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Ah...size creep.
Soon everything GW make will match the Primaris marines, then the Primaris will have to become super Primaris and the cycle goes round again.
So no longer are we just re-buying rules every few years, but the figures as well.

Soon that Bandai figure will be the norm.

I'm really glad GW increased the size of marines. They look better as do the new sisters. Now they only need to stop making everything look like a christmas tree and stop adding those useless excessive details.. especially the sculpted effects like flames, smoke, spell effects etc. They're just ugly.

marke wrote:
I'm really glad GW increased the size of marines. They look better as do the new sisters. Now they only need to stop making everything look like a christmas tree and stop adding those useless excessive details.. especially the sculpted effects like flames, smoke, spell effects etc. They're just ugly.

I dunno, sometimes it can be a nice bit of detail. I noticed the sister with a flamer has a charred corpse at her feet. I approve

that said that type of stuff need to ALWAYS be optional with a way of building it without having that. when the model requires said detail to stand up on the stand, that is annoying.

For orders, I'm tempted to go a minor order.

Specifically the one that is painted like Saint Celestine. Nice.

marke wrote:
I'm really glad GW increased the size of marines. They look better as do the new sisters. Now they only need to stop making everything look like a christmas tree and stop adding those useless excessive details.. especially the sculpted effects like flames, smoke, spell effects etc. They're just ugly.

I'm gonna disagree with you on the sculpted flame/smoke. The Dark Apostle, Adrax Agatone & the infiltrator with smoke grenade are some of the best looking they've ever done. the new Sororitas models continue this trend.

 Galas wrote:
GW has learned that heroic proportionet female figures look like crap, so thats why most female models have much more realistic proportions than the male ones.

And thats why normally I prefer them. For example, Stormcasts.

I can get behind this reasoning. I've painted a Lord Castellant because it's a great model due to composition and some stylistic choices, but as someone who prefers realistic proportions I'm much more of a fan of the female Sigmarine my Knight Questor conversion is based on. The difference is like night and day. They both follow the same armor design, but the female one is much more appealing to me as it sticks closer to actual human anatomy.

It's still all horribly heroically proportioned because that's just GW's chosen style, but it's good to have model lines where it's less pronounced for people like me.

If anything good came of letting us wait this long, it's that GW has figured out human and female anatomy in time for plastic Sisters.

Now they only have to do that for Terminators and I'll have everything I could ask for.

Except plastic Flayed Ones...

marke wrote:
I'm really glad GW increased the size of marines. They look better as do the new sisters. Now they only need to stop making everything look like a christmas tree and stop adding those useless excessive details.. especially the sculpted effects like flames, smoke, spell effects etc. They're just ugly.

I'm inclined to say that Primaris look better because of better proportions, and increased size is a positive side effect of that.

SIsters getting bigger was never in doubt. GW screwed up with plastic Cadians (whether by accident or design) and they've taken that as the basis for human size ever since. With the caveat that GW sucks at sticking to one scale, which makes things a little more complicated than that. But there was no doubt that if the seven foot Marine was ever to be portrayed correctly, Marines would need to get bigger. That's the one thing Primaris actually got right.

With Sisters I'm not convinced that they fit the established human size. I've not had the time to assemble any of my new ones and only have the Sister Superior we got in summer to go on, but GW either screwed up or they want Sisters to fall between average humans and Primaris, maybe because the Ecclesiarchy can pick whom to recruit and they have a minimum size requirement for their armed forces to look properly impressive or something. But they do seem to be taller than normal humans.

As for bling, I think GW was on to something when they made 3rd ed and 4th ed Marines that started out plain but had blingy bits you could add if that's your thing. Even though there's a design compromise in there, it's a good way to satisfy both sides. Sadly GW doesn't seem to do that anymore to a noticeable extent. I'm happy with the decorations Sisters infantry have, but I'm sure that if they had wanted to, it would have been possible to add separate backpack braziers and purity seals and stuff to let people customize their models as they see fit.

Smoke effects belong in the trash, though.

