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Tyel wrote:
Necrons and Eldar have had.... one model(?) this year. I wouldn't include them in factions that have got stuff.

But still you probably have sisters, slaanesh and primaris on the horizon.

It not like you can even get the new Cryptek now. I'd buy one if I could.

I don't care for new models as long as they would balance out the rules for the ones they have available.

I'll take a good, balanced game over an abundance of useless new models any day of the week.

But yeah... any sane person would probably have rage quit by now.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Where are the sisters of battle...where is ynnari? Where is codex space marines 2.0?

1) Next year.
2) Last year.
3) Waiting on the next wave of primaris models.

I wish AoS had 40k's release rate. 40k has had about the same amount of codexes released so far for 8th as AoS since launch. With both being around 20ish (I'm not including indexs or AOS legacy rules). But 40k was in June 2017 and AoS was in 2015. I know some of you, or maybe a lot, don't like AoS. But some people do. And IMHO neglect is what killed the old WHFB.

20ish releases in a year. Wow. We have never had a release rate that fast before.

Tygre wrote:
I wish AoS had 40k's release rate. 40k has had about the same amount of codexes released so far for 8th as AoS since launch. With both being around 20ish (I'm not including indexs or AOS legacy rules). But 40k was in June 2017 and AoS was in 2015. I know some of you, or maybe a lot, don't like AoS. But some people do. And IMHO neglect is what killed the old WHFB.

20ish releases in a year. Wow. We have never had a release rate that fast before.

WHFB wasn't really neglected. Or at least GW were continuing to update armies at a rate of about 3-4 per year as it had done for a decade. The problem was that with such a large roster this meant armies were going 4 years without anything new and that's a long time. (Or in the case of certain factions, far longer - insert Bret moaning here).

This was compounded by zero balance updates and the - possibly heretical claim - that 8th edition's rules were just not that great. I had some good times when two casual armies deliberately blundered into each other, and you forged a narrative to generate some laughs - but the moment people started optimising lists, or strategies the whole thing collapsed. "I'm 6 dicing dwellers" etc wasn't fun.

There was also the fact that GW faced proper competition from X-Wing, Warmachine 2.0 etc. Factions in these games seemed to be getting updated every 6 months rather than every 6 years and this was a lot more exciting. (Admittedly I think model/rules bloat eventually harmed them both - especially Warmahordes, much like it caused problems for GW, but ymmv).

I think the real issue for 40k is not the model releases - but that the FAQ update was a major let down. I was hoping for something to shake up the meta because while Soup domination isn't yet as dull as 7th's, its really going that way. I was hoping it would start a new "season" for want of a better word - and send people back to the drawing board in the way limiting deep striking and the rule of 3 did before. Instead the crap stuff remained crap, and some of the good stuff got a slight knock.

But hey, maybe Chapter Approved will act like a Codex 2.0 for most factions in the game.
Unfortunately I'm not betting on it.

Tyel wrote:

Tygre wrote:
I wish AoS had 40k's release rate. 40k has had about the same amount of codexes released so far for 8th as AoS since launch. With both being around 20ish (I'm not including indexs or AOS legacy rules). But 40k was in June 2017 and AoS was in 2015. I know some of you, or maybe a lot, don't like AoS. But some people do. And IMHO neglect is what killed the old WHFB.

20ish releases in a year. Wow. We have never had a release rate that fast before.

WHFB wasn't really neglected. Or at least GW were continuing to update armies at a rate of about 3-4 per year as it had done for a decade. The problem was that with such a large roster this meant armies were going 4 years without anything new and that's a long time. (Or in the case of certain factions, far longer - insert Bret moaning here).

This was compounded by zero balance updates and the - possibly heretical claim - that 8th edition's rules were just not that great. I had some good times when two casual armies deliberately blundered into each other, and you forged a narrative to generate some laughs - but the moment people started optimising lists, or strategies the whole thing collapsed. "I'm 6 dicing dwellers" etc wasn't fun.

