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 Manchu wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
You hit me and mine we hit you back twice as hard. You tried to genocide us over and over. My turn.

Lance, you nailed it. I think this is really what Magneto, the Holocaust survivor, is really all about.


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I deleted a few political/religious posts that pretty cleanly detached from the context of discussing this movie or comics generally. Try to keep it at least semi-related please.

because of you and lance i have been going through my old comics that feature magneto, this makes me happy

I am actually hoping for a little clarity with the movie within the MU, as Captain Marvel was not the most understood character on my part reading comics. However, the more people I talk to it seems she is not easily explained??? Is this true?

 MDSW wrote:
I am actually hoping for a little clarity with the movie within the MU, as Captain Marvel was not the most understood character on my part reading comics. However, the more people I talk to it seems she is not easily explained??? Is this true?

Her movie incarnation looks to be fairly straightforward and explained well enough.
Pilot, wrecked (wormhole?), given transfusion/powers with magic kree blood, probably brainwashed =super soldier.

The comic versions would just confuse the issue. But basically Rogue (of xmen) permanently stole her powers, she worked with shield for a bit (before/after?), went off into space with the xmen, absorbed new (even more better) powers from a binary star system, eventually lost those and various things happened later that I'm only vaguely aware of and seemed bad.

 MDSW wrote:
I am actually hoping for a little clarity with the movie within the MU, as Captain Marvel was not the most understood character on my part reading comics. However, the more people I talk to it seems she is not easily explained??? Is this true?

She looks like she's going to be a fairly simple character in movie form. It's just her comic history that's kind of mess; which is pretty common when a character lacks a real defining story arc, but is popular enough for a lot of authors to try, particularly if it happened before the early 2000's when comics liked to indulge in bizarre sci-fi tropes.

First off, her backstory is wrapped up in the giant legal mess that is Captain Marvel/Shazam/Miracle Man (totally worth reading into if you've got the time) with the original Mar-Vell being a character whose death no one really wants to undo and Carol herself never really having a great run that defined her character. That meant she got thrown on the Avengers which have always kind of collected characters that weren't carrying a solo series to a degree. Chris Clairemont was really fond of her, but his shot at the character was cancelled before he really got a handle on her and then she was written out of the Avengers in one of the most uncomfortable stories in the Avengers cannon.

Eventually when Chris Clairemont was busy making the X-Men the industry titan it came to be through his run, he decided to use it as an opportunity to undo that story by having Carol found powerless after being sapped by the then villainess Rogue, while also giving him the chance sort of write her again since she didn't fall under his mutant banner normally. Chris did what Chris does and she got a lot of convoluted new powers and names and stuff from different cosmic sources that muddled things further.

All you REALLY need to know about her current comic backstory is that in the alternate House of M reality, she was one of the lead heroes of that universe and when the normal reality returned, she was inspired to prove to herself she could be a top hero there as well. She's essentially been a major part of the Avengers ever since. They sometimes reference her backstory, but for the most part writers seem to be pretty happy glossing over the details and treating her like a fairly new character who has just always kind of been there.

I'm rolling with "She's a pilot who got turned into Superman".

That seems to be what the previews show.

 Frazzled wrote:
That seems to be what the previews show.

Tbh I only really know her indirectly as a sorta-villain through the old X Men cartoons and her bromance with Jessica Jones (which was transferred to Trish for the Netflix show)

Casualty wrote:
I'm rolling with "She's a pilot who got turned into Superman".

So Green Lantern, but with golden energy beams instead? I'm cool with that.

Green lanturns are space cops with a beat that is big enough to be a space sector.

Captain Marvel is a soldier fighting a thousands of years old war between the kree and the skrulls and until they have enough of both side bull gak.

She’s one of Earth’s top heavy hitters in the comics right now. Beat the ever living crap out of Iron Man at the end of Civil War II and put him in a coma for awhile. Took Gamora weilding iirc three (?, at least two) Infinity Stones to incapacitate her in the recent Infinity War arc.

 AduroT wrote:
She’s one of Earth’s top heavy hitters in the comics right now. Beat the ever living crap out of Iron Man at the end of Civil War II and put him in a coma for awhile. Took Gamora weilding iirc three (?, at least two) Infinity Stones to incapacitate her in the recent Infinity War arc.