 Geifer wrote:
[q But there was no doubt that if the seven foot Marine was ever to be portrayed correctly, Marines would need to get bigger. That's the one thing Primaris actually got right.

Except now the primaris are sized to 8 foot custodians. So for 7 feet marine fail. But then again fluff doesn't try to pass primaris as 7 foot warriors.

tneva82 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
[q But there was no doubt that if the seven foot Marine was ever to be portrayed correctly, Marines would need to get bigger. That's the one thing Primaris actually got right.

Except now the primaris are sized to 8 foot custodians. So for 7 feet marine fail. But then again fluff doesn't try to pass primaris as 7 foot warriors.

True, but that's a problem of selling us Primaris Marines as their own thing instead of resized Marines for whatever reason. It's dumb and inconsistent, which is probably why GW chose to do it, but whatever.

You don't need to drag Custodes into it either. Humans are 6ft tall, Marines are 7ft tall, Primaris are 8ft tall. Give or take, as per the background. Yet modelwise, Marines are incorrectly as tall as humans, Primaris are scaled correctly to Marines but not to humans, and Primaris are scaled to humans as regular Marines should be. All the while humans aren't going anywhere while Marines have no future and yet Primaris size references and tries to be different from both.

I can't wait for the time when old Marines get dropped and the farce that is the Primaris and old Marine background is silently swept under the rug and we only have one variety of Marine again. Then Primaris models will be correctly scaled to normal humans and the only thing you have to worry about is why your super duper Custodes are midgets.

 Geifer wrote:


With Sisters I'm not convinced that they fit the established human size. I've not had the time to assemble any of my new ones and only have the Sister Superior we got in summer to go on, but GW either screwed up or they want Sisters to fall between average humans and Primaris, maybe because the Ecclesiarchy can pick whom to recruit and they have a minimum size requirement for their armed forces to look properly impressive or something. But they do seem to be taller than normal humans.

As for bling, I think GW was on to something when they made 3rd ed and 4th ed Marines that started out plain but had blingy bits you could add if that's your thing. Even though there's a design compromise in there, it's a good way to satisfy both sides. Sadly GW doesn't seem to do that anymore to a noticeable extent. I'm happy with the decorations Sisters infantry have, but I'm sure that if they had wanted to, it would have been possible to add separate backpack braziers and purity seals and stuff to let people customize their models as they see fit.

Smoke effects belong in the trash, though.

I bet the Ecclesiarchy does control for troops, looking for the best of the best overall. gotta be able to work with the armor and equipment and all. plus with the fact a lot of the worship in the imperium has to do with the human form as i understand it, it makes sense to me. that said i am not convinced with this scale, nor am i happy with the overall larger scale.

that said, the "bling" is getting way to much for me, in several different ways. most of the sisters vehicles for example id likely remove a sizable number of the bits. to another extent, i don't like built in dynamic posing. i prefer my models standing, more "at rest" instead of bounding off rocks, pillars and such. those things bug me.

Has someone put one of these new sistahs side by side with a Primarine? It would be interesting to see a comparison.

Here you go

 Galas wrote:
GW has learned that heroic proportionet female figures look like crap, so thats why most female models have much more realistic proportions than the male ones.

And thats why normally I prefer them. For example, Stormcasts.

Stormcasts would look substantially better if the majority of them had the proportions of the female ones.

 Viterbi wrote:
Here you go

Thanks!

Well, they seem smaller enough to look decent side by side...

 LunarSol wrote:
Stormcasts would look substantially better if the majority of them had the proportions of the female ones.

36-24-36

What?
Should be:
36-24-12
Heavy bolter-Multimelta-Heavy Flamer (with retributor bonus)

Sqorgar wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Stormcasts would look substantially better if the majority of them had the proportions of the female ones.

36-24-36

only if they're 5'3"

Bdrone wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


With Sisters I'm not convinced that they fit the established human size. I've not had the time to assemble any of my new ones and only have the Sister Superior we got in summer to go on, but GW either screwed up or they want Sisters to fall between average humans and Primaris, maybe because the Ecclesiarchy can pick whom to recruit and they have a minimum size requirement for their armed forces to look properly impressive or something. But they do seem to be taller than normal humans.