There was also the fact that GW faced proper competition from X-Wing, Warmachine 2.0 etc. Factions in these games seemed to be getting updated every 6 months rather than every 6 years and this was a lot more exciting. (Admittedly I think model/rules bloat eventually harmed them both - especially Warmahordes, much like it caused problems for GW, but ymmv).

I think the real issue for 40k is not the model releases - but that the FAQ update was a major let down. I was hoping for something to shake up the meta because while Soup domination isn't yet as dull as 7th's, its really going that way. I was hoping it would start a new "season" for want of a better word - and send people back to the drawing board in the way limiting deep striking and the rule of 3 did before. Instead the crap stuff remained crap, and some of the good stuff got a slight knock.

But hey, maybe Chapter Approved will act like a Codex 2.0 for most factions in the game.
Unfortunately I'm not betting on it.

The time between now and the release of Chapter Approved is longer than some people seem to think, so I do think that most people will be sick of the stale state the game is in by then. Hopefully Chapter Approved has a fair few large changes in it to really make the game more interesting, because chances are it'll be too late to just wait to do this next year.

I simply see this issue as personal burnout, and not anything on GW's part.

You can't stay enthused about one thing indefinitely. You'll get bored and want something different. If you're feeling that, play something else for a while. It'll come back around.

 Xenomancers wrote:
No new models. Codex release is down to nothing. Good for orkies but this is taking too long anyways.

Where are the sisters of battle...where is ynnari? Where is codex space marines 2.0? Why a new mini game/ board game ever week but no new models?

Come on GW. It's almost like you don't want my money.

They seem to be roughly apace. July 2018 was the only month without at least one Codex release.

June 2017 - Indexes
July 2017 - Marines
August 2017 - Chaos Marines, Grey Knights
September 2017 - Death Guard, Mechanicus
October 2017 - Astra Militarum, Craftworlds
November 2017 - Tyranids
December 2017 - Blood Angels, Dark Angels
January 2018 - Custodes, Demons
February 2018 - Thousand Sons
March 2018 - Tau, Necrons
April 2018 - Drukhari
May 2018 - Deathwatch, Harlequins
June 2018 - Imperial Knights
July 2018 - Times of Sorrow
August 2018 - Space Wolves
September 2018 - Elucidian Starstriders, Gellerpox Infected
October 2018 - Orks [?]
November 2018 - Genestealer Cults [?]

I'm sure there will be something big to push Christmas sales as well.

At any rate, I'm still got enough of a painting queue to last the winter. Should keep me busy till Primaris 2.0 or Sisters are out.

 Stux wrote:
I simply see this issue as personal burnout, and not anything on GW's part.

You can't stay enthused about one thing indefinitely. You'll get bored and want something different. If you're feeling that, play something else for a while. It'll come back around.

Not sure about the others but I know I'm burned out from the game because of how 8th edition plays and the general lack of fun that I experience in 8th. Whenever I get to play a game of 7th I have a ton of fun but sadly it's difficult to get people to play 7th these days.

 Stux wrote:
I simply see this issue as personal burnout, and not anything on GW's part.

You can't stay enthused about one thing indefinitely. You'll get bored and want something different. If you're feeling that, play something else for a while. It'll come back around.

Ok I started a few months after my friends. We play in the same place against each other, and other people around here. If I feel burned out, they should feel the same. Oddly enough, it does not seem the case for some people. Those that play eldar feel just fine, and felt fine when they started. Same with the guy who plays IG soups. On the other hand the one that started BA quit 3 months ago, the one that played primaris sm and then DW quit too. I would quit too, but unlike the BA/DW player, I did not get a few months of fun playing the lists.

As the play something else, how do you play something else with a GK list? The primaris player here, could switch to DW, there is no other faction that looks like GK.

Karol wrote:

 Stux wrote:
I simply see this issue as personal burnout, and not anything on GW's part.

You can't stay enthused about one thing indefinitely. You'll get bored and want something different. If you're feeling that, play something else for a while. It'll come back around.

