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They don't seem as detailed as I think I was expecting. I mean that could just be the non-final renders, which is totally fine, but somehow I was expecting more. Again, the main thing about these Sisters miniatures is that they still look like Sisters. No unnecessary radical departures with these.

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 insaniak wrote:
 Thargrim wrote:
Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance,.

They're soldiers in plate armour. Do they need to look particularly feminine?




Fluff wise? Yes!

Tabletop? No, but then what’s the point? If they weren’t feminine in body they’d basically be Space Marines with females heads and French Catholic symbolism tacked on.

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The constant complaining is getting tiring. Just moaning and groaning all the time. Negative nonsense. When you call it out you get warnings from jumped up "mods". sad...

As for the renders I'm really liking them so far. I like that they are keeping a similar aesthetic so that they will fit in alongside the current range.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 Galas wrote:

I prefer this style. In this scale and heroic proportions is the only way to make semi heroic feminine miniatures that actually look feminine but not too stilized like Malifaux or Raging Heroes ones.

I don't know. All female models done from GW in the past like 1-2 years have been phenomenal. All the previous ones have been horrible, so I don't think they are doing anything wrong. And they don't look off alongside male models either.


While I'll admit that recent GW is a step up with recent sculpts, they look like what men would look like in actual power armor. Not what women would look like in power armor.

Ironically, in the real world, we're ditching the 'looks like a dude' body armor because it's wildly uncomfortable to women with breasts in sizes other than 'none' (yes, folks, the 'no breast plate' argument has been taking a beating in real life). It's cost the US army almost a billion dollars to make the realization that women are not shaped like men. Not as bad as them trying to learn that the left and right foot are not interchangeable, but still.


Except all the did was make the shoulders narrower, add more waist adjustment, make the plates slightly shorter, alter the helmet straps for hair buns, put the plate on top the kevlar and alter the quick release. In the real world nobody is still putting boob plates on armor regardless of bust.

And they are currently spending money to get armor to better fit men.

 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Wait, hold up, how did "I don't like the way their proportions are different than male GW models(obviously, after accounting for how they should be different)" turn into people ranting about "GW haters" and then the boob plate nonsense being dragged up again?

They have boob plates. Good. They should, they're Sisters, that's what Sisters look like. And the idea that there's a legion of actual Sisters players/fans out there crying out for models that don't look like Sisters any more is sheer farce.

The hating thing is just funny, given the Contrast thread.

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one thing worth considering is if the armor looks overly female, sillyly so that might be intended in universe so it's very obvious these are not "men at arms"

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BrianDavion wrote:
one thing worth considering is if the armor looks overly female, sillyly so that might be intended in universe so it's very obvious these are not "men at arms"


And imperium sure doesn't care that it will result in more dead sisters. Life is cheap.

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 insaniak wrote:
 Dr Mathias wrote:
When GW showed the weapon concept drawings a couple months back, had they done that (showing concept art on a project in development) before?

Not for a while.

There's a difference between showing concepts and showing incomplete renders, though. A concept is very clearly not the end product, and most people will accept it as a work in progress. When you show off a render, though, regardless of how loudly you shout that it's not finished, people tend to take it as being indicative of the final product. Renders often don't show a mini in the best light to begin with, because of the odd way that many 3D renderers treat perspective, and the sculpt not being complete just exacerbates that.

Showing in-progress renders is certainly not unheard of in the industry, and I'm sure it works for some companies. It just doesn't strike me as something that GW would do. For all of their perplexing decisions over the years, they've generally been fairly consistent in only trying to show their models in the best light.


One thing to consider is that it's the end of May and Sisters are supposed to be released before the end of the year (Emperor willing ). There is no way the renders cannot be complete at this time if they need to be translated to steel molds and enter production in time. It would be nonsensical to draw on incomplete renders prepared earlier for promotional purposes when getting a current one is is as difficult and time consuming as taking a screenshot and sending it to another department.

 insaniak wrote:
 Thargrim wrote:
Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance,.

They're soldiers in plate armour. Do they need to look particularly feminine?




They are lore-wise specifically, obviously and undeniably female soldiers in plate armor. In the background, there is a very real reason for why they need to look particularly feminine.

Personally I'd prefer if the underlying background is faithfully translated to my models. Seems kind of pointless to read one thing in your codex and see a different thing on your models, especially if both are supposed to create interest in the faction by establishing a coherent identity.

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 Geifer wrote:
In the background, there is a very real reason for why they need to look particularly feminine..

No there isn't.

There is a very real reason they need to be women. I don't recall ever seeing anything in the fluff saying that Imperial Law declared that the Ecclessiarchy's Loophole Troops had to wear corsets and high heels.

