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Lemondish wrote:


Does nobody know how rumours work?

Yeah. Someone on the internet says it, then it happens. Duh.

Btw, DG and 1000sons termis will be down too?

 zaeroner wrote:
Btw, DG and 1000sons termis will be down too?

Hopefully Custodes Terminators as well.

While a point or two off won't make a huge difference for Primaris or regular marines, a point or two off Chaos Cult marines could make the difference.

 kastelen wrote:
I wonder if stygies VIII will get a tactic different to the one all the other -1 to hit armies are getting since they already get a army wide cover with canticles.

What if these things stack? That would mean +3 to armor saves if you are in cover, which would make them insanely good against anything that isn't AP2 or better.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 kastelen wrote:
I wonder if stygies VIII will get a tactic different to the one all the other -1 to hit armies are getting since they already get a army wide cover with canticles.

What if these things stack? That would mean +3 to armor saves if you are in cover, which would make them insanely good against anything that isn't AP2 or better.

Canticles gives you cover if you dont have it already, so at most +2 for stygies at range 12" +

 kastelen wrote:
I wonder if stygies VIII will get a tactic different to the one all the other -1 to hit armies are getting since they already get a army wide cover with canticles.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the leak there shouldn't be a problem there; the trait gives an additional bonus to saves when in cover (so a +2 in cover, basically) while the canticle simply makes your entire army count as being in cover.

AdMech having pretty consistent access to a 2+ save is pretty good.

 themoob wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
A bit bummed Knights and Custodes were barely changed, but the -1 to hit armies going away alone more than makes up for that and is worth this CA. Good thing I still have my Deathshroud

Love myself some marine points drop

Knights and custodes aren't THAT bad. There's a reason why you never see mono armies of either.

The problem is soup, which GW seems very unwilling to fix.

The no-Fly on charge in the last FAQ helped a lot vs Custodes anyway, but Knights are still a problem. And I've seen mono-knight armies (ok, they had a bunch of IG just for CP -but those barely made 100p of the list) and they were terrifying

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 kastelen wrote:
I wonder if stygies VIII will get a tactic different to the one all the other -1 to hit armies are getting since they already get a army wide cover with canticles.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the leak there shouldn't be a problem there; the trait gives an additional bonus to saves when in cover (so a +2 in cover, basically) while the canticle simply makes your entire army count as being in cover.

AdMech having pretty consistent access to a 2+ save is pretty good.

I wouldn't be surprised if the trait is changed to be 'if a unit isn't in cover and is more than 12" away from enemy unit it automatically receives the benefit of cover.'

+1 to cover save would be insane for certain units and certain builds (Rangers have 2+ save in cover for example). In the case of Stygies I guess you'd use other canticles rather than the one that does nothing because of your trait.

 lolman1c wrote:
Honestly, My marine force is a narrative force only so any points drop at all would be a welcome change when i do narrative battles.

Same here, anything would help

More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

Pretty happy to see a point drop for terminators, and primaris troops. I wanted to add a squad of TH/SS Term's to my BT army, and it sounds like (if we can believe the rumors) those will be a good amount cheaper for a squad. Looking forward to that!

Also - No one has said anything about the possible point drop of the drop pods. Any thoughts on that? I think for 65 point (w/ SB) that would be more enticing.

I am also interested to see the possible point drops for named characters. I feel like I get a steal for my Emperor's Champion.... making him cheaper would almost feel like cheating.

I guess I am alone in thinking that having a 17ppm Primaris troop is a good thing? Must be the fact I don't play in tournaments.

All in all, I think GW is listening to the player base with the changes - again, assuming that list was accurate - and even if some of the units didnt drop as much as some would want... I say baby steps is ok.

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

If they don't drop the Vindicator's price, I will be pissed. Hopefully the Dread price drop is good, I really want to run an Angry Washing Machine again.

I just want to be able to play x1 Warhound at 1500 pts again

 CragHack wrote:
I just want to be able to play x1 Warhound at 1500 pts again

Rolls up newspaper. No! That's a bad warhound player.

 buddha wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
I just want to be able to play x1 Warhound at 1500 pts again

Rolls up newspaper. No! That's a bad warhound player.

The guy spent almost half a thousand pounds! Let him use his model the poor sucker.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

If they don't drop the Vindicator's price, I will be pissed. Hopefully the Dread price drop is good, I really want to run an Angry Washing Machine again.

Vindicators are the right price, just the rules are terrible. Denolisher cannon needs something like 2d3 shots standard at least.

Points changes are just the laziest fix for them and a lot of other stuff.

Punisher23 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

If they don't drop the Vindicator's price, I will be pissed. Hopefully the Dread price drop is good, I really want to run an Angry Washing Machine again.

Vindicators are the right price, just the rules are terrible. Denolisher cannon needs something like 2d3 shots standard at least.

Points changes are just the laziest fix for them and a lot of other stuff.

I can't speak with certainty, but if you're expecting changes beyond points changes for units or weapons, you're going to be disappointed.

Darsath wrote:

Punisher23 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

If they don't drop the Vindicator's price, I will be pissed. Hopefully the Dread price drop is good, I really want to run an Angry Washing Machine again.