Gamora is also C-tier power level.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
She’s one of Earth’s top heavy hitters in the comics right now. Beat the ever living crap out of Iron Man at the end of Civil War II and put him in a coma for awhile. Took Gamora weilding iirc three (?, at least two) Infinity Stones to incapacitate her in the recent Infinity War arc.

Gamora is also C-tier power level.

I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't call her an a lister like the most powerful mutants and gak, but she could wipe the floor with most people on earth. With even 1 infinity gem that becomes something drastically different. Needing 2 says a lot. Since a regular person with 2 could probably just wipe 99% of the characters from the face of the earth.

Like most of the "Super" Super Heroes though, doesnt Captain Marvel's Power level greatly depend on who's writing her?

Yes, but shes always been on the lower to mid tier of cosmic class characters.

If Quasar, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are the top tiers shes a step bellow. I would never put her up there with the power cosmic but shes definitely holding off many warships on her own. She could probably overpower Nova fairly easily even when he had the full undivided power of the Nova Corps (because he was the last one).

Dr Strange or maybe Thor might be the only cinematic characters that could actually win a fight against her but not in a direct confrontation. Strange only through round about deceit and out smarting her. Hulk is stronger (cause he always is) but she could out maneuver and outsmart him easily enough.

Ok.

Since you mentioned Nova, thats a movie I'd kinda like to see once the fatigue I'm feeling wears down.

Plus you know, when it wears down I imagine Id be looking forward to this one. But as is, Im sure it will be good, as most Marvel movies have been, just whoo boy I dont know how many more of the by the numbers intros I can handle.

 Lance845 wrote:
Yes, but shes always been on the lower to mid tier of cosmic class characters.

If Quasar, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are the top tiers shes a step bellow. I would never put her up there with the power cosmic but shes definitely holding off many warships on her own. She could probably overpower Nova fairly easily even when he had the full undivided power of the Nova Corps (because he was the last one).

Dr Strange or maybe Thor might be the only cinematic characters that could actually win a fight against her but not in a direct confrontation. Strange only through round about deceit and out smarting her. Hulk is stronger (cause he always is) but she could out maneuver and outsmart him easily enough.

Pretty much this. She is strong but she is nowhere near the best, even from Earth. Sentry and Black Bolt would mop her up and there are a lot of mutants *cough*Rogue*cough* that really take her down. Strange could magic his way around her like it was nothing. Add in her awful weakness for being mind controlled and she really shouldn't be trusted near the infinity gauntlet or Thanos. I am still baffled by this idea she is the savior.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Yes, but shes always been on the lower to mid tier of cosmic class characters.

If Quasar, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are the top tiers shes a step bellow. I would never put her up there with the power cosmic but shes definitely holding off many warships on her own. She could probably overpower Nova fairly easily even when he had the full undivided power of the Nova Corps (because he was the last one).

Dr Strange or maybe Thor might be the only cinematic characters that could actually win a fight against her but not in a direct confrontation. Strange only through round about deceit and out smarting her. Hulk is stronger (cause he always is) but she could out maneuver and outsmart him easily enough.

Pretty much this. She is strong but she is nowhere near the best, even from Earth. Sentry and Black Bolt would mop her up and there are a lot of mutants *cough*Rogue*cough* that really take her down. Strange could magic his way around her like it was nothing. Add in her awful weakness for being mind controlled and she really shouldn't be trusted near the infinity gauntlet or Thanos. I am still baffled by this idea she is the savior.

I think its gonna be a bait and switch, they push that its gonna be captain marvel with all he media etc. and when it comes right down it that last second...... she dies.... Howard the duck comes running in and haymakers thanos saving the day.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Yes, but shes always been on the lower to mid tier of cosmic class characters.

If Quasar, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are the top tiers shes a step bellow. I would never put her up there with the power cosmic but shes definitely holding off many warships on her own. She could probably overpower Nova fairly easily even when he had the full undivided power of the Nova Corps (because he was the last one).

