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Just out of curiosity, did we ever get to see the rules (40k or BSF) for the Zoat?

Heres hoping it moves back to AoS for the next Quest run, expanding on some of the creatures introduced through Warcry would be fantastic, plus it introduces a new way to bring in new monster races for the likes of Destruction.
Also, with the number of new factions that have been added, the hero options are great, even if they just focused on Order, although mixing it up a little would be nice.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, did we ever get to see the rules (40k or BSF) for the Zoat?

They’ll be in the box with it, so not yet. We do have Kill Team rules, in White Dwarf iIrc?

 weasel_beef wrote:
Thankfully dungeon crawlers are hot right now...

And as we all know, GW is excellent at striking when the iron is hot...

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Heres hoping it moves back to AoS for the next Quest run, expanding on some of the creatures introduced through Warcry would be fantastic, plus it introduces a new way to bring in new monster races for the likes of Destruction.
Also, with the number of new factions that have been added, the hero options are great, even if they just focused on Order, although mixing it up a little would be nice.

I enjoyed Silver Tower more than Blackstone Fortress (not tried the other AoS Quest, because my group doesn't really like one vs. the rest games). Just seemed generally a lot more fun, with loads of quirky little mechanics and interesting themes for each section. BSF feels like every game is kind of the same and waiting until the end of the mission to get loot is no fun. Only the miniatures really redeem it in my eyes. Regardless of which setting they use for the next WHQ (the Old World is still an option, I believe, as is the Horus Heresy or some other not-quite-40k period, and I guess the Blood Bowl setting unless that is officially in one of the fantasy settings now...) I hope it has more of the spirit of Silver Tower.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 weasel_beef wrote:
Thankfully dungeon crawlers are hot right now...

And as we all know, GW is excellent at striking when the iron is hot...

In a year or two will we see a Battle Royale mode for 40K appear?

 Perfect Organism wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Heres hoping it moves back to AoS for the next Quest run, expanding on some of the creatures introduced through Warcry would be fantastic, plus it introduces a new way to bring in new monster races for the likes of Destruction.
Also, with the number of new factions that have been added, the hero options are great, even if they just focused on Order, although mixing it up a little would be nice.

I enjoyed Silver Tower more than Blackstone Fortress (not tried the other AoS Quest, because my group doesn't really like one vs. the rest games). Just seemed generally a lot more fun, with loads of quirky little mechanics and interesting themes for each section. BSF feels like every game is kind of the same and waiting until the end of the mission to get loot is no fun. Only the miniatures really redeem it in my eyes. Regardless of which setting they use for the next WHQ (the Old World is still an option, I believe, as is the Horus Heresy or some other not-quite-40k period, and I guess the Blood Bowl setting unless that is officially in one of the fantasy settings now...) I hope it has more of the spirit of Silver Tower.

I preferred the tone/story of ST over BSF, but preferred the mechanics of BSF over the artificial/usually non-choices of the ST's labyrinths. Honestly, neither game is all that spectacular, but they're co-ops that can be played casually, so fill a gaming niche. I really don't see a need for another one, though would have liked a continuation of ST.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
In a year or two will we see a Battle Royale mode for 40K appear?

Sounds about right?

Then: 40k Auto-Chess, coming Fall 2022!

If we do see a return to a fantasy theme I hope they bring back the grand sense of progression.

I miss all the little incremental power ups of starting as a lowly mook and working my way up to demigodhood.

At least I'll have Shadows of Brimstone to fill that niche but the Old World version shall always hold a soft spot for me.

I think the game system was best developed in Blackstone, but they have kind of mined the low hanging fruit in the 40K universe for that kind of game now. Vs. Tyranids and Necrons have been done in game systems other than Quest already. Silver Tower was a decent game, but replayability was limited, and I think Hammerhal was hurt by requiring a GM. I’d be down with seeing a better supported Blackstone style game in the AoS setting if there are to be any more games in the Quest series.

Info from the back of the box:

The Blackstone Fortress stirs. The shifting chambers rebuild themselves over and over and ancient defence systems awaken, making navigating the mysterious structure more hazardous than ever. As their aims diverge, the explorers are tested like never before. Doom hangs over Precipice - if anyone is to warn the galaxy about the rising threat of the fortress, each of the survivors will have to confront their destiny.

Requires a copy of Warhammer Quest Blackstone Fortress and Escalation to play.

The box contains:
2 Guardian Drone Citadel Miniatures
15 page Edge of the Abyss booklet
62 (?) cards
11 board tiles
55 counters and markers
1 assembly guide
1 Repository envelope

This box also includes additional secret elements to discover as you continue your quest into the darkness:
1 Ascension booklet
??? cards
1 secret envelope

I do love the idea of a giant spindle drone, but sad to see the run of expansions die. I am still working on the rest, but I thought I would have a long run of catch up as more expansions were issued. Yet to get a proper game in with my own models!

Still, all things come to an end. Perhaps there will be more in WD in future, but who knows.

IMHO what really killed this was the terrible nurgle expansion, and the pricing points more generally here. I could have seen the expansions being more widely bought, but I may be wrong here.

I dont think the expansions sold well~ I was super keen on the thought of them until I saw the prices, which boxed me out on principle. I'm fortune enough to be able to afford them if I wanted, but it's just too much money for too little plastic.

I'm hoping the next incarnation of fantasy is more reasonably priced.

