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2018/10/22 15:47:26
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Regarding genestealers, I think “Patriarch” makes sense because, following the Alien (1978) concept, the human host is the receptacle being “impregnated.”
That said, some female GCultists would be great, demonstrating how the xenos blight infects human society at large. I’d like to see for example a female Imperial noble who is a GCultist.
I think there is an unfortunate implication that infected women (or women mating with infected men), are kept more or less perpetually pregnant to produce a large hybrid population. It isn't like the genestealers would care about the health of their populations.
Part of this is a consequence of stuffing genestealers under tyranids. If they were independent aliens trying to establish a power base of their own, it could be more nuanced, but the 'call the hive fleet, get harvested' cycle makes it moot. They want a larger compliant population (partly to not resist and partly to turn on the host population) and that's it.
I'm also not convinced GW could do a good job on female hybrids without the models looking fairly ridiculous.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2018/10/22 16:29:36
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Virtually every part of the Imperium is gender blind: female models should exisist (as they do in the offical background) for ALL except:
Space Marines and maybe Custodes - same as Males should be present in all except Adepta Soroitas
Chapter Serfs (if they ever do them) can be female (not aspiriants)
Every other Imperial and Chaos model range/faction should have some females. Same with the Necrons, Tau and the Eldar.
Genstealer Hybrids/Cultists are also poorly done in this respect and should have some females.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Virtually every part of the Imperium is gender blind: female models should exisist (as they do in the offical background) for ALL except:
Space Marines and maybe Custodes - same as Males should be present in all except Adepta Soroitas
Chapter Serfs (if they ever do them) can be female (not aspiriants)
Every other Imperial and Chaos model range/faction should have some females. Same with the Necrons, Tau and the Eldar.
Genstealer Hybrids/Cultists are also poorly done in this respect and should have some females.
Don't really agree on necrons. They should have the dial firmly set on 'gender is irrelevant.'
It simply isn't an issue for machines with vague or no memories of flesh.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2018/10/22 16:45:03
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Virtually every part of the Imperium is gender blind: female models should exisist (as they do in the offical background) for ALL except:
Space Marines and maybe Custodes - same as Males should be present in all except Adepta Soroitas
Chapter Serfs (if they ever do them) can be female (not aspiriants)
Every other Imperial and Chaos model range/faction should have some females. Same with the Necrons, Tau and the Eldar.
Genstealer Hybrids/Cultists are also poorly done in this respect and should have some females.
Don't really agree on necrons. They should have the dial firmly set on 'gender is irrelevant.'
It simply isn't an issue for machines with vague or no memories of flesh.
We have female Necron characters already in the lore.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Virtually every part of the Imperium is gender blind: female models should exisist (as they do in the offical background) for ALL except:
Space Marines and maybe Custodes - same as Males should be present in all except Adepta Soroitas
Chapter Serfs (if they ever do them) can be female (not aspiriants)
Every other Imperial and Chaos model range/faction should have some females. Same with the Necrons, Tau and the Eldar.
Genstealer Hybrids/Cultists are also poorly done in this respect and should have some females.
Don't really agree on necrons. They should have the dial firmly set on 'gender is irrelevant.'
It simply isn't an issue for machines with vague or no memories of flesh.
Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2018/10/22 17:35:52
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Galas wrote: Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Given that the first female Necrons were mentioned in Xenology back in 2006, they're very much 'Oldcrons'.
Not to mention a Necron Lord cosplayed as an Inquisitior so it's not like they were completely devoid of personalities and intelligence even back then. The old codex was written more from the viewpoint of the Imperium than the Necrons themselves which is likely why they came across lacking personality to us lore wise.
2018/10/22 18:46:48
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Staples of female models in 40K were Eldar Banshees, SoB, Daemonettes and the occasional female Inquisitor and Assassin. Also please don´t start a flame war about the actual gender of Daemonettes. They might be female or even hermaphrodites. Being daemons they could be both or neither.
Would it be sensible to add more types of females into 40K? Let´s see what cliche categories usually attributed to females in fiction already exist in 40K:
Strong and independent woman Some imperial Inquisitors, some Archons & Succubi.
Pious nuns All SoB units.
Femme Fatales Imperial Assassins.
Amazons Eldar Banshees, some Wyches.
Temptress Daemonettes.
So what is still missing in model form?
Off the top of my head it would be a robot woman (e.g. Terminatrix from Terminator 3) and an alien woman (e.g. Species). So would anybody on this forum like to have a model of an infiltrating, shapeshifting Necron woman consisting of living metal and/or a tyranid creature resembling a human woman?