Dr Strange or maybe Thor might be the only cinematic characters that could actually win a fight against her but not in a direct confrontation. Strange only through round about deceit and out smarting her. Hulk is stronger (cause he always is) but she could out maneuver and outsmart him easily enough.

Pretty much this. She is strong but she is nowhere near the best, even from Earth. Sentry and Black Bolt would mop her up and there are a lot of mutants *cough*Rogue*cough* that really take her down. Strange could magic his way around her like it was nothing. Add in her awful weakness for being mind controlled and she really shouldn't be trusted near the infinity gauntlet or Thanos. I am still baffled by this idea she is the savior.

If you gonna talk about the absolute Strongest earth has to offer, you need to mention Squirrel Girl.

 AduroT wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Yes, but shes always been on the lower to mid tier of cosmic class characters.

If Quasar, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are the top tiers shes a step bellow. I would never put her up there with the power cosmic but shes definitely holding off many warships on her own. She could probably overpower Nova fairly easily even when he had the full undivided power of the Nova Corps (because he was the last one).

Dr Strange or maybe Thor might be the only cinematic characters that could actually win a fight against her but not in a direct confrontation. Strange only through round about deceit and out smarting her. Hulk is stronger (cause he always is) but she could out maneuver and outsmart him easily enough.

Pretty much this. She is strong but she is nowhere near the best, even from Earth. Sentry and Black Bolt would mop her up and there are a lot of mutants *cough*Rogue*cough* that really take her down. Strange could magic his way around her like it was nothing. Add in her awful weakness for being mind controlled and she really shouldn't be trusted near the infinity gauntlet or Thanos. I am still baffled by this idea she is the savior.

If you gonna talk about the absolute Strongest earth has to offer, you need to mention Squirrel Girl.

no..... bad aduro

 Formosa wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Yes, but shes always been on the lower to mid tier of cosmic class characters.

If Quasar, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are the top tiers shes a step bellow. I would never put her up there with the power cosmic but shes definitely holding off many warships on her own. She could probably overpower Nova fairly easily even when he had the full undivided power of the Nova Corps (because he was the last one).

Dr Strange or maybe Thor might be the only cinematic characters that could actually win a fight against her but not in a direct confrontation. Strange only through round about deceit and out smarting her. Hulk is stronger (cause he always is) but she could out maneuver and outsmart him easily enough.

Pretty much this. She is strong but she is nowhere near the best, even from Earth. Sentry and Black Bolt would mop her up and there are a lot of mutants *cough*Rogue*cough* that really take her down. Strange could magic his way around her like it was nothing. Add in her awful weakness for being mind controlled and she really shouldn't be trusted near the infinity gauntlet or Thanos. I am still baffled by this idea she is the savior.

I think its gonna be a bait and switch, they push that its gonna be captain marvel with all he media etc. and when it comes right down it that last second...... she dies.... Howard the duck comes running in and haymakers thanos saving the day.

Can't be...Howard the Duck is both white and male. Unacceptable. Stop Ducksplaining.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Yes, but shes always been on the lower to mid tier of cosmic class characters.

If Quasar, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are the top tiers shes a step bellow. I would never put her up there with the power cosmic but shes definitely holding off many warships on her own. She could probably overpower Nova fairly easily even when he had the full undivided power of the Nova Corps (because he was the last one).

Dr Strange or maybe Thor might be the only cinematic characters that could actually win a fight against her but not in a direct confrontation. Strange only through round about deceit and out smarting her. Hulk is stronger (cause he always is) but she could out maneuver and outsmart him easily enough.

Pretty much this. She is strong but she is nowhere near the best, even from Earth. Sentry and Black Bolt would mop her up and there are a lot of mutants *cough*Rogue*cough* that really take her down. Strange could magic his way around her like it was nothing. Add in her awful weakness for being mind controlled and she really shouldn't be trusted near the infinity gauntlet or Thanos. I am still baffled by this idea she is the savior.

Could simply be her knowledge.

Remember, Nick Fury is canonically unaware of GOTG. He’s never met them. He has no reason to believe they exist.

Thor is focussed only on his Realms.

Captain Marvel though? Potential to be the most knowledgable spod Fury is aware of.

