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I don't know about you CSM players out there, but the new updated models and codex's have given me a resurgence in my love for Chaos, cause lets face it, we've kinda been the donkeys for years when it comes to our models, every other factions looks great or at least half descent. Yes Sisters of Battle haven't had an update but I collect them too and they still look great. Can't wait till the WE's get released, I'll be going ape gak when that happens. What Legions are you's looking forward to getting released?

I dunno, I've sorta lost interest until the models I care more about get updates. Next to Primaris/Death Guard/Thousand Sons, regular CSM models look like crap - excepting those that were somewhat more recently updated like raptors and such.

The possibility of new chaos marine sculpts coming with the Blackstone Fortress does have me hopeful that the rumor of the new sculpts being part of a 10-man kit is true, and that I can finally give my Word Bearers a proper shake.

I've played since 3rd but have only been playing csm since 7th. Anyway part of what attracted me to chaos is the model range.
That said I don't use much of the old csm kit. Instead I kit bash and use FW bits extensively. My WE zerks are based on the FW WE upgrade kits for one unit and the sons of horus pre heresy for another unit.

Anyway my point is its out there. My next project is noise marines using legion recon with a few alterations to represent alpha legion snipers (best I could come up with).

I have been planning (and holding off on building) an Emperor's. Children army for nearly two yeara now, waiting to see what they do to Noise Marines and Slaanesh in general.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I have been planning (and holding off on building) an Emperor's. Children army for nearly two yeara now, waiting to see what they do to Noise Marines and Slaanesh in general.

Yeah its annoying because I don't want to buy, build and paint a unit that we might not end up getting, like the vidacator was replaced by the plagueburst crawler and the forgefiends etc are gone, though I've been painting Cultists and stuff that wouldn't be replaced as well as daemons

Won't know until it happens. There's rumors abound that Abaddon, Obliterators, and other models are getting an update soon. There's also info that there will be new Chaos Space Marine models in the Blackstone Fortress game, which also hints at an updated range.

Will we get Emperor's Children? World Eaters? One can only hope. With the raging hard on that GW seems to have for Nurgle at the moment, it would be nice for the other Chaos gods to get even HALF of the attention that Death Guard/Nurgle has gotten. But, we'll see.

I'm holding off on Chaos Space Marines until they get some model updates. Even comparing modern Space Marine Tacticals to Primaris is just ridiculous. Comparing Death Guard now to regular Chaos Marines is the same problem. I just can't stand the scale difference.

drbored wrote:
Won't know until it happens. There's rumors abound that Abaddon, Obliterators, and other models are getting an update soon. There's also info that there will be new Chaos Space Marine models in the Blackstone Fortress game, which also hints at an updated range.

Will we get Emperor's Children? World Eaters? One can only hope. With the raging hard on that GW seems to have for Nurgle at the moment, it would be nice for the other Chaos gods to get even HALF of the attention that Death Guard/Nurgle has gotten. But, we'll see.

I'm holding off on Chaos Space Marines until they get some model updates. Even comparing modern Space Marine Tacticals to Primaris is just ridiculous. Comparing Death Guard now to regular Chaos Marines is the same problem. I just can't stand the scale difference.

Of course we won't, but its fun to talk about it.

I only collect DG and WE's though I'm looking forward to the conversion options for the new stock CSM models, totally with you with the scale, I've stopped buying berzerkers as I'll get rid of them in place of the new ones, well I won't get rid of them but they'll take their warriors burial in my attack, like all the rest of my retired hero's lol

I'd rather GW updated the already existing model range instead of making new legion-specific models.

Not a chaos player at all but it really bothered me that during gathering storm chaos essentially got nothing model or rule wise. Especially Abaddon not getting a new model.

Also quick question, do we have any fluff on him and Bobby G facing off? I haven't been able to track any down and found that extremely odd.

meleti wrote:
I'd rather GW updated the already existing model range instead of making new legion-specific models.

Well standard CSM/undivided is still an option. However, the big four will most likely be done before standard CSM.


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HoundsofDemos wrote:
Not a chaos player at all but it really bothered me that during gathering storm chaos essentially got nothing model or rule wise. Especially Abaddon not getting a new model.

Also quick question, do we have any fluff on him and Bobby G facing off? I haven't been able to track any down and found that extremely odd.

Bobby wouldn't have locked horns with Abaddon as Abaddon would die, so pretty obviously GW wouldn't have pitched them together. He took a sword in the back from a duel with Celestine.

Is a Worldeaters codex likely?
I'm building a Khorne CSM force now, mostly conversions, so if I have to hack them up a bit to give them cooler stuff, I won't mind too much.

