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I can dig it. The hair feels a bit off to me, and he’s maybe a bit small, but looks alright. Trailer doesn’t really give us the plot so hard to say there. Do we know if it’s a reboot or is it still related to the previous movies?
AduroT wrote: I can dig it. The hair feels a bit off to me, and he’s maybe a bit small, but looks alright. Trailer doesn’t really give us the plot so hard to say there. Do we know if it’s a reboot or is it still related to the previous movies?
Full reboot, no connection to the last ones (which, incidentally, hold up surprisingly well for early 2000s comic book movies...)
Looks like fun though, David Harbour is a solid choice for the character. I imagine the tone of the actual film might be a bit less GotG/Suicide Squad than we see here, hopefully they can find a darkness/humour balance rather than going all one way or the other.
As much as I'll see it, Ron Pearlmans deep, gravelly voice feels more "Hellboy" to me. Every time Hellboy spoke in this trailer, it just didn't 'feel" right.
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Not sure we really needed a new Hellboy movie. The ones with Ron Perlman were awesome, and as was mentioned above they hold up well for their time. I do think the new actor playing the part will be good, but part of my mind will always be thinking of RP. Also, no Abe Sapien?
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Yeah, comparing him to Ron Pearlman was the first thing I did. In that regard, what I saw was a minute amount worse, but not by much. Mostly just that he’s a bit smaller, and his hair was weirdly messy I thought. Like a younger version or something.
The Hellboy movies have a few major problems for me.
Namely the incredible mischaracterization of several characters including Abe, Hellboy, and Johann.
1) Hellboy isn't a teenager acting out like some kind of adolescent idiot. If you had to equate his personality to an age it's a 30 year old. He gets to go to rome and hes excited about some "paprika chicken baby!" He's an adult doing a job. The childish nonsense of the movies always was a distraction to me.
2) Abes not a psychic. Specifically there is a book (I believe it's bones of giants) written by Chris Golden who is basically the unofficial Mike Mignola for prose Hellboy Novels, in which there is an entire page where Abe talks about how not only is he not a psychic, he has never had any interest in being a psychic and, having met some psychics, he isn't even remotely curious about what being a psychic would be like.
That aside, he's almost as much of a bad ass in a fight as hell boy. He once got thrown half a mile and impaled on some rocks by a sea monster and survived it. Abes wicked bad ass and the movies don't ever let him be that.
3) Johann is NOTHING like he is portayed in the movies. He's goofy comic relief. An entire deep character turned into punch lines.
Finally, it was SUPER dumb that at the end of the second movie Hellboy quits (A really incredible moment in the comic Conqueror Worm, where he has MUCH better reasoning for doing it and it's significantly more poignant) just to have everyone else quit too, apparently for no reason except to be Hellboys lackys. It's a real dumb moment. You COULD argue a reason for Liz (Kids) or Abe (friends) but Johann has zero reason to do it. At no point in that movie was he their friend.
This is a good chance for us to see Hellboy on screen. Not something that looks like Hellboy but behaves like the Gooneys or Monster Squad.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Many important characters and elements are there in the Del Toro movies, and look good. It's the tone and certain dynamics that are off. Those films are just a little too superheroic, goofy, and conventional (romance with Liz, I'm looking at you). And I can take or leave Ron Perlman. He didn't do anything with that role that another actor couldn't do, and I'd honestly like to see a more comics-accurate strong silent type than Perlman's henpecked chatterbox again. The source material defines Hellboy to me, not Ron Perlman or Del Toro's films. It's so much better within its medium.
Now, this trailer definitely plays up the humor, and I'm not sure how to feel about that. The comics have humor, but it's a dark, ascerbic, sometimes absurdist kind of humor. The humor of the Del Toro films veered into sillier territory, and I hope that isn't the case with this one. I suspect that the trailer company is trying to play up 'fun!' and 'laughs!' since that seems to be what draws modern audiences to genre films.
I saw the first Hellboy movie before reading any of the comics, and it felt somewhat boring and generic superhero action flick, although Hellboy himself was cool. Second one did better in that it had interesting villain and felt bit more like it was in Hellboy world and not some throwaway setting.
The new trailer shows events from the climatic Hellboy storyline. It looks good but that storyline was incredibly epic and dark and the trailer feels nothing of sort. Dark, gruesome giant hunt is depicted like slapstick-ish comedy.
Also, seems like they're not planning any kind of series of movies if they depict endgame action right away.
Oddly I like the Hellboy in this, but between Eddie Money and the constant focus on the 'for the laughs!' bits, I'm not that interested in whatever the movie is supposed to be about.
Feels like a lot of different stuff packed in there, too, which I'm never a fan of. Celtic legends AND assorted stuff AND Baba Yaga AND his rightful heritage thing.
Honestly, Hellboy could really do well as a Netflix series with a decent Stranger Things like budget instead of movies. The story is just too big. And besides the major plot being too big some of the best hellboy bits are the individual little missions that have nothing to do with the big plot. A series could have the occasional episode thats just monster of the week and has nothing to do with the big plot. That would suit hellboy just fine.
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Ok movie, do I want a tv show from it... no. Will I watch the first episode... yes. (did they make a sequel to Hellboy? tbh I cant even remember). But tbh netflix makes a lot of crappy/predictable shows (iron fist, luke cage/daredevil etc etc etc)
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I think the next trailer will let us know if they just highlighted the funny bits for the first one out of the gate or if that's going to be the overall tone for the whole movie.
I think the next trailer will let us know if they just highlighted the funny bits for the first one out of the gate or if that's going to be the overall tone for the whole movie.
Maybe.
I'm taking the trailer with a large grain of salt, since so much of the talk about this one was that it'll be darker and closer to the comics.
Strategically speaking, it may make some sense to pitch the trailers more toward general audiences, since us Hellboy fans will be there anyway.
I think the next trailer will let us know if they just highlighted the funny bits for the first one out of the gate or if that's going to be the overall tone for the whole movie.
Maybe.
I'm taking the trailer with a large grain of salt, since so much of the talk about this one was that it'll be darker and closer to the comics.
Strategically speaking, it may make some sense to pitch the trailers more toward general audiences, since us Hellboy fans will be there anyway.
Sounds like a bad plan to me. Bait and switching the general audience from the LOL!trailer to darker and closer to the comics (which involves a lot of dense information drops or a clueless audience) is a good way to tank ticket sales.
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Amber Heard looked amazing with red hair, but red heads are way too common in speculative fiction.
Adding to that list:
Ygritte, Game of Thrones
Sansa Stark, Game of Thrones
Melisandre, Game of Thrones
Evangeline Lily's character in The Hobbit
Lois Lane in the DCEU (isn't she a brunette in the comics???)
Ginny Weasley, Harry Potter
Mara Jade, Star Wars EU Default Femshep, ME3
Leliana, Dragon Age
Tallis, Dragon Age
Lyta Alexander, Babylon 5 (basically Jean Gray in space)
Kiera Nerys, DS9
There is definitely a disproportionate number of redhead women in speculative fiction. To the point where there are probably more female redheads in Marvel than there are significant black or hispanic female characters.
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