 Lance845 wrote:
Yes, but shes always been on the lower to mid tier of cosmic class characters.

If Quasar, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are the top tiers shes a step bellow. I would never put her up there with the power cosmic but shes definitely holding off many warships on her own. She could probably overpower Nova fairly easily even when he had the full undivided power of the Nova Corps (because he was the last one).

Dr Strange or maybe Thor might be the only cinematic characters that could actually win a fight against her but not in a direct confrontation. Strange only through round about deceit and out smarting her. Hulk is stronger (cause he always is) but she could out maneuver and outsmart him easily enough.

Its tricky until we see her in the films as power levels in the comics are always all over the place depending on who is writing whom. Its a bit like Superman.

We know that very few of the movei characters can even survive fights with Thanos even before he gets his full set of stones. After that pretty much everyone was meaningless.

Hulk is no match for Thanos with even a few Stones
Scarlet Witch did manage to hold him off despite him having all but one stone and destroy the soul stone at the same time which was impressive,
Thor blasted through all the defences thrown up by all the stones with Stormbreaker
Stark managed a small cut on his face......

Still not sure about alot of Superhero stuff going on in the 80's without impacting the history of the world - was anyone else active then?

The MCU 80's?

Not that we've seen yet?

The 90's has...Captain Marvel and...?

But she's got to be off stage for some reason (to be explained in her movie, of course) for quite some time too.

So, given that we have to stick to the MCU candidates, I suppose we'll know for certain where her overall 'Power Level' is in about...2 weeks?

I dont know why anyone thinks shes going to be the one that turns the tide and saves the day. Marvel has never said that. They said shes the most powerful hero we have seen so far. She clearly has A role to play. But that doesn't mean shes the key or central role. If i had to guess who was going to be the central piece to winning. The final blow deliverer. Its going to be Nebula.

Captain America is going to be the key to getting it all done through planning and determination.

Cap Marvel will likely play a Thor like role. A heavy weapon that pulverizes the opposition.

 Alpharius wrote:
The MCU 80's?

Not that we've seen yet?

The 90's has...Captain Marvel and...?

But she's got to be off stage for some reason (to be explained in her movie, of course) for quite some time too.

So, given that we have to stick to the MCU candidates, I suppose we'll know for certain where her overall 'Power Level' is in about...2 weeks?

Ah right not sure if anything happened in Agents of Shield as i did not watch all the series.

I guess the Winter Soldier was about and Black Widow,

Ant-man was aroundish and project Goliath was being worked on with Bill Foster.

Everything in the MCU after Captain America in WWII and up until Iron man said "I am Iron Man" was covert and kept under wraps, I think.

 Lance845 wrote:
I dont know why anyone thinks shes going to be the one that turns the tide and saves the day. Marvel has never said that. They said shes the most powerful hero we have seen so far. She clearly has A role to play. But that doesn't mean shes the key or central role. If i had to guess who was going to be the central piece to winning. The final blow deliverer. Its going to be Nebula.

Captain America is going to be the key to getting it all done through planning and determination.

Cap Marvel will likely play a Thor like role. A heavy weapon that pulverizes the opposition.

It was more the audience that took that when it was first announced. The whole "Is she going to replace Cap" argument that was floating around. I disagree with it. I honestly don't even think she is going to be what saves it. Sure, she is going to be a huge help at some point but there is that chance she will be an even bigger hindrance. I made a post on FB about this awhile back actually. Here it is:

"It's March 8th. You are sitting in the movie theater waiting for Captain Marvel, you want to know where Endgame is going. You watch the movie, wait through the credits because you know it's there, then you hear a pager go off. It's the screen! She is there, holding the pager! Then she isn't, Thanos got her too. You got hoodwinked."

Ant-Man is going to be the one saving the day. Mark my words!

The whole "Is she going to replace Cap" argument that was floating around

Why would that even been an argument?
She's a super hero with strength, flight, invulnerability and energy blasts.

He's a gymnast and a stage act. Or that kid in captain planet with the heart gem. A monkey in a funny hat could replace Cap.

MCU 70’s and 80’s?

Sounds like a slot for the X-Men?