2018/10/22 18:56:06
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
How about *not* cliches and just represented as part of the general model pool? Less negative tropes (which a lot of those fall into) and more general population, along the lines of eldar guardians.
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I'm also curious about what 'female necrons' folks are referring to. (Though I still don't see a point of gender on robots).
Though ironically, fluff-wise Ad Mech has had a relatively high proportion of women in novels and such, at least this century. <Titles> of Mars, Mechanicum, even Wrath of Iron, though I don't think the model range reflects it.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2018/10/22 18:59:05
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Galas wrote: Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Given that the first female Necrons were mentioned in Xenology back in 2006, they're very much 'Oldcrons'.
Wait, where? I don't remember that.
The main Necronlord refers to other Necronnobles as "Lords and Ladies of a forgotten age" or something like that. He definitely had personality, and along with some of the Oldcron era short stories, put the lie to the idea that Oldcrons were boring or bland. But the portrayal was apparently too subtle or buried under too much fluff written from the squishy perspective, so now we have Newcrons.
Voss wrote: How about *not* cliches and just represented as part of the general model pool? Less negative tropes (which a lot of those fall into) and more general population, along the lines of eldar guardians.
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I'm also curious about what 'female necrons' folks are referring to
GW would then have to change a lot of existing kits like Imperial Guard & Eldar Guardians. They can´t be bothered to do this because it is a lot of work and therefore it is easier to just create a new unit and create an elite slot like robot/alien woman as in my example.
2018/10/22 19:01:50
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
BaconCatBug wrote: Saying a Necron is female is like saying a french chair is female, nothing but semantics and entirely pointless.
You do know that every Necron once had a biological body, presumably with a gender, right?
I agree with this. Regardless of what is your idea about the subject IRL, this is an universe with souls. These souls inhabited a specific body (and could or could not recognize themselves with the gender of that body but it was there, and it's another matter entirely).
These creatures have different degrees of memory also, so they are going to have some imprint of what was there before.
Generic characters disappearing? Elite units of your army losing options and customizations? No longer finding that motivation to convert?
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2018/10/22 19:11:47
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
BaconCatBug wrote: Saying a Necron is female is like saying a french chair is female, nothing but semantics and entirely pointless.
Furniture is often described as masculine or feminine actually. I would hope you know that.
Female Necrons - its part of their character and personality.
Whilst it might (for some reason) be pointless to you - its certainly not to anyone interested in the characters and their stories.
It also allows subtle (or even less subtle) differences in models - which is no bad thing for Necron Overlords for example.
To assist you part of the freely available extract from Sheld of Baal Devourer.
Spoiler:
Slowly its identity returned, dripping through the feeds that connected it. A name. An existence. A life. A person. Valnyr. Memories joined the name. Identity flowed through her limbs, brought the panic away. Female. It was a she, a female, when such biological distinctions had mattered, during the Time of Flesh, before biotransference. When her race had strode the stars with bodies of meat and bone, before they had been deceived by Mephet’ran, the Messenger, the golden-tongued star god.
A laugh, a shrieking mad cackle, left her, vocalised in the synthetic sound that served her as a voice. The sound reeked of unknowable hunger, of desperation and fear.
Breath. Oxygen. Valnyr was beyond such needs, had been past such requirements for uncounted millennia. She would have smiled, were the skull that served her as features to allow such a gesture.
The panic bled away, the momentary distractions of awakening. Half-remembered preparations and theoretical constructions mumbled in some part of her consciousness.
Trepidation. Concern. These emotions cascaded through her limbs, setting her skull ablaze. The lack of clear memory set her to panic in a way the lack of breath could never equal. The fear of death, the erosion of identity: was this how it began?
Valnyr shuddered. That fear ran through every choice her race had made, the terror of mortality, the grasping jealousy of the overlooked and the passed over. It had led them, in their pride, to war with the old races. It had led them to the abandonment of their very lives.
Twinned emotions had driven her to this place and to this moment: vengeance and the fear of death. The latter, though perhaps not as easily admitted by the proud, was more influential than the former. Frailty and mortality. Easily deceived by the promises of the accursed star gods, these things had driven her entire race into the arms of hubris and made them easy prey to the blandishments of false, vampiric gods. In the end, it had broken their glory. Bereft of the vigour of the living races, Valnyr’s kin had stagnated.