As for bling, I think GW was on to something when they made 3rd ed and 4th ed Marines that started out plain but had blingy bits you could add if that's your thing. Even though there's a design compromise in there, it's a good way to satisfy both sides. Sadly GW doesn't seem to do that anymore to a noticeable extent. I'm happy with the decorations Sisters infantry have, but I'm sure that if they had wanted to, it would have been possible to add separate backpack braziers and purity seals and stuff to let people customize their models as they see fit.

Smoke effects belong in the trash, though.

I bet the Ecclesiarchy does control for troops, looking for the best of the best overall. gotta be able to work with the armor and equipment and all. plus with the fact a lot of the worship in the imperium has to do with the human form as i understand it, it makes sense to me. that said i am not convinced with this scale, nor am i happy with the overall larger scale.

that said, the "bling" is getting way to much for me, in several different ways. most of the sisters vehicles for example id likely remove a sizable number of the bits. to another extent, i don't like built in dynamic posing. i prefer my models standing, more "at rest" instead of bounding off rocks, pillars and such. those things bug me.

well the stuff in the starter box is monopose and those tend to have the bling build on, so we'll have to see what the full kti is like.

Any chance of the new sisters next to Blackstone humans or Admech?

 Albertorius wrote:

Well, they seem smaller enough to look decent side by side...

I guess, but the scale still is fethed (again.) If the Marine is only seven feet tall (like normal marines) the Sister would be about six and half feet. That is pretty damn even for a tall woman. And of course if the marine is eight feet tall (I still haven't seen proper source for the Primaris being this tall) then the Sister is over seven feet tall...

Can someone compare a modern sistern to a skitarii or a genestealer cultists? The modern GW normal human scale.

But maybe new sisters of battle are in Greyfax scale.

 Galas wrote:
But maybe new sisters of battle are in Greyfax scale.

Quite probably

 Galas wrote:
Can someone compare a modern sistern to a skitarii or a genestealer cultists? The modern GW normal human scale.

But maybe new sisters of battle are in Greyfax scale.

They're maybe half a head to a head taller than GSC neophytes, it's hard to say exactly since most GSC are hunched. They don't look out of place, but they're definitely bigger.

I posted these a few pages back:



The Anvil mini is about the same height as a Neophyte, if not a 1-2mm taller but less chunky.
The new Sisters are huge.

is it just the angle or is the SOB taller then the repenta? if so then the explination is simply that power armor, for whatever reason, adds some height

Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?

plastic repressor in a year as the sisters first post codex release?

One can hope!

BrianDavion wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?

plastic repressor in a year as the sisters first post codex release?

One can hope!

AFAIK not a single FW model is on the legends file, only GW models who did not go into codcies.

So, this means nothing

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?

My theory is fw rereleasing with codex. If they are rereleasing that's the most logical time. If not why not in legends?


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 BoomWolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?

plastic repressor in a year as the sisters first post codex release?

One can hope!

AFAIK not a single FW model is on the legends file, only GW models who did not go into codcies.

So, this means nothing

Even in That case it means something. Specifically that it will stay tournament legal(and with that generally legal) and ergo conversions are safe to do.

tneva82 wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?

My theory is fw rereleasing with codex. If they are rereleasing that's the most logical time. If not why not in legends?

it'd be nice but I doubt it, has FW released any models for 40k (specificly not HH models that can also be used with 40k) in the last year or two? FW seems to be focusing entirely on specialsit games these days

 Geifer wrote:

SIsters getting bigger was never in doubt. GW screwed up with plastic Cadians (whether by accident or design) and they've taken that as the basis for human size ever since. With the caveat that GW sucks at sticking to one scale, which makes things a little more complicated than that.

Even in a single kit. Some of the Cadian arms have delicate feminine hands, others look like they're earing oven mitts... The pointing hand is especially egregious.