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
In the background, there is a very real reason for why they need to look particularly feminine..

No there isn't.

There is a very real reason they need to be women. I don't recall ever seeing anything in the fluff saying that Imperial Law declared that the Ecclessiarchy's Loophole Troops had to wear corsets and high heels.


Its to prove that they aren't Men at Arms. Its basically the Ecclessiarchy passively aggressively going "see, they aren't men, so shut up"

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Fluffwise (if i'm remembering right from the Witch hunters codex), it was to make sure they stood out 100% as women and couldn't be mistaken for anything else on the field. And also they don't wear high heels. Only the artwork (and the subsequent model ) for Veridyan had that.
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
In the background, there is a very real reason for why they need to look particularly feminine..

No there isn't.

There is a very real reason they need to be women. I don't recall ever seeing anything in the fluff saying that Imperial Law declared that the Ecclessiarchy's Loophole Troops had to wear corsets and high heels.


Its to prove that they aren't Men at Arms. Its basically the Ecclessiarchy passively aggressively going "see, they aren't men, so shut up"


Pretty much this.

They're armored to look feminine because they have to prove that they're following imperial law.
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
In the background, there is a very real reason for why they need to look particularly feminine..

No there isn't.

There is a very real reason they need to be women. I don't recall ever seeing anything in the fluff saying that Imperial Law declared that the Ecclessiarchy's Loophole Troops had to wear corsets and high heels.


They're not wearing high heels. We have one stylized, Blanchian Sister who does. The normal uniform doesn't have them.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The entire concept is such a thing is laughable in the first place. What sort of miniature painting do you do? I do "woke" painting. or


Having gotten gak for having a couple different skin colors in my Goliath gang, nah, there's definitely something there given the mentality of some of the 40k base.

Mean while, on the topic of boobplate, the hypocrisy and concentration on appearance is one of the defining factors of the imperial church. Saying they should be practical is like asking for orks to not be funny and marines to be taken seriously. A grievous missing of what makes 40k actually interesting over so many other scifi board games which do things practically. The spectacle of 40k is no small amount of the fun involved and wild armor contributes to that.
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Fluffwise (if i'm remembering right from the Witch hunters codex), it was to make sure they stood out 100% as women and couldn't be mistaken for anything else on the field. And also they don't wear high heels. Only the artwork (and the subsequent model ) for Veridyan had that.


Yeah, I don't know why people still have that misconception. A brief glance at the models would immediately disprove it. The only instance of high heels are in that blanche art and on the model based on that art.

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Its basically the Ecclessiarchy passively aggressively going "see, they aren't men, so shut up"


Also, IIRC, they still use basically the same equipment that was designed for them when they were the Brides of the Emperor in service to Goge Vandire. When they were basically Gaddafi's 'Revolutionary Nuns' IN SPACE. It seems entirely in keeping with what we know of Vandire that he'd have dressed his all-female bodyguards in armour that accentuated their... attributes.

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 Geifer wrote:

They're not wearing high heels. We have one stylized, Blanchian Sister who does. The normal uniform doesn't have them.

One stylised, Blanchian Sister who was featured on the cover of the codex, no less. So it's not that big a surprise that the imagery sticks.

The heels weren't really the point though... But I'm happy to be wrong, if it was actually specified in the codex that they had to pretend to be cosplayers then so be it. That does still leave a large amount of scope to actual design, though, and it won't be at all surprising (particularly given the renders shown here) if the overall look is somewhat toned down.

That also fits with the more scifi and less baroque direction they've taken Space Marines.

 
   
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 Mmmpi wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
In the background, there is a very real reason for why they need to look particularly feminine..

No there isn't.

There is a very real reason they need to be women. I don't recall ever seeing anything in the fluff saying that Imperial Law declared that the Ecclessiarchy's Loophole Troops had to wear corsets and high heels.


Its to prove that they aren't Men at Arms. Its basically the Ecclessiarchy passively aggressively going "see, they aren't men, so shut up"


Pretty much this.

They're armored to look feminine because they have to prove that they're following imperial law.


Good thing life of the soldiers is lesser worry than appearance for law

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Except the armor doesn't actually threaten their life? Its still powered armor, and the idea that shots will be deflected towards the chest cavity and kills them is silly.

That event happening is actually quite unlikely on the battlefield, as the Sister wouldn't just stand there and let people shoot her tits, and even if it did, if the shot didn't have the strength to piece the armor the first time, it won't have the power to pierce it on deflection; attacks lose force on deflection, not gain it.
The only time it would pierce is if the armor in the center of the boob plate is weaker than the rest, and I don't think its designed like that, as it looks like solid power armor.

If you want to critique their armor design, you should focus more on the fact that they are not wearing helmets. That would most certainly get them killed.