Valnyr mused on what had brought her here, considered the paths her life had taken. Vague memories of mortality, the hint of an identity she no longer coveted, haunted her.
Her sarcophagus shook. Momentum and rushing wind battered the ancient box. Light burned through as the wall facing her became translucent. Quartz-eaten caverns flashed past, marked with lurid green. Metal spread along the caverns, adorning the stone like mould.
Indicators flashed from red to green. A chime beeped. She cancelled it with a thought, banishing the noise. Gravity shifted. Her weight settled on her skeletal feet. Steam whistled and, with subtle pops, the lid to her prison disengaged. Air wafted in, the lifeless sterile atmosphere of the tomb world of Kehlrantyr, tinged with the dust of uncounted ages, utterly empty and devoid of movement. Perfect.
Valnyr, High Cryptek to the Kehlrantyr Dynasts, stepped from the sarcophagus and onto the obsidian floor. She resisted the urge to stretch. Valnyr had gone to the Great Sleep in glory, in a chamber rich with carvings and light. She awoke from that sleep in the same chamber. She emerged from her sarcophagus into ruins.
The walls were broken, caved in by seismic shifting. Neglect, nearly tangible on the still air, ate into everything. Tarnished metal shot through the cold, lifeless rock.
She looked down, her hands outstretched. Her chassis had taken on the form of a skeleton, bones formed from subtly rippling living metal. A strange drift from how she had looked prior to the Great Sleep.
She exhaled, steam vapour leaking from between her clenched jaws. Cracks ran through the chamber, fissures driving deep where unmarred obsidian had once echoed. Quartz crystals sprouted from the fissures, glowing slightly against the darkness. Swooping curves and crossed lines glowed green in the gloom, marking ancient devotions to the c’tan. Name runes whispered prayers, titles and devotions that the necrons had broken and betrayed. Her eyes focused on the symbol of the Void Dragon, the being to whom Valnyr had once bowed.
‘Never again,’ she vocalised. The words hung in the still air, the sound vibrations nearly visible to the vision granted by her metal chassis. Some unknown emotion gnawed at the pit of her being.
Floating on anti-gravitic suspensor fields, an attendant canoptek spyder hovered into Valnyr’s field of vision. Its head, a blocky thing coated with gently blinking lenses, cocked to one side. Curiosity engrams, pre-programmed aeons ago, drove the construct. Sensors winked and scrutinised. Probes extended, tasting the air, examining the electromagnetic fields her skeletal body generated.
She needed to awaken the Dynasts, the overlord and her kin. That was her function. That was her task.
Valnyr started to move, but sensation fired along her neural links. Her mouth cracked open, but no sound emerged. She doubled over, her knees crashing into the stone. Seizures laced through her, jerking her body in random motions. She could hear a buzzing, low and deep.
The sensation passed. Something whispered at the back of her mind. With the moment’s passing, more panic lanced through her. She despised the lack of control, feared any erosion of her authority. Anxiety kicked into life, driving along the synaptic cables that laced through her body. Sensation dimmed. Her eyesight grew dark as the panicked emotion drove away her senses.
In the wake of the fit, a new question emerged.
The Great Sleep had clearly ended, but what had prompted her awakening now? Vague memories of necrons striding across Kehlrantyr came to mind, but there was no time stamp associated with them.
The same unknown feeling flashed through her, bright and malignant. She doubled over, clutching at the unmoving canoptek spyder with fingers of living metal. Her vision blacked out completely. Valnyr lost all control over her motive functions. The canoptek machine compensated, its only reaction a rotation of its head, slow and deliberate.
Sensors stabbed from where its jaws would be. She staggered back. Static emerged from between her jaws, static and panic. Her mind fuzzed, overwhelmed. She felt hunger. Scrabbling, horror mounting, Valnyr surged back to her feet. She could hear a faint buzzing noise.
‘No!’ Valnyr commanded.
Denied its ability to test, to assure purity, the machine drifted away and awaited further orders, looking somehow chastised. Granted a degree of autonomy not usually seen among the constructs of the necrons, the canoptek spyders were responsible for the maintenance of the necrons in their sleeping state. Granted incredibly resilient and robust processors, they had even mimicked independent intelligence.
She appreciated the efforts of the machine in the same way that a person would appreciate an unthinking tool. If there were issues with her awakening, Valnyr would rather test them herself than rely upon the canoptek spyder’s probing senses. Corrections could be made without the constructs’ in-built programs accidentally detecting anomalies and prescribing eradication as the only possible solution. Worry gnawed at her, but she reasoned away the malignant fit as a side effect of the awakening process.