Vindicators are the right price, just the rules are terrible. Denolisher cannon needs something like 2d3 shots standard at least.

Points changes are just the laziest fix for them and a lot of other stuff.

I can't speak with certainty, but if you're expecting changes beyond points changes for units or weapons, you're going to be disappointed.

It was mentioned that there is a good chance that there will be datasheets changes too.

Gryphonne wrote:

Darsath wrote:

Punisher23 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

If they don't drop the Vindicator's price, I will be pissed. Hopefully the Dread price drop is good, I really want to run an Angry Washing Machine again.

Vindicators are the right price, just the rules are terrible. Denolisher cannon needs something like 2d3 shots standard at least.

Points changes are just the laziest fix for them and a lot of other stuff.

I can't speak with certainty, but if you're expecting changes beyond points changes for units or weapons, you're going to be disappointed.

It was mentioned that there is a good chance that there will be datasheets changes too.

I see here a good occasion for Kommandos to find their heavy weapons back...

Darsath wrote:

Punisher23 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

If they don't drop the Vindicator's price, I will be pissed. Hopefully the Dread price drop is good, I really want to run an Angry Washing Machine again.

Vindicators are the right price, just the rules are terrible. Denolisher cannon needs something like 2d3 shots standard at least.

Points changes are just the laziest fix for them and a lot of other stuff.

I can't speak with certainty, but if you're expecting changes beyond points changes for units or weapons, you're going to be disappointed.

I know, just annoying that its its likely to be the eay way out, if it even does happen! The vindi should be at the danger level of a las pred, but even at 110/115 points the random shots make it such a gamble.

 Vector Strike wrote:
And I've seen mono-knight armies (ok, they had a bunch of IG just for CP -but those barely made 100p of the list) and they were terrifying

Then it wasn't a mono-Knight army, now was it? That 100 points of Guard providing another 5 CPs is a HUGE effect, especially when combined with some of the more devastating stratagems (Order of Companions, anyone?).

Honestly, all this ould have been avoided if GW had of waited a year before bringing out the codex. I saw the index as a beta for 8th edition and the marines codex came out a few weeks after what should have been a few months of solid testing.

Punisher23 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

If they don't drop the Vindicator's price, I will be pissed. Hopefully the Dread price drop is good, I really want to run an Angry Washing Machine again.

Vindicators are the right price, just the rules are terrible. Denolisher cannon needs something like 2d3 shots standard at least.

Points changes are just the laziest fix for them and a lot of other stuff.

They are priced correctly for 2d3 shots, yes. But at 1d6 shots, they are way too variable. I do hope the rumors are right and GW is reevaluating former blast weapon shots. I would love to see several weapons get shots changed.

I'd really like for ten rubrics with an icon of flame, two flamers and a soulreaper to not cost 250+ points. So a point drop on them would be very, very appreciated. But so far all anyone has posted has been space marine and cultist changes...

 cole1114 wrote:
I'd really like for ten rubrics with an icon of flame, two flamers and a soulreaper to not cost 250+ points. So a point drop on them would be very, very appreciated. But so far all anyone has posted has been space marine and cultist changes...

There is a bit of a dichotomy in the SM armies that GW seems to be attempting to avoid. On one hand, the bulk of the army's Troops should be, you know, the actual basic Troop unit (Tactical/Intercessor, Rubric, Plague, or Chaos Marines), with their secondary Troops being used as additional Troops (Scouts, Tzaangors, Poxwalkers, Cultists) forming a lesser portion. The problem is, since the basic Troops suck for their points, people just run a ton of the secondary Troops.

But honestly, I think the secondary Troops offer enough bonuses on their own that they shouldn't be much less expensive than the basic Troops. Scouts could be 10-11 pts, Tactical Marines could be 11-13 pts. I am not overly familiar with the stats of the other Troops to relate them to their basic counterparts.

Cultists at 5 points are still a steal, and people will still run 80+ of them. IG, Fire Warriors, etc can all follow suite.

I dont want to see Marines get so cheap that people run 100 of them, that just doesnt make sense for the "elite" troops of the setting. Raising other troops still balances the game again but maintains sanity.

 Malkyr wrote:
Cultists at 5 points are still a steal, and people will still run 80+ of them. IG, Fire Warriors, etc can all follow suite.

I dont want to see Marines get so cheap that people run 100 of them, that just doesnt make sense for the "elite" troops of the setting. Raising other troops still balances the game again but maintains sanity.

The thing is, is a Chaos Space Marine really worth 2.5x Cultists? That's where the whole breakdown comes up.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing is, is a Chaos Space Marine really worth 2.5x Cultists? That's where the whole breakdown comes up.

Heavens no. As long as Abaddon and the IW warlord trait are in the book to remove morale tests Cultists would be balanced at 6 or 7 points per model. People would absolutely still run them if Cultists were 7 and Marines were 12.

Am i the only one thinking that december 15th is a bad release date, so close to christmas ? I am waiting for CA, not buying anything until its out. Will my stuff arrive before christmas, when i order december 15th ?