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I suspect the oversize guns and the "big hands" will look right when it's actually translated to a mini. When I made some weapons in my 3D modelling application to 3D print, the gun barrels that looked perfect in Rhino looked very, very weedy once printed out and I needed to scale them up to look right when printed.

I absolutely love that gorgeous ammo belt, it's really terrific. I really like pretty much everything I have seen so far, and feel pretty good about that empty display shelf I have with a (SOB???) sticker on it so far.

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They look like great models and exactly like Sisters of Battle.

Not seeing any reason for the whining.

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Why is people arguing about boob plate when we had literally renders of sisters miniatures that had still boob plate and the corset?

Maybe Retributors now wear tabards over the armor to make them more different than regular sisters of battle but is not like boobplate is gonna dissapear from the line.

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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 insaniak wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

They're not wearing high heels. We have one stylized, Blanchian Sister who does. The normal uniform doesn't have them.

One stylised, Blanchian Sister who was featured on the cover of the codex, no less. So it's not that big a surprise that the imagery sticks.

The heels weren't really the point though... But I'm happy to be wrong, if it was actually specified in the codex that they had to pretend to be cosplayers then so be it. That does still leave a large amount of scope to actual design, though, and it won't be at all surprising (particularly given the renders shown here) if the overall look is somewhat toned down.

That also fits with the more scifi and less baroque direction they've taken Space Marines.


To explain where I'm coming from: I like Blanche well enough and I can acknowledge his work shaping 40k as we know it, but unlike many an actual fan I don't think his 2D art directly translates to 3D models and I'm glad GW's sculptors have in the past added a filter so to speak to make the models their own style rather than a direct translation of Blanche's art to account for the different medium they're using. As such, while I agree that the 2nd ed codex art is bound to leave an impression on people, I wouldn'T take it as the only source to determine how a battle Sister looks like. And given we have plenty of models and artwork, that lone artwork (and the associated model) is only a very small part of what we can draw from.

As for the other part, I don't recall ever reading that after the reformation the Adepta Sororitas changed their gear, whereas the 2nd ed codex explicitly mentions Vandire's fascination with an all female order of warriors and his appreciation for, among other things, their "exotic" talents once the served him.

So I stand by what I said, according to the background they have a reason to look feminine. I don't think it's spelled out that "boobs=screw you, High Lords!". But it is very, very heavily implied that they were shaped by a... connoisseur.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Except the armor doesn't actually threaten their life? Its still powered armor, and the idea that shots will be deflected towards the chest cavity and kills them is silly.


It's bullet trap. Can't change physics. There's reason why armour generally don't have bullet traps. Because bullets that would not get you killed if it hit non-bullet trap area can kill you if they hit bullet trap.

But that's okay. Imperium doesn't care about life so armour that's designed to be inefficient just for sake of appearance fits right in.

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tneva82 wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Except the armor doesn't actually threaten their life? Its still powered armor, and the idea that shots will be deflected towards the chest cavity and kills them is silly.


It's bullet trap. Can't change physics. There's reason why armour generally don't have bullet traps. Because bullets that would not get you killed if it hit non-bullet trap area can kill you if they hit bullet trap.

But that's okay. Imperium doesn't care about life so armour that's designed to be inefficient just for sake of appearance fits right in.


But its not going to pierce the armor...and its not even that much of a bullet trap. Its a slight groove that has brooch looking thing over it. It probably doesn't have flesh under it; it doesn't look like a bust could actually fit in there.

Physics actually indicates that it wouldn't pierce. In order for the projectile to gain enough kinetic energy to pierce power armor on rebound, it would have to break the law of conservation of energy, as if it doesn't have enough kinetic energy to pierce the first time it shouldn't have enough energy to pierce the second time. Remember that some of that energy would be lost on rebound due to bullet deformation, heat, transference to the target, etc.
The scenario where in a bullet bounces off powered armor boob plate and pierces through to the heart is quite simply physically impossible, as the heart region is just as armored as the rest of the area. And that's assuming the projectile doesn't just shatter on impact, or flatten and drop off.

And that's even if such a shot occurs; the likelihood of a projectile hitting at that exact angle and rebounding to that exact point is so slim, you might as well just aim for the head or an joint.
The only marksmen I could think of that could do that in setting are Eldar and Vindicare, and they'd probably just go for something convenient than show off.

So yeah, the boob plate is fine, its part of the sister's identity, its not a threat to the wearer, it doesn't need to be changed.

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 Galas wrote:
Why is people arguing about boob plate when we had literally renders of sisters miniatures that had still boob plate and the corset?