Doors of polished obsidian cracked open. Valnyr left her chamber, canoptek spyder following on her heels, and strode off into the silent tomb world. She entered into a far vaster chamber than the one she had awoken in. On obsidian walls, resplendent in unbroken glory, carved and shaped by the whims of her long-dead people, phalanxes of Kehlrantyr’s most fabled heroes marched.
The skeletal shapes of necrons warred with the lithe alien eldar. Stylised and wrapped in stygian shadows, the carvings were a thing of wonder. Evidence of the pride of Kehlrantyr, its legions of fierce warriors marched across the walls, bound for the glorious wars that served as her history.
Bulwark of the War in Heaven, defender of the dead and doom of the living. This was the reputation Kehlrantyr had earned in ages past. The walls were pristine, kept serviced by scuttling scarabs. They betrayed little of the entropy that had greeted her in her awakening chambers. But the silence was a melancholy thing, thick and turgid in the air. It spoke of ages lost, of time slipped by unremembered and unmourned. The Great Sleep smothered Kehlrantyr.
She stopped in a vast, circular room. Warrior friezes, twelve in all, stared out from the walls. Valnyr walked towards one of the figures and rested her hand on the cheek of the warrior’s skull.
‘Shaudukar,’ she whispered. The name helped dispel the disquiet she felt, driving it to the back of her mind. Then she stepped back, moving towards the centre. The canoptek spyder merely hovered, waiting, probes extended.
An infrasonic buzzing vibrated her metal bones, emanating from the circuitry that laced the walls. Cracks sounded and vapour shot from new fissures. This was no sudden onset of the passage of eons, however. Valnyr adopted the pose of restful relaxation and waited.
Sections of the walls, each marked by a single stylised warrior, pulled away from the rest of the obsidian panels and floated. Slots opened in the floor and the blocks ground into the depths of Kehlrantyr. Vapour hissed with greater intensity. Cruciform shapes resolved from the white steam, and caskets, similar to the one she had recently stepped from, were carved with the images of those who slumbered within.
Her left hand indicated a smile, while her right began the pose of greeting.
Shaudukar’s, fittingly, was the first casket to open. The lychguard was her friend from the time before biotransference. Armoured in thick plates of metal, spine overarched to shelter her head, Shaudukar was a fearsome sight.
Poblaaur’s casket opened next, followed by ten more, until her lychguard surrounded her. They hung, crucified in the sleep of eons. Cables and circuits were attached all over their bodies, snaking through their metal bones. Green lights flickered around them, shining through the steam. The canoptek spyder behind her chattered and broadcast the frequency of awakening.
The bodies jerked in their cradles.
Valnyr awaited their resurrection with excitement. She looked forward to the reunion, eager to hear the voices and thoughts of her guard. Their bonds had been forged in the turbulent days of war against the treacherous and hateful eldar. Those bonds had only been strengthened by conversion as loyalty engrams had rewritten portions of the lychguards’ personality to ensure devotion beyond even that which they had exhibited in their mortality. These lychguard were Valnyr’s wardens, gifts from the Dynasts.
The green lights gave way to arcs of corposant that juddered between the limbs and along the spines of the lychguard.
Emerald balefires flashed in Shaudukar’s eyes, winking with intelligence programs being brought back online. She awoke, the first to do so. Shaudukar, oldest and truest friend of the cryptek called Valnyr. Shaudukar, leader of her lychguard. She fell from the casket. The others followed, some crunching to their knees. Shaudukar’s fist crashed to her chest plate in the old salute. The others echoed her scant seconds later, except for Poblaaur.
Shaudukar said nothing as her sentience resumed control of her body, as she shrugged off the Great Sleep. She reached for her weapons from behind her casket, arming herself with her warscythe and shield. No nonsense and no fuss, as she had been in life. Valnyr felt relief to see her unchanged by sixty million years of dormancy.
Poblaaur kept his eyes dim, facing towards the wall.
‘My mistress,’ Shaudukar said. She stared at her hands.
Valnyr approached her, standing nearly uncomfortably close. For the status-obsessed necrons, where distance often indicated hierarchy and respect, it was an expression of great affection.
‘Shaudukar,’ Valnyr whispered the name. ‘I am glad you are awake.’