I'm slightly curious about how the Legion keyword works with Worldeaters as the fluff suggests that the ceased to exist as a single force after Skalathrax.

meleti wrote:
I'd rather GW updated the already existing model range instead of making new legion-specific models.

Unfortunately that means(at least to GW) that customer base is only part of existing players while new unit would have old and new customers. Not much redoing old models these days(space marine print me money button excluded and even there they finally stopped that and went for new line rather than redoing old).

IG needs new sprue, ork could do though that's remarkably good looking for the age(and redo could end up very bad there so maybe good they didn't redo that...), chaos, eldar aspects...

Wish GW would do some updates for a change but doesn't seem to be any time soon :-(


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RobS wrote:
Is a Worldeaters codex likely?
I'm building a Khorne CSM force now, mostly conversions, so if I have to hack them up a bit to give them cooler stuff, I won't mind too much.

I'm slightly curious about how the Legion keyword works with Worldeaters as the fluff suggests that the ceased to exist as a single force after Skalathrax.

There's rumours toward that but nothing concrete. Hastings also named 5 primarch around the time Magnus(or was it Guillimann) was released naming Magnus, Guillimann, Mortarion, Angron and Russ(but didn't specify any order except for already released one(s))

I'm still holding out for my boy Fulgrim alongside a big Emperor's Children release. That will probably be the next time I drop a large amount of cash on Warhammer and really make moves to grow my collection.

The current Noise Marine offerings are really weak- just the upgrade kit at this point. Especially compared to the older metal models coming straight out of an 80s hair metal video. His infernal majesty Slaanesh desperately needs some life breathed back into him.

Guilliman has returned from the depths of hell, and who better than Fulgrim to send him back once again.

RobS wrote:
Is a Worldeaters codex likely?
I'm building a Khorne CSM force now, mostly conversions, so if I have to hack them up a bit to give them cooler stuff, I won't mind too much.

I'm slightly curious about how the Legion keyword works with Worldeaters as the fluff suggests that the ceased to exist as a single force after Skalathrax.

The legion still exists, its just fractured. Kharn is still the lord of the original WE's.


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 akaean wrote:
I'm still holding out for my boy Fulgrim alongside a big Emperor's Children release. That will probably be the next time I drop a large amount of cash on Warhammer and really make moves to grow my collection.

The current Noise Marine offerings are really weak- just the upgrade kit at this point. Especially compared to the older metal models coming straight out of an 80s hair metal video. His infernal majesty Slaanesh desperately needs some life breathed back into him.

Guilliman has returned from the depths of hell, and who better than Fulgrim to send him back once again.

The FW HH ones look amazing, just use them.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

RobS wrote:
Is a Worldeaters codex likely?
I'm building a Khorne CSM force now, mostly conversions, so if I have to hack them up a bit to give them cooler stuff, I won't mind too much.

I'm slightly curious about how the Legion keyword works with Worldeaters as the fluff suggests that the ceased to exist as a single force after Skalathrax.

The legion still exists, its just fractured. Kharn is still the lord of the original WE's.

So am I being cheeky if I play with a Khorne warband but claim they are Legion = World Eaters?
Otherwise you can't technically take Berserkers as troops.

In fact some of the warbands in the fluff (including the one I want to paint up - Wrath) do not have an associated Legion referenced. So you don't get a Legion keyword?

New rules and a six month moratorium to allow for adjustments in points and functionality are the only things that will get me to buy new Chaos models at this point. I'm quite happy using my old metal Berzerkers, they are well painted and perfectly functional. I have 25+ years worth of collected and painted models, there is almost nothing I'd be interested in fielding that I don't have.

I suspect we'll get Emperor's Children and World Eaters codices eventually, when they come out, I'll buy the codex, then I'll wait the six months for the hype to die down and for the inevitable nerfs to be applied so as to bring them into line with the rest of the game and then we'll see what's still good at that point.

I want Khorne Daemonkin but if they are going to make it garbage and keep bloodthirsters unviable and make it an underdog codex because GW loves to make melee suck, then just keep releaseing new Eldar for all i care.

 Brutallica wrote:
I want Khorne Daemonkin but if they are going to make it garbage and keep bloodthirsters unviable and make it an underdog codex because GW loves to make melee suck, then just keep releaseing new Eldar for all i care.

I don't think a Khorne Daemonkin codex is going to happen. There's not an awful lot that you can't already achieve by fielding detachments of Khorne CSMs and Khorne Daemons, is there?

Echoing what a few other people have said, I spend a lot more time waiting for something new to happen with Chaos then actually working on my army.

