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**EricDominus**

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

**CthuluIsSpy**

Its a 2+ now, isn't it? That's a huge nerf.
It just went of 83% to 50%

Of course, I think other armies might get the same treatment for similar abilities.

**Finger**

Ahah, GW just kill the Tau codex.

All the tau unit was good because of the savior protocol. That gakky BS 4+ the fact they have no close combat or psy.

All the cons of the codex was ballanced by the savior protocol.

This is not a nerf, this is a murder !

**bullyboy**

Hmm, is GW trying to offset the balance to make elites viable? If all horde type armies hit with nerf bat in some way.

**Omega-soul**

Well that explains a lot)

**EricDominus**

Omega-soul wrote:
Well that explains a lot)

Not a prove. At all.

**Not-not-kenny**

Elbows wrote:
Hold the phone.

The "leak" above for the Stormsurge, if it's accurate - is a full replacement Datasheet. Did we see that at all in the first Chapter Approved? It's been so long I don't actually remember. If the above image is real, that's kind of a big deal. I know they had created Land Raiders, and added Fortification datasheets in the first book. I don't think they had any "fixed" or "replaced" unit datasheets though. We've seen a few Forgeworld units added via the FAQs, but again, never a "fixed" or changed one. That means there could be more hope for actual fixed units, instead of just price changes or minor changes to some wording.

They did print an updated Kharadron warscroll in the 2017 General's Handbook, so there is some precedent, and that was the only one in that book.

**Lemondish**

Ghostkeels dropping that low might herald better Dreadnought pricing.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Omega-soul wrote:
Well that explains a lot)

Fake. GW's English isn't that good

The leaks are from a reliable source, and this is a rumors thread, not a gakpost thread.

**EricDominus**

Omega-soul wrote:
Well that explains a lot)

Using nameless pic to disprove bunch of other nameless pics.

What can i say? Clap.

**fraser1191**

These are definitely handled by GWs leak department

**xttz**

Elbows wrote:
Hold the phone.

The "leak" above for the Stormsurge, if it's accurate - is a full replacement Datasheet. Did we see that at all in the first Chapter Approved? It's been so long I don't actually remember. If the above image is real, that's kind of a big deal. I know they had created Land Raiders, and added Fortification datasheets in the first book. I don't think they had any "fixed" or "replaced" unit datasheets though. We've seen a few Forgeworld units added via the FAQs, but again, never a "fixed" or changed one. That means there could be more hope for actual fixed units, instead of just price changes or minor changes to some wording.

When the last CA went to print, 8th had only been out for a very short time and only a handful of codexes had been released. I'd expect most, if not all, of the points changes were a result of Mournival feedback rather than players. This time there's a lot more scope to include player input.

Spoletta wrote:

Riptides nerfed.

What I like most about this is that some points have remained the same; implying that we're going to get the full updated versions of codex pages rather than just a list of changes like the last CA.

**John Prins**

EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

**fraser1191**

John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

Every time I watch my DE friend play my Tau friend that's how it goes down...

"I'm gonna fire my dark Lance at your Ghostkeel at - 2 to hit. I hit! I wounded!"
"on a 2+ it'll go on my stealth drone..."

**Finger**

fraser1191 wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

Every time I watch my DE friend play my Tau friend that's how it goes down...

"I'm gonna fire my dark Lance at your Ghostkeel at - 2 to hit. I hit! I wounded!"
"on a 2+ it'll go on my stealth drone..."

Your DE friend play very badly ...

He have to kill the drone with multi shoot weapons, then kill the drone that give -1 to hit to the ghost (easy), then kill the ghost.

**Torquar**

John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

If you're going to have to roll a 4+ for either the Shield (result: no effect) or Saviour Protocols (result: dead drone) why bother with the drone at all?

**Mandragola**

Torquar wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

If you're going to have to roll a 4+ for either the Shield (result: no effect) or Saviour Protocols (result: dead drone) why bother with the drone at all?

Because you get to do both. Failed your 4++? Ok let your drone try.

