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Playing a game by myself, SW vs WE's and I can't believe how good Bjorn is. He's killed a fill squad of termies in one turn of combat then killed a daemon prince in one turn of combat and has only lost one wound so far. Bjorn is no longer made of adamantium but is now made of pure cheddar cheese, not even 200 pnts lol. If Kharn doesn't get to him in the game I'm going to do a one vs one duel after the game.

And can't be shot at...right? Still a sub-10 wound Character in the new Codex?

Your surprised that Space Furries get the cheesey cheese like always?

Wait until you see Murderfang!

 Elbows wrote:
And can't be shot at...right? Still a sub-10 wound Character in the new Codex?

Yup.


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Ice_can wrote:
Your surprised that Space Furries get the cheesey cheese like always?

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Wait until you see Murderfang!

Yeah he looks nasty, I'll field him next time.

Well we have already had people, not you complaining that the space furries got a weak codex and that they were worse than even vanilla marines.

Atleast you appear to be being honest about the power of the codex.

Ice_can wrote:
Well we have already had people, not you complaining that the space furries got a weak codex and that they were worse than even vanilla marines.

Atleast you appear to be being honest about the power of the codex.

(Or maybe it isn't that good and you're just salty.)

Ice_can wrote:
Well we have already had people, not you complaining that the space furries got a weak codex and that they were worse than even vanilla marines.

Atleast you appear to be being honest about the power of the codex.

I wouldn't say that they're worse than Vanilla. I do think they're worse than Blood Angels, though.

the dreadnoughts do expose a flaw in the character rules, though [if Guilliman already didn't]. The point is that they can't be picked out among the troops they're leading, but I think Bjorn, Murderfang, Guilliman, Celestine, etc. would probably be pretty obvious. "BRING DOWN THE BIG ONE!"

I think the character rule is only issue when the character of very shooty like a Tau Commander and can do everything it wants to from behind a screen.

It is definitely strong on dreads and gman, though.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Playing a game by myself, SW vs WE's and I can't believe how good Bjorn is. He's killed a fill squad of termies in one turn of combat then killed a daemon prince in one turn of combat and has only lost one wound so far. Bjorn is no longer made of adamantium but is now made of pure cheddar cheese, not even 200 pnts lol. If Kharn doesn't get to him in the game I'm going to do a one vs one duel after the game.

Bjorn is at least 219 pts. You didn't pay for his guns.

 beir wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Playing a game by myself, SW vs WE's and I can't believe how good Bjorn is. He's killed a fill squad of termies in one turn of combat then killed a daemon prince in one turn of combat and has only lost one wound so far. Bjorn is no longer made of adamantium but is now made of pure cheddar cheese, not even 200 pnts lol. If Kharn doesn't get to him in the game I'm going to do a one vs one duel after the game.

Bjorn is at least 219 pts. You didn't pay for his guns.

I did, I just mean base he's not even 200. You have to pay for everything in this edition, so you can no longer really forget lol

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 beir wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Playing a game by myself, SW vs WE's and I can't believe how good Bjorn is. He's killed a fill squad of termies in one turn of combat then killed a daemon prince in one turn of combat and has only lost one wound so far. Bjorn is no longer made of adamantium but is now made of pure cheddar cheese, not even 200 pnts lol. If Kharn doesn't get to him in the game I'm going to do a one vs one duel after the game.

Bjorn is at least 219 pts. You didn't pay for his guns.

I did, I just mean base he's not even 200. You have to pay for everything in this edition, so you can no longer really forget lol

Most named characters who don't have options have their wargear paid for in their base price. For example, Arjac Rockfist, Logan Grimnar, Muderfang and Ulrik the Slayer all have their wargear included in their points cost.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Well we have already had people, not you complaining that the space furries got a weak codex and that they were worse than even vanilla marines.

Atleast you appear to be being honest about the power of the codex.

I wouldn't say that they're worse than Vanilla. I do think they're worse than Blood Angels, though.

the dreadnoughts do expose a flaw in the character rules, though [if Guilliman already didn't]. The point is that they can't be picked out among the troops they're leading, but I think Bjorn, Murderfang, Guilliman, Celestine, etc. would probably be pretty obvious. "BRING DOWN THE BIG ONE!"

I don't think they are. Primaris are a big thing this edition as they give us serious firepower to go with our serious CC units. The stormfang is insane, we have wulfen, we have inceptors we have Bjorn and some serious HQ's like Grimnar without hit sled and Arjac, cyberwolves as single one man units which can give you a gak load of command points. People don't like termies this edition I love them, with the cost of drop pods and rhinos now they make up for being overcost now as they can deep strike, plus 2 wound models are so important for Astartes this edition. More bases are covered now and If you can't make a competitive list with this codex then its that persons fault not the codex in my opinion. Yes there are downsides to the codex like TWC still only really being good for hoards now, Ragnar still doesn't live up to his name and the overcharge price on plasma is still ridiculous steep especially for Primaris where you pay through the teeth for hellblasters and inceptors etc. and a lot of the points are inflated but calling it bad is ridiculous to me.

does it get an inv.save? if not is useless at least in competitive.