I have about 40 of the old metal Noise Marines, sprues for about 60 CSMs, plus Land Raiders, Rhinos, and Chaos Daemons of all flavors sitting in boxes. Can't bring myself to start an EC army until I know more about what's going to happen.

Crispy78 wrote:

 Brutallica wrote:
I want Khorne Daemonkin but if they are going to make it garbage and keep bloodthirsters unviable and make it an underdog codex because GW loves to make melee suck, then just keep releaseing new Eldar for all i care.

I don't think a Khorne Daemonkin codex is going to happen. There's not an awful lot that you can't already achieve by fielding detachments of Khorne CSMs and Khorne Daemons, is there?

What would be nice is if GW release a "Daemonkin" supplement that gave specific Faction rules if you detachment faction was Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch or Slaanesh and included Heretic Astates and Daemons
Because right now, you can do that and mix CSMs with Daemons in the same detachment, but you lose any Legion Trait or Daemonic Alignment.

If your whole detachment was Khorne and included both CSMs and Daemons, you get some kind of "Daemonkin" bonus.
The most obvious bonus I can think of is to make summoning easier for your alignment somehow.
Maybe you get to roll 3d6, or even 2d6+3 for the Power level of the unit you wish to summon?
But I doubt it would happen

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 Galef wrote:

If your whole detachment was Khorne and included both CSMs and Daemons, you get some kind of "Daemonkin" bonus.
The most obvious bonus I can think of is to make summoning easier for your alignment somehow.
Maybe you get to roll 3d6, or even 2d6+3 for the Power level of the unit you wish to summon?
But I doubt it would happen

I tend to agree, especially given that they had the opportunity to do so with Thousand Sons and Death Guard and in both instances chose not to do anything of the kind.

Seems unlikely that they would break that pattern for World Eaters or Emperor's Children, much less Word Bearers.

If you want a Daemonkin army, build a Daemonkin army from any combination of the five books that currently allow you to do so.

RobS wrote:
So am I being cheeky if I play with a Khorne warband but claim they are Legion = World Eaters?
Otherwise you can't technically take Berserkers as troops.

In fact some of the warbands in the fluff (including the one I want to paint up - Wrath) do not have an associated Legion referenced. So you don't get a Legion keyword?

Not cheeky at all - build your army using the keyword "World Eaters" and use paint them however you want. I don't think anyone would object to that whatsoever, because you're right - it's the only way to get Berzerkers at troops. It's no different to a home-brew chapter being "Raven Guard" or "Alpha Legion" because they have a ruleset that the owner wants to use. At the end of the day, follow the rule of cool - Khorne warbands are cool, and if using the World Eaters legion trait/rules is the way to get them on the table, then go for it!

After leaving the hobby in my mid twenties I'm now back and currently trying to refrain from the plastic crack addition, so to speak.
Alongside a whole raft of classic models bought before my break from the hobby I can't help but buy anything Chaos related, even though I know some of it will never get played. I'm kind of hoping they don't bring out too much too soon or my wallet won't be able to keep up.
That being said... I'd like to see Khorne get the Nurgle treatment model wise, although I highly doubt they'll get anywhere near as much. And if Games Workshop ever released a model range for traitor Guardsmen I'd have to remortgage the house

 Huron black heart wrote:
After leaving the hobby in my mid twenties I'm now back and currently trying to refrain from the plastic crack addition, so to speak.
Alongside a whole raft of classic models bought before my break from the hobby I can't help but buy anything Chaos related, even though I know some of it will never get played. I'm kind of hoping they don't bring out too much too soon or my wallet won't be able to keep up.
That being said... I'd like to see Khorne get the Nurgle treatment model wise, although I highly doubt they'll get anywhere near as much. And if Games Workshop ever released a model range for traitor Guardsmen I'd have to remortgage the house

Bloody hell...are you me?


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 Raichase wrote:

RobS wrote:
So am I being cheeky if I play with a Khorne warband but claim they are Legion = World Eaters?
Otherwise you can't technically take Berserkers as troops.

In fact some of the warbands in the fluff (including the one I want to paint up - Wrath) do not have an associated Legion referenced. So you don't get a Legion keyword?

Not cheeky at all - build your army using the keyword "World Eaters" and use paint them however you want. I don't think anyone would object to that whatsoever, because you're right - it's the only way to get Berzerkers at troops. It's no different to a home-brew chapter being "Raven Guard" or "Alpha Legion" because they have a ruleset that the owner wants to use. At the end of the day, follow the rule of cool - Khorne warbands are cool, and if using the World Eaters legion trait/rules is the way to get them on the table, then go for it!