If stormsurges are really battlesuits, and not far more expensive, I might even finish painting mine.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Torquar wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

If you're going to have to roll a 4+ for either the Shield (result: no effect) or Saviour Protocols (result: dead drone) why bother with the drone at all?

You can do both.
The order is you take your save, if you fail you take savior protocol, if that passes then the drone receives a mortal wound, which could be ignored if the drone is a shield drone.
Savior protocols are still good, its just not as much as a given as it is on a 2+, especially when there's shield drones involved.

**dan2026**

Mandragola wrote:
Torquar wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

If you're going to have to roll a 4+ for either the Shield (result: no effect) or Saviour Protocols (result: dead drone) why bother with the drone at all?

Because you get to do both. Failed your 4++? Ok let your drone try.

If stormsurges are really battlesuits, and not far more expensive, I might even finish painting mine.

I don't think it works like that. You cant fail your save then transfer it to the drone.
You have to roll a 4+ to transfer the wound to the drone. If that fails you can role to save it yourself.

**CthuluIsSpy**

dan2026 wrote:
Mandragola wrote:
Torquar wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

If you're going to have to roll a 4+ for either the Shield (result: no effect) or Saviour Protocols (result: dead drone) why bother with the drone at all?

Because you get to do both. Failed your 4++? Ok let your drone try.

If stormsurges are really battlesuits, and not far more expensive, I might even finish painting mine.

I don't think it works like that. You cant fail your save then transfer it to the drone.
You have to roll a 4+ to transfer the wound to the drone. If that fails you can role to save it yourself.

I'm, pretty sure Savior Protocols can be taken after saves.

Edit : Huh, they clarified it in the FAQ. I guess the Tau player at my FLGS hasn't read it yet.

**Torquar**

Mandragola wrote:

Because you get to do both. Failed your 4++? Ok let your drone try.

If stormsurges are really battlesuits, and not far more expensive, I might even finish painting mine.

You roll for Saviour Protocols before you make your save, not after.

**cole1114**

The wording of saviour protocols seems to imply it happens between wound and save. But they probably should have made it more clear.

**dan2026**

Torquar wrote:
Mandragola wrote:

Because you get to do both. Failed your 4++? Ok let your drone try.

If stormsurges are really battlesuits, and not far more expensive, I might even finish painting mine.

You roll for Saviour Protocols before you make your save, not after.

That how I read it as well.
Unless someone can provide evidence otherwise.

Just checked the faqs. I am right on this.

**GI_Redshirt**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
Mandragola wrote:
Torquar wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

If you're going to have to roll a 4+ for either the Shield (result: no effect) or Saviour Protocols (result: dead drone) why bother with the drone at all?

Because you get to do both. Failed your 4++? Ok let your drone try.

If stormsurges are really battlesuits, and not far more expensive, I might even finish painting mine.

I don't think it works like that. You cant fail your save then transfer it to the drone.
You have to roll a 4+ to transfer the wound to the drone. If that fails you can role to save it yourself.

Nope, pretty sure Savior Protocols can be taken after saves.

Unless it has been updated in an FAQ somewhere, Savior Protocols states that you roll after a SEPT Infantry or SEPT Battlesuit unit has been wounded by an enemy attack, not after you fail a saving throw. The roll is done between being successfully wounded and rolling your save. If you fail the Savior Protocol roll, you take the wound and roll your save as normal. So you can get both rolls, but only if you fail to pass it off first.

**CthuluIsSpy**

GI_Redshirt wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
Mandragola wrote:
Torquar wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

If you're going to have to roll a 4+ for either the Shield (result: no effect) or Saviour Protocols (result: dead drone) why bother with the drone at all?

Because you get to do both. Failed your 4++? Ok let your drone try.

If stormsurges are really battlesuits, and not far more expensive, I might even finish painting mine.

I don't think it works like that. You cant fail your save then transfer it to the drone.
You have to roll a 4+ to transfer the wound to the drone. If that fails you can role to save it yourself.

Nope, pretty sure Savior Protocols can be taken after saves.