Its okay actually Kharn killed him in one round of combat lol That's ma boy. He only killed one berzerker as well. I feel sorry for people that don't have a Kharn, he is the best model and character in the universe.


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 blackmage wrote:
does it get an inv.save? if not is useless at least in competitive.

He basically gets a 5+ FNP. Don't know if they just forgot about the inv or whether they are just going with the FNP. If he gets a ++ he'll be very cheesy.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Well we have already had people, not you complaining that the space furries got a weak codex and that they were worse than even vanilla marines.

Atleast you appear to be being honest about the power of the codex.

I wouldn't say that they're worse than Vanilla. I do think they're worse than Blood Angels, though.

the dreadnoughts do expose a flaw in the character rules, though [if Guilliman already didn't]. The point is that they can't be picked out among the troops they're leading, but I think Bjorn, Murderfang, Guilliman, Celestine, etc. would probably be pretty obvious. "BRING DOWN THE BIG ONE!"

You honestly think Codex: Slamguinus is better than the Space Wolves codex?

Once people start getting better at countering Slamguinus, the ONLY thing the other Marine chapters will have over Space Wolves is their Scouts. That's literally it.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Well we have already had people, not you complaining that the space furries got a weak codex and that they were worse than even vanilla marines.

Atleast you appear to be being honest about the power of the codex.

I wouldn't say that they're worse than Vanilla. I do think they're worse than Blood Angels, though.

the dreadnoughts do expose a flaw in the character rules, though [if Guilliman already didn't]. The point is that they can't be picked out among the troops they're leading, but I think Bjorn, Murderfang, Guilliman, Celestine, etc. would probably be pretty obvious. "BRING DOWN THE BIG ONE!"

You honestly think Codex: Slamguinus is better than the Space Wolves codex?

Once people start getting better at countering Slamguinus, the ONLY thing the other Marine chapters will have over Space Wolves is their Scouts. That's literally it.

or if GW nerfs Slamguinius. playing a codex to take advantage of one power unit, be it slamguinius, jet bikes, comissars and conscripts, carries a risk. it might win you a tourny or two, but I'd rather play a codex I can have fun with, do reasonably well at, and not have to worry about massive changes to until the next edition

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
. I feel sorry for people that don't have a Kharn, he is the best model and character in the universe.

I like this guy.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Yes there are downsides to the codex like TWC still only really being good for hoards now, Ragnar still doesn't live up to his name and the overcharge price on plasma is still ridiculous steep especially for Primaris where you pay through the teeth for hellblasters and inceptors etc. and a lot of the points are inflated but calling it bad is ridiculous to me.

It is worse then the BA codex at doing the same stuff, no body cares who is second or third best at something. There for they are seen by some as a bad codex. The fact that their best rules are often inconsequential, or make them worse because of the core rules does not help the book. If TWC could go up stairs, move around terrain or at least be half as fast as jump packs people would complain less.

Karol wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Yes there are downsides to the codex like TWC still only really being good for hoards now, Ragnar still doesn't live up to his name and the overcharge price on plasma is still ridiculous steep especially for Primaris where you pay through the teeth for hellblasters and inceptors etc. and a lot of the points are inflated but calling it bad is ridiculous to me.

It is worse then the BA codex at doing the same stuff, no body cares who is second or third best at something. There for they are seen by some as a bad codex. The fact that their best rules are often inconsequential, or make them worse because of the core rules does not help the book. If TWC could go up stairs, move around terrain or at least be half as fast as jump packs people would complain less.

I don't know whether the BA codex is good or not. I'm saying the SW codex is not bad. Wulfen are better than TWC now and they can be faster seeing that you can advance and charge. TWC are now only really good at hordes, they don't have punching power anymore with their 2 attacks, its sucks because I love TWC, far more than Wulfen, I wished they'd kept TWC as good and just nerfed the Wulfen. Not a fan of the models and I prefer Astartes not werewolves, I never likes the idea of Wulfen, I like the ridiculousness of the Wolves but Wulfen are too ridiculous.

Karol wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Yes there are downsides to the codex like TWC still only really being good for hoards now, Ragnar still doesn't live up to his name and the overcharge price on plasma is still ridiculous steep especially for Primaris where you pay through the teeth for hellblasters and inceptors etc. and a lot of the points are inflated but calling it bad is ridiculous to me.

It is worse then the BA codex at doing the same stuff, no body cares who is second or third best at something. There for they are seen by some as a bad codex. The fact that their best rules are often inconsequential, or make them worse because of the core rules does not help the book. If TWC could go up stairs, move around terrain or at least be half as fast as jump packs people would complain less.