I'm mostly going for cool - models, units and weapons combos I like the look of and seem to fit my idea of the fluff. But also also want it to be a playable army. Even if my army composition is utterly unbalanced (it's a Khorne warband - what is this balance?). So weapons/unit combinations that the Codex allows even if they aren't the best value for points.

So at the moment my 1,000 points is a big squad of 12-15 berserkers with a champ, 2 x 5 man squads of Khorne terminators, 1 equipped with mostly lightning claws to ruin light infantry's day (and because Lightning Claws are cool) and the other equipped with chain fists and combi-meltas for dread/termi/tank busting duties (also chain fists would seem to be the thinking Khorne terminator lunatics choice). Sticking a Dark Apostle with the Berserkers seems a good idea - but I'd like him to be unique so I'll have to convert one up.

My warlord with a single lightning claw and a chainfist (to make him a flexible destroyer of everything), but I am converting the Giegor Fell Hand lightning claw for his left hand, so I'm going to have to build him a right-handed chainfist. And spikes. Lots of spikes.

And they've all got Icons of wrath with them and Butcher's nails for extra fun.

My only 'tactical' unit is a small squad of CC armed chosen to nip around grabbing objectives (and hopefully being mostly ignored by the enemy who are busy having their face ripped off by the rest of my army).

If i expand the army I'll probably add more berserkers, couple of Rhinos, maybe a CC Hellbrute. And possibly some guns at some point.

Yeah, see if you're going for the all-out Khorne warband army that you've mentioned, and you're painting and modelling it to look suitably bloodthirsty, then the "World Eaters" trait is the best way to represent this, regardless of what Legion or Chapter you suggest they're from. Sounds like a fun army to play, it will probably win big, lose big and come down to the wire depending on your opponent, and that's the best way to game. Provided you've got a good group to game with who enjoy having fun, you're not going to run into any worries using the "World Eater" trait for that army!

 Raichase wrote:
Yeah, see if you're going for the all-out Khorne warband army that you've mentioned, and you're painting and modelling it to look suitably bloodthirsty, then the "World Eaters" trait is the best way to represent this, regardless of what Legion or Chapter you suggest they're from. Sounds like a fun army to play, it will probably win big, lose big and come down to the wire depending on your opponent, and that's the best way to game. Provided you've got a good group to game with who enjoy having fun, you're not going to run into any worries using the "World Eater" trait for that army!

Good, great. That's what I thought.

At this stage I'm mostly just collecting/modelling for the fun of it, but I'd like to play at some point.

I'm sure I'll be proved wrong but I wonder if my all-out assault plan might work against some armies. They can flank me or deepstrike me - but there wont be anything there to attack!
I guess once you get to bigger games, like 2000+ points then a bit more tactical balance would be required to compete, but in small games I think things could get very bloody.

All fun, anyway. Just ordered a bunch of berserker and AoS Chaos Warrior heads for my berserker converts.

Doing the Chosen and Warlord first though - Dettol DOES weaken polystyrene cement/plastic glue. Good times.

I thought the lore was that the World Eaters legion splintered into warbands after Skalathrax anyway...

Crispy78 wrote:
I thought the lore was that the World Eaters legion splintered into warbands after Skalathrax anyway...

That's always been my understanding. If you transfer that to the rules you could argue that there is no World Eaters Legion any more so no-one can use Butchers Nails or take Berserkers as troops.

Which seems totally daft. I think it's fair to class any Berserker-based, Khorne-worshipping bunch of CSMs as 'World Eaters' in the eyes of the rules.

This is all assuming that a World Eaters codex doesn't appear and add more to this.

 RobS wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
I thought the lore was that the World Eaters legion splintered into warbands after Skalathrax anyway...

That's always been my understanding. If you transfer that to the rules you could argue that there is no World Eaters Legion any more so no-one can use Butchers Nails or take Berserkers as troops.

Which seems totally daft. I think it's fair to class any Berserker-based, Khorne-worshipping bunch of CSMs as 'World Eaters' in the eyes of the rules.

This is all assuming that a World Eaters codex doesn't appear and add more to this.

I mean, there may not be an 'original' world eaters legion any more, but there are warbands who devote themselves to khorne and devote themselves to melee-based carnage, perhaps in homage to the original world eaters or because they're splintered off from the original. So it's perfectly "in character" for them to have berzerker troops, as that is what they specialise in.

And why can't they have butchers nails too, as that isn't some secret thing for world-eaters only, it's a brain implant that would be accessible by pretty much anyone. I mean I dunno why they don't let Ogryn have them (or maybe they do).