Maybe Retributors now wear tabards over the armor to make them more different than regular sisters of battle but is not like boobplate is gonna dissapear from the line.


 JohnnyHell wrote:
They look like great models and exactly like Sisters of Battle.

Not seeing any reason for the whining.


These comments both sum up my sentiments, really.

The render looks fine; it's clear that retributors now have a robe/tabard thing going on to distinguish them from battle-line sisters. It's a minor change and nothing from the old aesthetic is lost. All the new stuff we've seen so far has been tasteful both from the perspective of reflecting the army's aesthetic heritage as well as keeping that particular design ethos from straying into the realm of silly, needless sexualization.

It's getting really damn tiresome having absolutely any discussion about sisters devolve into a never-ending whinge-fest and nit-picking over the pros and cons of "boob-plate" and why it's really important to account for the supposed-scientifically-accurate-details of the physics of projectile weapons vs. the human female bust. and why doing or not-doing that is either heresy because updates can never come with any sort of change or progress or else if they do it MUST be because of those fiendish politically-correct types. FFS this is the sort of stuff that gives this community and hobby a bad name.



Whatever. The renders so far have all been nice and I'm looking forward to starting an army of battle-nuns. I just hope that they haven't scaled up to 32mm because scale creep seems to be affecting more than just marines these days which...kind of seems to defeat the purpose of the initial scale creep marines underwent most recently in the first place.

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I hope a lot of the new Sisters kits come with optional Cherubs.
They really fit the disturbing gothic religious zealotry of the army.
   
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 Kawauso wrote:
Whatever. The renders so far have all been nice and I'm looking forward to starting an army of battle-nuns. I just hope that they haven't scaled up to 32mm because scale creep seems to be affecting more than just marines these days which...kind of seems to defeat the purpose of the initial scale creep marines underwent most recently in the first place.


It's reasonable to expect that they'll be taller than metal Sisters by a head or so, and in line with modern 40k plastic humans. GW seems to be going to the effort of working to the same established standard these days.

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 Ouze wrote:
I suspect the oversize guns and the "big hands" will look right when it's actually translated to a mini. When I made some weapons in my 3D modelling application to 3D print, the gun barrels that looked perfect in Rhino looked very, very weedy once printed out and I needed to scale them up to look right when printed.

I absolutely love that gorgeous ammo belt, it's really terrific. I really like pretty much everything I have seen so far, and feel pretty good about that empty display shelf I have with a (SOB???) sticker on it so far.


It's actually not that the hands & weapons are over sized, they're appropriately sized for a heroic scale miniature. The issue, to my eye at least, is that the comparatively smaller head and feet, and how generally slender they are, don't match them. They're kind of an awkward mix of true and heroic scales depending on which body part you focus on.

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 Geifer wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

They're not wearing high heels. We have one stylized, Blanchian Sister who does. The normal uniform doesn't have them.

One stylised, Blanchian Sister who was featured on the cover of the codex, no less. So it's not that big a surprise that the imagery sticks.

The heels weren't really the point though... But I'm happy to be wrong, if it was actually specified in the codex that they had to pretend to be cosplayers then so be it. That does still leave a large amount of scope to actual design, though, and it won't be at all surprising (particularly given the renders shown here) if the overall look is somewhat toned down.

That also fits with the more scifi and less baroque direction they've taken Space Marines.


To explain where I'm coming from: I like Blanche well enough and I can acknowledge his work shaping 40k as we know it, but unlike many an actual fan I don't think his 2D art directly translates to 3D models and I'm glad GW's sculptors have in the past added a filter so to speak to make the models their own style rather than a direct translation of Blanche's art to account for the different medium they're using. As such, while I agree that the 2nd ed codex art is bound to leave an impression on people, I wouldn'T take it as the only source to determine how a battle Sister looks like. And given we have plenty of models and artwork, that lone artwork (and the associated model) is only a very small part of what we can draw from.

As for the other part, I don't recall ever reading that after the reformation the Adepta Sororitas changed their gear, whereas the 2nd ed codex explicitly mentions Vandire's fascination with an all female order of warriors and his appreciation for, among other things, their "exotic" talents once the served him.

So I stand by what I said, according to the background they have a reason to look feminine. I don't think it's spelled out that "boobs=screw you, High Lords!". But it is very, very heavily implied that they were shaped by a... connoisseur.


Indeed - what red-blooded dictator does not love bodyguard/killer/courtesans? Its a symbol of power and pleasure and perfectly in keeping with the Imperial asthetic - just like Blood Angels muscle/nipple armour.

In terms of current day - I really love the new models as they fit nicely with my hundreds of old ones - just want to BUY THEM NOW

Are they offensive - well not me but I am not a woman - what do any female posters think about them - God, bad or different?


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