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Last Year, they announced on 11/19 you could Pre-Order Chapter Approved on 11/25 for purchase on 12/2. Sure makes a 12/15 release date a very different choice than last year.

I must admit, Marines have never felt so paper thin for me (obviously this is my own experience).

Cultists are a problem because nobody knows how to price force multipliers. They’d be ok if they weren’t immune to morale

I think the crazy thing is that they count as chaos marines and get all the bonuses of their legions (especially when vehicles driven by actual CSMs don’t, but that’s a whole other thing). They should be like Gretchen in the ork book, without legion bonuses or stratagems. How the hell are these guys veterans of the long war?

Mandragola wrote:
Cultists are a problem because nobody knows how to price force multipliers. They’d be ok if they weren’t immune to morale

I think the crazy thing is that they count as chaos marines and get all the bonuses of their legions (especially when vehicles driven by actual CSMs don’t, but that’s a whole other thing). They should be like Gretchen in the ork book, without legion bonuses or stratagems. How the hell are these guys veterans of the long war?

I wouldn't be surprised if their keywords were stripped.

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

What sort of donkey-cave crops a leak photo to remove information tho?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

What sort of donkey-cave crops a leak photo to remove information tho?

One that doesn't want to get caught leaking too much gak I guess.

I always wondered how they could get caught though

I don't think GW know everyones dakka account and identity

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
More rumors:

https://imgur.com/mAMKleP

Godhammer and crusader are both at 200 now
Predators & dreads down ? points (on top of the twin LC drop)

What sort of donkey-cave crops a leak photo to remove information tho?

Probably a Games-Workshop sanctioned leak tbh.

It's not unknown for organisations to give different people/depts. slightly different info/versions of photos etc

so showing it will clearly flag you/your dept as the one at fault

no idea whether GW does this but I wouldn't be surprised especially with digital stuff

Riptides nerfed.

More leaks

Good. They have an absurd number of shots and durability for 180 points.
Anything on crons?

Stormsurges are monsters now.

Huh, they weren't before? That was odd.
Not sure how much that would change things though. I guess tactical missions and stratagems can affect it now.

I just want to see wraithknight points

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, they weren't before? That was odd.
Not sure how much that would change things though. I guess tactical missions and stratagems can affect it now.

Immune to haywire.

Oh man, drip-fed leaks like this feel a little like Christmas! I REALLY want to see Ad-mech get some love. Everything but Cawl, Bro-Bots, and Dunecrawlers are just really mediocre-to-down-right-awful.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh man, drip-fed leaks like this feel a little like Christmas!

It's weird. If someone has the book so they can post pics, then just post everything.

 Crimson wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh man, drip-fed leaks like this feel a little like Christmas!

It's weird. If someone has the book so they can post pics, then just post everything.

"Leaks" like this are usually regulated by the company in order to generate hype. Revealing the contents of the entire book is a good way to lose your job.

 Crimson wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh man, drip-fed leaks like this feel a little like Christmas!

It's weird. If someone has the book so they can post pics, then just post everything.

GW honeypots sometimes. Part of your preview copy could actually have a GW watermark or tell that outs you.

Though most of our leaks are from a live Q&A of a French Studio so it's really more just them answering what they were asked.

 bullyboy wrote:
I just want to see wraithknight points

Ditto. Hoping our titans and other super heavies get made worth taking too.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, they weren't before? That was odd.
Not sure how much that would change things though. I guess tactical missions and stratagems can affect it now.

Immune to haywire.

Was it a vehicle before? No one uses a stormsurge at my FLGS, so I don't know.

I think people are overlooking an important element here. The Stormsurge post confirms that Chapter Approved will have updated datasheets for certain units.

So... now drones can cover stormsurge... and he is also immune to haywire now...

GreeeeeeeeeeeeeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT

EricDominus wrote:
So... now drones can cover stormsurge... and he is also immune to haywire now...

GreeeeeeeeeeeeeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT

Let's be honest, Haywire sucks. You weren't using it.

Ctanforlife wrote:
More leaks

12pt cheaper Crisis and/or Crisis Bodyguard.
5pt cheaper Stealth Teams.
30pt cheaper Ghostkeel!
6pt cheaper Shaper.
+35pt Riptide :-(

Big boost to stealth tau, though if the stealth units lose the -1 to hit for +1 cover save, it's probably justified.

EricDominus wrote:
So... now drones can cover stormsurge... and he is also immune to haywire now...

GreeeeeeeeeeeeeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT

I have to stick up for the T'au on this one - these changes are justified. I mean, it's not like drones are hard to kill and the army that uses haywire the most spams blasters/dark lances anyway, so these little buffs aren't exactly game breaking.

But, who wants to bet the Drakhuri blasters get nerfed to D3 damage again? Or get bumped up in points? Same for dark lances.

Hold the phone.

The "leak" above for the Stormsurge, if it's accurate - is a full replacement Datasheet. Did we see that at all in the first Chapter Approved? It's been so long I don't actually remember. If the above image is real, that's kind of a big deal. I know they had created Land Raiders, and added Fortification datasheets in the first book. I don't think they had any "fixed" or "replaced" unit datasheets though. We've seen a few Forgeworld units added via the FAQs, but again, never a "fixed" or changed one. That means there could be more hope for actual fixed units, instead of just price changes or minor changes to some wording.

So now we have it.

Stormsurge that:

Rerolls to wound.

Hits on 3/2+ with reroll 1.

Protected from anti-tech weapons with drones.

Ignores wound degradation.

YAY!

Tau is new black. AGAIN.

 Elbows wrote:
Hold the phone.

The "leak" above for the Stormsurge, if it's accurate - is a full replacement Datasheet. Did we see that at all in the first Chapter Approved? It's been so long I don't actually remember. If the above image is real, that's kind of a big deal. I know they had created Land Raiders, and added Fortification datasheets in the first book. I don't think they had any "fixed" or "replaced" unit datasheets though. We've seen a few Forgeworld units added via the FAQs, but again, never a "fixed" or changed one. That means there could be more hope for actual fixed units, instead of just price changes or minor changes to some wording.

There weren't any fixed datasheets in Chapter Approved, no. They did a similar thing with Horrors in an FAQ, though.