Ok I started a few months after my friends. We play in the same place against each other, and other people around here. If I feel burned out, they should feel the same. Oddly enough, it does not seem the case for some people. Those that play eldar feel just fine, and felt fine when they started. Same with the guy who plays IG soups. On the other hand the one that started BA quit 3 months ago, the one that played primaris sm and then DW quit too. I would quit too, but unlike the BA/DW player, I did not get a few months of fun playing the lists.

As the play something else, how do you play something else with a GK list? The primaris player here, could switch to DW, there is no other faction that looks like GK.

I think he means play a different game. Something other than 40k or Games Workshop related. Check out the competition and see if anything interests you if 40k isn't quite doing it for you atm.

Wow this some 1st world problems right here. We've just got Big faq and CA coming out, let all the codex's get theirs then ask for new gak.

Karol wrote:

 Stux wrote:
I simply see this issue as personal burnout, and not anything on GW's part.

You can't stay enthused about one thing indefinitely. You'll get bored and want something different. If you're feeling that, play something else for a while. It'll come back around.

Ok I started a few months after my friends. We play in the same place against each other, and other people around here. If I feel burned out, they should feel the same. Oddly enough, it does not seem the case for some people. Those that play eldar feel just fine, and felt fine when they started. Same with the guy who plays IG soups. On the other hand the one that started BA quit 3 months ago, the one that played primaris sm and then DW quit too. I would quit too, but unlike the BA/DW player, I did not get a few months of fun playing the lists.

As the play something else, how do you play something else with a GK list? The primaris player here, could switch to DW, there is no other faction that looks like GK.

As a SoB/Inquisition player I get the fatigue at seeing so much but seeing you're own army stagnant. And while I agree that it's part of the Internet/news culture, I think there are a few things that have been mentioned that are worth trying. The only new(?) thing I can think of to suggest is see if anyone is interested in games of Kill Team.

I really don't think GW is doing anything wrong, but I'm personally in waiting mode too. The Primaris line feels incomplete, and I already have most of the stuff that has been released thus far, and I'm not in hurry of getting more of the same. The Rogue Trader thing seemed awesome, but that is even more incomplete faction, I'm waiting to see whether they get a proper release that allows at least some customisation. My Eldar alliance project has stalled, as I'm waiting to see the eventual fate of the Ynnari, and of course (like most people) I'm waiting for the SoB.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Wow this some 1st world problems right here. We've just got Big faq and CA coming out, let all the codex's get theirs then ask for new gak.

The big faq was pathetic. We waited 6 months for a few rules that could have been written up in 6 minutes. Seriously. Why do you expect so little?
Last CA was also a joke. probably 300 entries or more need balancing and they adjusted like 10. Plus adjusted a few models that didn't need adjusting - like warlocks.

Anyways - unless you count new BA and DA primaris kits - which are basically not even new kits. We've had practically no new models for about 1 1/2 years. I mean rouge trades characters...who the heck cares? That is what I am mostly depressed about. You know writing codex does not prevent them from producing models right?

Darsath wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Stux wrote:
I simply see this issue as personal burnout, and not anything on GW's part.

You can't stay enthused about one thing indefinitely. You'll get bored and want something different. If you're feeling that, play something else for a while. It'll come back around.

Ok I started a few months after my friends. We play in the same place against each other, and other people around here. If I feel burned out, they should feel the same. Oddly enough, it does not seem the case for some people. Those that play eldar feel just fine, and felt fine when they started. Same with the guy who plays IG soups. On the other hand the one that started BA quit 3 months ago, the one that played primaris sm and then DW quit too. I would quit too, but unlike the BA/DW player, I did not get a few months of fun playing the lists.

As the play something else, how do you play something else with a GK list? The primaris player here, could switch to DW, there is no other faction that looks like GK.

I think he means play a different game. Something other than 40k or Games Workshop related. Check out the competition and see if anything interests you if 40k isn't quite doing it for you atm.

Bingo!

Karol, everyone has different tolerances for these things. And it's also affected by other things going on in your life. How positive we feel about different aspects of our lives is incredibly complex, so no basically. Just because you started at the same time doesn't mean you will burn out at the same time.