Couldn't agree more. They could have gotten £25 out of me for the Zoat, but they're pricing it at like £50?? + card, so instead of £25 they're getting noting. Many other people have made the same choice as I have and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what killed BSF.

JWBS wrote:
Couldn't agree more. They could have gotten £25 out of me for the Zoat, but they're pricing it at like £50?? + card, so instead of £25 they're getting noting. Many other people have made the same choice as I have and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what killed BSF.

They’re not losing sales. They will get their money when they release the Zoat for 40K, necromunda or anything else. The model will sell, and if it’s digital sculpted, then they can make squads easy. While they lose out on initial sales their investment is still solid. They are just scraping the cream off the top sort to speak.

JWBS wrote:
Couldn't agree more. They could have gotten £25 out of me for the Zoat, but they're pricing it at like £50?? + card, so instead of £25 they're getting noting. Many other people have made the same choice as I have and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what killed BSF.

Did the Zoat box ever make it to the pre-order section? I can't see it on the GW site, but I'd've thought it would've been priced in line with the Ambull or other smaller expansion boxes, in the £35-£37.50 range - which is still expensive for what you get, but not £50 expensive.

Yes, it's £37.50, some online retailers have it for pre-order (Deadly Alliance).

So, I've only looked at the new Warhammer Quests as they release. Are we still stuck with bestiaries that only include what's in the boxes + maybe a few articles in White Dwarf? I ask, because the character progression and "almost everything we make for WHFB" bestiary of the original is what cements it as my favorite GW game ever made, and the new one's haven't interested me due to the limited bestiaries.

Psychopomp, the AOS systems that used different mechanics but the same stat cards can take a ton of heroes (IIRC at least a few per faction when released) and decent number of baddies.

BSF is much more narratively restricted. It has a pretty limited number of baddies and one expansion has a second hero pack, which I would have eaten up at about 1/2-2/3 the price offered, but it really is a fairly limited narrative, not a general sprawl like the old WHQ. There are some more baddies and modes of play from WD etc., but they're generally still within a narrow theme (weird aliens, chaos goons; the majority of player characters are imperial).

 cuda1179 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, did we ever get to see the rules (40k or BSF) for the Zoat?

White Dwarf. the new one with the Space Wolves on it... it says 452 on the cover.


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 Psychopomp wrote:
So, I've only looked at the new Warhammer Quests as they release. Are we still stuck with bestiaries that only include what's in the boxes + maybe a few articles in White Dwarf? I ask, because the character progression and "almost everything we make for WHFB" bestiary of the original is what cements it as my favorite GW game ever made, and the new one's haven't interested me due to the limited bestiaries.

If you want, you can use what you want to, but these guys they have in the expansions are lethal as is.

Umm, I don’t know what copy of White Dwarf 452 you got, but the Blackstone rules in it were for the Jokaero retinue character. The Zoat rules given in it were for Kill Team only.

 totalfailure wrote:
Umm, I don’t know what copy of White Dwarf 452 you got, but the Blackstone rules in it were for the Jokaero retinue character. The Zoat rules given in it were for Kill Team only.

The Kill Team rules for the Ambull were basically the same as the 40K rules, so I think he meant you can infer the Zoat's 40K rules by looking at those. No point value of cource.

Bsf can Segway Into a reboot of inquisitor at 24-32mm. Adding some inquisitor warband options. Then give us a real rogue trader/inquisitor warband codex for 40k. Where you can mix and match all these awesome models. Minus monsters and drones.

Segway is the motorized rolly contraption; segue is transition.

But I wouldn't say no to a better means of making inquisitor/pirate/rogue trader-style heterogeneous lists.

I would 100% buy an Inquisitor based 40k Quest game. I always felt the Blackstone fortress setting was too far removed from the world of 40k to make it really feel 'right'.

Very meh expansion, bigger spindle drone.....

Also the whole Retinue characters thingy are pretty lame but rule writer seem way too obsessed with it....

Hehehehe.

Self confessed Completist Weirdo.

Didn’t like the price of No Respite, given I’ve got the models already, and the recycling existing irked me (and indeed others. Hi Fam!).

Just picked it up sans the models on eBay for £8.50

Soo... Ascension is $110 for 2 sprues of the same model with different mini-arms. And some GW-caliber rules.

I honestly find the pricing for this stuff alternatingly frustrating and baffling. Like, there have been some tempting sculpts, but I've only bought two sets of rules and no minis past the core.

https://spikeybits.com/2020/08/blackstone-fortress-next-release-wave-pricing-confirmed.html

Yeah. I might one day pick up the cultists, but beyond the initial box, BSF has been a bust for me.

And now its done, complete. No idea what happens next. Do they produce another AOS WQ? A non-linked sequel to BSF?
A proper Warhammer Quest range that produce rules and map bits for 40k and/or AoS? Just stop? No idea, but it feels like they utterly failed to capitalize on it (or produce anything lasting) long term.

Yeah, like, I feel like they're just fumbling around. First was a really pretty, hyperspecific core. Then a bunch of recycled characters. Then a whole core and expansion set of recycled models with poor interaction with the existing core. Then these which are super-expensive unique sculpts that feel like the price is designed to offset their cost (which I think was a poor move because it's a barrier to entry), except then they did that lame Nurgle rehash and charged the same ridiculous prices for them. Like, I feel like they're just trying gak to see what sticks, and there's no real model or strategy.