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Virtually every part of the Imperium is gender blind: female models should exisist (as they do in the offical background) for ALL except:
Space Marines and maybe Custodes - same as Males should be present in all except Adepta Soroitas
Chapter Serfs (if they ever do them) can be female (not aspiriants)
Every other Imperial and Chaos model range/faction should have some females. Same with the Necrons, Tau and the Eldar.
Genstealer Hybrids/Cultists are also poorly done in this respect and should have some females.
I know very little on genestealer life cycle but aren't the hybrid females like baby factories? If that's the case I'll pass
Automatically Appended Next Post: Necrons females would probably just have more feminine robes and more jewels I imagine
yes and no, some - they are also devoted fanatical parents willing to kill or die to save their children.
"Just" feminine robes?
Ah but we have entire Codexes that started with just different names for Chapters. Whilst I would not want to dive into that pit of flanderisation having more variety is surely a good thing - also its not just appearance - its names, styles, quotes, ideas, images.....
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Galas wrote: Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Given that the first female Necrons were mentioned in Xenology back in 2006, they're very much 'Oldcrons'.
Wait, where? I don't remember that.
The main Necronlord refers to other Necronnobles as "Lords and Ladies of a forgotten age" or something like that. He definitely had personality, and along with some of the Oldcron era short stories, put the lie to the idea that Oldcrons were boring or bland. But the portrayal was apparently too subtle or buried under too much fluff written from the squishy perspective, so now we have Newcrons.
Oh wow, I completely missed that. That's a neat little subtle hint. Though wouldn't that mean that there were necrontyr women, rather than there are necron women? I would think that after Biotransference the C'tan just wiped away those sort of features, as they are no important in a race of machine slaves. The Lord and Ladies line could be referring to how they were organic, but that such aspects are "forgotten" now I'm talking pre-5th ed fluff; might be different now that necrons are just metal people.
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What I have
~4100
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2018/10/22 20:05:18
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Galas wrote: Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Given that the first female Necrons were mentioned in Xenology back in 2006, they're very much 'Oldcrons'.
Wait, where? I don't remember that.
The main Necronlord refers to other Necronnobles as "Lords and Ladies of a forgotten age" or something like that. He definitely had personality, and along with some of the Oldcron era short stories, put the lie to the idea that Oldcrons were boring or bland. But the portrayal was apparently too subtle or buried under too much fluff written from the squishy perspective, so now we have Newcrons.
Oh wow, I completely missed that. That's a neat little subtle hint.
Though wouldn't that mean that there were necrontyr women, rather than there are necron women? I would think that after Biotransference the C'tan just wiped away those sort of features, as they are no important in a race of machine slaves. The Lord and Ladies line could be referring to how they were organic, but that such aspects are "forgotten" now
I'm talking pre-5th ed fluff; might be different now that necrons are just metal people.
The Necron Lords did seem to always have personailities - some much more than others. gender is a part of that personality - even if its only a rembembered part.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Galas wrote: Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Given that the first female Necrons were mentioned in Xenology back in 2006, they're very much 'Oldcrons'.
Wait, where? I don't remember that.
The main Necronlord refers to other Necronnobles as "Lords and Ladies of a forgotten age" or something like that. He definitely had personality, and along with some of the Oldcron era short stories, put the lie to the idea that Oldcrons were boring or bland. But the portrayal was apparently too subtle or buried under too much fluff written from the squishy perspective, so now we have Newcrons.
Oh wow, I completely missed that. That's a neat little subtle hint.
Though wouldn't that mean that there were necrontyr women, rather than there are necron women? I would think that after Biotransference the C'tan just wiped away those sort of features, as they are no important in a race of machine slaves. The Lord and Ladies line could be referring to how they were organic, but that such aspects are "forgotten" now
I'm talking pre-5th ed fluff; might be different now that necrons are just metal people.
The Necron Lords did seem to always have personailities - some much more than others. gender is a part of that personality - even if its only a rembembered part.
Fair enough. Bit odd for the C'tan to keep that, but maybe they didn't care enough to remove it.
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2018/10/22 20:10:02
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Galas wrote: Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Given that the first female Necrons were mentioned in Xenology back in 2006, they're very much 'Oldcrons'.
Wait, where? I don't remember that.
The main Necronlord refers to other Necronnobles as "Lords and Ladies of a forgotten age" or something like that. He definitely had personality, and along with some of the Oldcron era short stories, put the lie to the idea that Oldcrons were boring or bland. But the portrayal was apparently too subtle or buried under too much fluff written from the squishy perspective, so now we have Newcrons.
Oh wow, I completely missed that. That's a neat little subtle hint.