If your hobby is causing you more stress than joy, for whatever reason, you need to step away from that hobby for a while.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Seriously...Am I the only one that's been waiting multiple years of my life to have these things in exchange for my money?

I've been waiting 18 years for GW to update my IG regiment. To make matters worse they just axed every regiment model line except Catachans/Cadia. Perhaps they forgot they just exploded Cadia?

 Xenomancers wrote:
If IG went to a new more modern looking battle tank look for their armor I'd instantly be hooked.

Careful what you wish for. Have you seen the Taurox or the new ork vehicles? I think whomever is designing does an absolutely fantastic job with infantry. Vehicles on the other hand...they should stop.

 Stux wrote:

Darsath wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Stux wrote:
I simply see this issue as personal burnout, and not anything on GW's part.

You can't stay enthused about one thing indefinitely. You'll get bored and want something different. If you're feeling that, play something else for a while. It'll come back around.

Ok I started a few months after my friends. We play in the same place against each other, and other people around here. If I feel burned out, they should feel the same. Oddly enough, it does not seem the case for some people. Those that play eldar feel just fine, and felt fine when they started. Same with the guy who plays IG soups. On the other hand the one that started BA quit 3 months ago, the one that played primaris sm and then DW quit too. I would quit too, but unlike the BA/DW player, I did not get a few months of fun playing the lists.

As the play something else, how do you play something else with a GK list? The primaris player here, could switch to DW, there is no other faction that looks like GK.

I think he means play a different game. Something other than 40k or Games Workshop related. Check out the competition and see if anything interests you if 40k isn't quite doing it for you atm.

Bingo!

Karol, everyone has different tolerances for these things. And it's also affected by other things going on in your life. How positive we feel about different aspects of our lives is incredibly complex, so no basically. Just because you started at the same time doesn't mean you will burn out at the same time.

If your hobby is causing you more stress than joy, for whatever reason, you need to step away from that hobby for a while.

And sometimes its not just a case of stepping away from GW and moving to another wargame; but perhaps stepping away from wargames miniatures and models totally and trying something else. Football; nature walking; photography; self defence; art; reading; writing; juggling; smithing; crafting; swordplay; knitting etc.....

It's perfectly normal to get burnout and it can strike with little to no warning and sometimes has nothing to do with the hobby and can be influenced by factors totally outside of it. It's natural and normal and best to move on and try something else or focus on life for a bit. Then come back refreshed and ready.
The ones that doggedly hang on can often get very irate, irritable and stressy as the hobby stops being fun to them and becomes a chore/duty/obligation and they can get very bitter at others.

It can even happen with social groups - I've seen more than a few people outgrow a forum who are convinced everyone else is at fault and will scream and cry and cause all kinds of trouble against others or other groups (new people are often a fond target). When in truth they've just developed beyond the forum and have outgrown it and are best to move on. No one is at fault, its just natural normal change.

 Xenomancers wrote:
If IG went to a new more modern looking battle tank look for their armor I'd instantly be hooked.

Oh, I missed this bit. Hell no! The Cadians already look too modern. The Guard needs to be more of a weirdly steampunkish anachronism mess, not less. Vostroyans were the right direction.

 Commissar Benny wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Seriously...Am I the only one that's been waiting multiple years of my life to have these things in exchange for my money?

I've been waiting 18 years for GW to update my IG regiment. To make matters worse they just axed every regiment model line except Catachans/Cadia. Perhaps they forgot they just exploded Cadia?

 Xenomancers wrote:
If IG went to a new more modern looking battle tank look for their armor I'd instantly be hooked.

Careful what you wish for. Have you seen the Taurox or the new ork vehicles? I think whomever is designing does an absolutely fantastic job with infantry. Vehicles on the other hand...they should stop.

Well then - I am sure you have looked into 3rd party models for this - found some really awesome looking stuff out there. Russ that look like Abrams or challenger tanks - they look good. Meanwhile - GW producing rouge trade character kits that no one wants and waiting to conduct polls to find out if people want sisters armies.