Honestly these complaints about ruins are such a non-issue as you can just shoot those. Yeah TWC not being able to JUMP over stuff sucks but that doesn't make them a bad unit.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Yes there are downsides to the codex like TWC still only really being good for hoards now, Ragnar still doesn't live up to his name and the overcharge price on plasma is still ridiculous steep especially for Primaris where you pay through the teeth for hellblasters and inceptors etc. and a lot of the points are inflated but calling it bad is ridiculous to me.

It is worse then the BA codex at doing the same stuff, no body cares who is second or third best at something. There for they are seen by some as a bad codex. The fact that their best rules are often inconsequential, or make them worse because of the core rules does not help the book. If TWC could go up stairs, move around terrain or at least be half as fast as jump packs people would complain less.

Honestly these complaints about ruins are such a non-issue as you can just shoot those. Yeah TWC not being able to JUMP over stuff sucks but that doesn't make them a bad unit.

What ruins? How can't they move over terrain? They are a bad unit in comparison to what they were.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Yes there are downsides to the codex like TWC still only really being good for hoards now, Ragnar still doesn't live up to his name and the overcharge price on plasma is still ridiculous steep especially for Primaris where you pay through the teeth for hellblasters and inceptors etc. and a lot of the points are inflated but calling it bad is ridiculous to me.

It is worse then the BA codex at doing the same stuff, no body cares who is second or third best at something. There for they are seen by some as a bad codex. The fact that their best rules are often inconsequential, or make them worse because of the core rules does not help the book. If TWC could go up stairs, move around terrain or at least be half as fast as jump packs people would complain less.

Honestly these complaints about ruins are such a non-issue as you can just shoot those. Yeah TWC not being able to JUMP over stuff sucks but that doesn't make them a bad unit.

What ruins? How can't they move over terrain? They are a bad unit in comparison to what they were.

They were bad if you didn't have a character to tank for them or cast invisibility. Don't let those rose tinted glasses cloud your judgement.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Yes there are downsides to the codex like TWC still only really being good for hoards now, Ragnar still doesn't live up to his name and the overcharge price on plasma is still ridiculous steep especially for Primaris where you pay through the teeth for hellblasters and inceptors etc. and a lot of the points are inflated but calling it bad is ridiculous to me.

It is worse then the BA codex at doing the same stuff, no body cares who is second or third best at something. There for they are seen by some as a bad codex. The fact that their best rules are often inconsequential, or make them worse because of the core rules does not help the book. If TWC could go up stairs, move around terrain or at least be half as fast as jump packs people would complain less.

Honestly these complaints about ruins are such a non-issue as you can just shoot those. Yeah TWC not being able to JUMP over stuff sucks but that doesn't make them a bad unit.

Ok, so lets say you play without area terrain, there is no ruines or buildings. Great now you either play on the bowling bowl ally and the TWC will get shot to bitz before they reach melee, or the terrain is of the Forest and Hills type, that give no cover. Being shot is not even the worse things about beasts&bikes etc. If your main unit can't claim an objective on the second floor of a building, then there is a big with the unit. Being bigger units then a kneeling jumppack slamgiunius is also a problem, a TWC is not going to fit through an area of terrain door or window.

complaining that TWC can't push into ruins is silly. no unit SHOULD be able to do everything. TWC is cavalry, (how about that eh) use it as such.

Karol wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Yes there are downsides to the codex like TWC still only really being good for hoards now, Ragnar still doesn't live up to his name and the overcharge price on plasma is still ridiculous steep especially for Primaris where you pay through the teeth for hellblasters and inceptors etc. and a lot of the points are inflated but calling it bad is ridiculous to me.

It is worse then the BA codex at doing the same stuff, no body cares who is second or third best at something. There for they are seen by some as a bad codex. The fact that their best rules are often inconsequential, or make them worse because of the core rules does not help the book. If TWC could go up stairs, move around terrain or at least be half as fast as jump packs people would complain less.

Honestly these complaints about ruins are such a non-issue as you can just shoot those. Yeah TWC not being able to JUMP over stuff sucks but that doesn't make them a bad unit.

Ok, so lets say you play without area terrain, there is no ruines or buildings. Great now you either play on the bowling bowl ally and the TWC will get shot to bitz before they reach melee, or the terrain is of the Forest and Hills type, that give no cover. Being shot is not even the worse things about beasts&bikes etc. If your main unit can't claim an objective on the second floor of a building, then there is a big with the unit. Being bigger units then a kneeling jumppack slamgiunius is also a problem, a TWC is not going to fit through an area of terrain door or window.

What rules state that you can't do that?

Does he now explode?

 AndrewC wrote:
Does he now explode?

Yup.