Unless it has been updated in an FAQ somewhere, Savior Protocols states that you roll after a SEPT Infantry or SEPT Battlesuit unit has been wounded by an enemy attack, not after you fail a saving throw. The roll is done between being successfully wounded and rolling your save. If you fail the Savior Protocol roll, you take the wound and roll your save as normal. So you can get both rolls, but only if you fail to pass it off first.

Actually, I just read the FAQ and it clarifies the order.
You roll savior protocol, then saves.

Still doesn't mean savior on a 4+ is useless though. You still have a 50% chance of stopping an attack that deals multiple damage and reduce it to a single mortal wound, which can be negated by a shield drone on a 5+.
That's still pretty good. The shield generator would be useful if you fail the savior roll. You basically get two, possibly 3 common layers of protection, which is more than what most other armies get.

**dan2026**

Seems like most of the Battlesuits have had a significant points drop apart from riptides.

Crisis Suits down 12 points
Stealth Suits down 5 points
Ghostkeels down 30 points!

This feels significant.

**Torquar**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
GI_Redshirt wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
Mandragola wrote:
Torquar wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

If you're going to have to roll a 4+ for either the Shield (result: no effect) or Saviour Protocols (result: dead drone) why bother with the drone at all?

Because you get to do both. Failed your 4++? Ok let your drone try.

If stormsurges are really battlesuits, and not far more expensive, I might even finish painting mine.

I don't think it works like that. You cant fail your save then transfer it to the drone.
You have to roll a 4+ to transfer the wound to the drone. If that fails you can role to save it yourself.

Nope, pretty sure Savior Protocols can be taken after saves.

Unless it has been updated in an FAQ somewhere, Savior Protocols states that you roll after a SEPT Infantry or SEPT Battlesuit unit has been wounded by an enemy attack, not after you fail a saving throw. The roll is done between being successfully wounded and rolling your save. If you fail the Savior Protocol roll, you take the wound and roll your save as normal. So you can get both rolls, but only if you fail to pass it off first.

Actually, I just read the FAQ and it clarifies the order.
You roll savior protocol, then saves.

Still doesn't mean savior on a 4+ is useless though. You still have a 50% chance of stopping an attack that deals multiple damage and reduce it to a single mortal wound, which can be negated by a shield drone.
That's still pretty good. The shield generator would be useful if you fail the savior roll.

But if you made the 4+ for SP to work, that same 4+ would have completely negated the attack with the Shield Generator, saving you the cost of a drone.

**alextroy**

So you're saying all the various FNP rules are a waste because you can make your Save first?

You've got it wrong. Every layer of defense available is an improvement to your survivability.

**fraser1191**

Finger wrote:
fraser1191 wrote:
John Prins wrote:
EricDominus wrote:

Saviour protocols now procs at 4+.

I REPEAT: 4+ Saviour Protocols!

Makes Shield Generators more worthwhile if you can't count on drones. This may tempt people into not bothering to clear drone chaff first, which is a mistake, but people will still do it.

Every time I watch my DE friend play my Tau friend that's how it goes down...

"I'm gonna fire my dark Lance at your Ghostkeel at - 2 to hit. I hit! I wounded!"
"on a 2+ it'll go on my stealth drone..."

Your DE friend play very badly ...

He have to kill the drone with multi shoot weapons, then kill the drone that give -1 to hit to the ghost (easy), then kill the ghost.

I beat him with a terminator GK list soooooooooo

**tneva82**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
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Unless it has been updated in an FAQ somewhere, Savior Protocols states that you roll after a SEPT Infantry or SEPT Battlesuit unit has been wounded by an enemy attack, not after you fail a saving throw. The roll is done between being successfully wounded and rolling your save. If you fail the Savior Protocol roll, you take the wound and roll your save as normal. So you can get both rolls, but only if you fail to pass it off first.

Actually, I just read the FAQ and it clarifies the order.
You roll savior protocol, then saves.

Still doesn't mean savior on a 4+ is useless though. You still have a 50% chance of stopping an attack that deals multiple damage and reduce it to a single mortal wound, which can be negated by a shield drone on a 5+.
That's still pretty good. The shield generator would be useful if you fail the savior roll. You basically get two, possibly 3 common layers of protection, which is more than what most other armies get.