Yea, gonna break with you on the above. I love that IG is a throw back to everything WW1 to the mid 80s.

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
If IG went to a new more modern looking battle tank look for their armor I'd instantly be hooked.

Oh, I missed this bit. Hell no! The Cadians already look too modern. The Guard needs to be more of a weirdly steampunkish anachronism mess, not less. Vostroyans were the right direction.

IDK man. If you look at tank history - it only took about 30 years to go from WW1 tanks to modern looking battle tanks. I see no reason why IG tanks should still look like WW1 tanks.

Chimera has a modern look - It looks like a Warrior IFV to me. Valkeries look super futuristic. Russ just seem so behind the times. I hate the way they look.

This is the future of IG Tanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Tank
*

I agree that they should keep the whole mad-ww1 style to them. Going modern would totally destroy their appeal. IG are about big tanks with bulky guns and turrets and all sorts of stuff like that. If you want a sleek efficient modern (Scifi) army then go for Eldar or Tau.



*For added power it should be equipped with rocket boosters on the main wheels (just like the mobile bomb from Dad's army)

 Xenomancers wrote:

IDK man. If you look at tank history - it only took about 30 years to go from WW1 tanks to modern looking battle tanks. I see no reason why IG tanks should still look like WW1 tanks.

Yeah, 40K so doesn't work like that...

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

IDK man. If you look at tank history - it only took about 30 years to go from WW1 tanks to modern looking battle tanks. I see no reason why IG tanks should still look like WW1 tanks.

Yeah, 40K so doesn't work like that...

The dudes have laser weapons - they shouldn't be using the first tank in history as a base for their armored core. These are actually earthlings here.

 Xenomancers wrote:

The dudes have laser weapons - they shouldn't be using the first tank in history as a base for their armored core. These are actually earthlings here.

Just no. Nothing in this is supposed to make sense. House-sized walking battle robots don't make sense either. Guard aesthetic is WWI/WWII inspired, the more more modern aesthetic ques go to the Marines (now thankfully with some added grav flavour.) The end.

Dudes armed with lasers backed up by tanks with gun turrets too small to actually fit crew and led by dudes wielding chainsword saws in a universe where melee combat is somehow effective despite automatic weapons and orbital bombardment are in liberal use, 40k makes no sense in a ton of ways

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

IDK man. If you look at tank history - it only took about 30 years to go from WW1 tanks to modern looking battle tanks. I see no reason why IG tanks should still look like WW1 tanks.

Yeah, 40K so doesn't work like that...

The dudes have laser weapons - they shouldn't be using the first tank in history as a base for their armored core. These are actually earthlings here.

The setting isn't supposed to make sense or be super modern. The Russ and other guard vehicles being a throw back is a deliberate choice and one that give IG character. It's a WW1 tank that can take down hover craft and run on wood if need be. It's awesome but impractical which is the definition of 40k.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Dudes armed with lasers backed up by tanks with gun turrets too small to actually fit crew and led by dudes wielding chainsword saws in a universe where melee combat is somehow effective despite automatic weapons and orbital bombardment are in liberal use, 40k makes no sense in a ton of ways

Whats wrong with making IG tanks look like actual functional tanks? I assure you. Design a new russ that looks more like an Abrams/challenger tank and it will sell tons.

To me - IG represent modern military - the more they look like modern military the better.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Dudes armed with lasers backed up by tanks with gun turrets too small to actually fit crew and led by dudes wielding chainsword saws in a universe where melee combat is somehow effective despite automatic weapons and orbital bombardment are in liberal use, 40k makes no sense in a ton of ways

Whats wrong with making IG tanks look like actual functional tanks? I assure you. Design a new russ that looks more like an Abrams/challenger tank and it will sell tons.

To me - IG represent modern military - the more they look like modern military the better.

Just no! Nothing could be more boring. Modern military is boring as feth. Sure, IG could use new tanks, but not modern inspired ones.


Somethink like this Keith Thompson concept art would be cool and fitting.