Though wouldn't that mean that there were necrontyr women, rather than there are necron women? I would think that after Biotransference the C'tan just wiped away those sort of features, as they are no important in a race of machine slaves. The Lord and Ladies line could be referring to how they were organic, but that such aspects are "forgotten" now
I'm talking pre-5th ed fluff; might be different now that necrons are just metal people.
The Necron Lords did seem to always have personailities - some much more than others. gender is a part of that personality - even if its only a rembembered part.
Fair enough. Bit odd for the C'tan to keep that, but maybe they didn't care enough to remove it.
Could be part of vengeance or a game, let them feel more what they were....
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Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
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If necrons are "genderless robots" then why are they referred to with male pronouns?
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2018/10/22 20:56:21
Subject: [poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Galas wrote: Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Given that the first female Necrons were mentioned in Xenology back in 2006, they're very much 'Oldcrons'.
Wait, where? I don't remember that.
The main Necronlord refers to other Necronnobles as "Lords and Ladies of a forgotten age" or something like that. He definitely had personality, and along with some of the Oldcron era short stories, put the lie to the idea that Oldcrons were boring or bland. But the portrayal was apparently too subtle or buried under too much fluff written from the squishy perspective, so now we have Newcrons.
Oh wow, I completely missed that. That's a neat little subtle hint.
Though wouldn't that mean that there were necrontyr women, rather than there are necron women? I would think that after Biotransference the C'tan just wiped away those sort of features, as they are no important in a race of machine slaves. The Lord and Ladies line could be referring to how they were organic, but that such aspects are "forgotten" now
I'm talking pre-5th ed fluff; might be different now that necrons are just metal people.
IN the old fluff, the Necrontyr who volunteered for bio transference kept their personalities more or less intact. The Necronlords (and Necronladies) should still remember their fleshly lives enough to remember their genders.
Galas wrote: Maybe for Olcrons but not for Newcrons: Egyptian Space Boogaloo.
Given that the first female Necrons were mentioned in Xenology back in 2006, they're very much 'Oldcrons'.
Wait, where? I don't remember that.
The main Necronlord refers to other Necronnobles as "Lords and Ladies of a forgotten age" or something like that. He definitely had personality, and along with some of the Oldcron era short stories, put the lie to the idea that Oldcrons were boring or bland. But the portrayal was apparently too subtle or buried under too much fluff written from the squishy perspective, so now we have Newcrons.
Oh wow, I completely missed that. That's a neat little subtle hint.
Though wouldn't that mean that there were necrontyr women, rather than there are necron women? I would think that after Biotransference the C'tan just wiped away those sort of features, as they are no important in a race of machine slaves. The Lord and Ladies line could be referring to how they were organic, but that such aspects are "forgotten" now
I'm talking pre-5th ed fluff; might be different now that necrons are just metal people.
IN the old fluff, the Necrontyr who volunteered for bio transference kept their personalities more or less intact. The Necronlords (and Necronladies) should still remember their fleshly lives enough to remember their genders.
And they do - extract above...
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Ah but we have entire Codexes that started with just different names for Chapters. Whilst I would not want to dive into that pit of flanderisation having more variety is surely a good thing - also its not just appearance - its names, styles, quotes, ideas, images.....
I was more or less getting at models, naturally I'd expect characters to have some character
I figure more long flowing robes though I don't even know if it's fair to call what Necrons have as robes but still. Looking at a stock Necron overlord, if I wanted to convey a more feminine presence, I don't really know, more ornate "robes", jeweled necklaces, a smaller frame, or more distinct headdresses, and smoother bodies.
That's how I would make them, but weren't their bodies made by the Catan? So unless the Catan cared enough to make dimorphic bodies for every female necrontyr. But at the same time not all the named HQs look overly similar, so bodies mods exist to some extent haha
Either way I support the idea of female Necrons just to satisfy my curiosity
2018/10/22 21:19:40
Subject: Re:[poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Do we even have a good pic of what the Necrons looked like prior to getting all terminator? I don't recall GW describing them in any detail other than vaguely human shaped and full of cancer.
2018/10/22 21:27:48
Subject: Re:[poll] In your opinion what is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
HoundsofDemos wrote: Do we even have a good pic of what the Necrons looked like prior to getting all terminator? I don't recall GW describing them in any detail other than vaguely human shaped and full of cancer.
Nyet. Not as far as I am aware. Although the shape of the Necrons should give us a idea of what they looked like.
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