword is a good indicator that we could be looking at the vanguard of yet another Imperial sub faction. A robot faction that everyone(including the AM) thinks is under human control but is secretly working on its own agenda could be fun. Especially if that agenda is not something boring like "kill all the humans" but more like "save the humans from themselves, even if they object".

I like that a lot!

Feels a bit too subtle for GW - especially since they rejected the premise of the Alpha Legion/Cabal stuff for a more straightforward Baby Stapling approach.

But I hope your version comes to pass!

Well, it’s a Faction which could ultimately reflect the direction us Nerds want it to go in.

They could be allies - staunch or of convenience. They may well have an ulterior motive. That much can be made clear, whilst by only hinting at it, remains open to match popular demand. Or frustrate it as the writers see fit.

Heck, we don’t even know if a sentient robot faction would be entirely united. Some might seek reconciliation at any cost. Some with caveats, others yet being entirely hostile, and every shade in between.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Either/Or wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Yay, the chaos part is utter gak and servants / black legion only.
Fixed size and equipment for traitor guard, needless limits such as only 2 squads 1 squad, etc.
Better off just play them as csm /R&H units then.

To be fair, this is the approach they took with kill team rogue trader, so not much of a surprise. Hopefully we will see similar units fleshed out more in new codexes.

Feth that noise, it was not correct what happened to the Rogue traders and this nonsense is even worse because you can only generate a fething patrol with all these units.
They should've learned but no, learning is for morons it seems.
They should have known better, even for Rogue traider and gellerpox.

Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe*, these are simply ‘get you by’ rules, pending a new Codex to cover a long forgotten faction?

*it is. I have no insider info. But it is. Trust me, 6 months, 12 months absolute tops. We’lll have it in our grubby mitts.

**Luciferian**

I'm just miffed they didn't include any explicit rules for using the models in Kill Team