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Hi getting back into the game after several years out.

Trying to put together a a list with the stuff I have and want to know if it'll just get tabled!

The idea is to create a gun line with the veterans and sentinels shooting everything from the back of the board and then get the storm troopers to come in late game and secure objectives.

If anything gets too close use the punisher cannons with the officer of the fleets re-roll ability to mow it down.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

THE LIST:
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [28 PL, 580pts] ++

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Millitarum Tempestus

+ HQ +

Lord Commissar [4 PL, 35pts]: Boltgun, Power sword

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 49pts]: Power sword, Tempestus Command Rod

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 72pts]
. Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun x 2
. Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 72pts]
. Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun x 2
. Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 78pts]
. Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun x 2
. Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 78pts]
. Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun x 2
. Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 64pts]
. Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun x 2
. Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 64pts]
. Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun x 2
. Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

+ Elites +

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 68pts]
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun x 2
. Tempestus Scion w/ Medi-pack: Medi-pack
. Tempestus Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster

++ Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [44 PL, 3CP, 780pts] ++

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Valhallan

+ Flyer +

Vendetta Gunship [22 PL, 460pts]
. Vendetta: 2 Twin Lascannons, Twin lascannon
. Vendetta: 2 Twin Lascannons, Twin lascannon

Vulture Gunship [11 PL, 160pts]
. Vulture Gunship: Heavy bolter, Twin Punisher Gatling Cannons

Vulture Gunship [11 PL, 160pts]
. Vulture Gunship: Heavy bolter, Twin Punisher Gatling Cannons

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [39 PL, 639pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Vostroyan

+ HQ +

Company Commander [2 PL, 31pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword

+ Elites +

Command Squad [2 PL, 54pts]
. Veteran w/ Medi-pack: Lasgun, Medi-pack
. Veteran w/ Vox-caster: Lasgun, Vox-caster
. Veteran Weapon Team: Lascannon

Officer of the Fleet [2 PL, 20pts]

Veterans [5 PL, 72pts]
. Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 3x Veteran w/ Lasgun
. 3x Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle
. Veteran w/ Vox-caster: Lasgun, Vox-caster
. Veteran Weapon Team: Autocannon

Veterans [5 PL, 72pts]
. Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 3x Veteran w/ Lasgun
. 3x Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle
. Veteran w/ Vox-caster: Lasgun, Vox-caster
. Veteran Weapon Team: Autocannon

Veterans [5 PL, 72pts]
. Veteran Sergeant: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 3x Veteran w/ Lasgun
. 3x Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Sniper rifle
. Veteran w/ Vox-caster: Lasgun, Vox-caster
. Veteran Weapon Team: Autocannon

+ Fast Attack +

Armoured Sentinels [9 PL, 144pts]
. Armoured Sentinel: Autocannon, Hunter-killer missile, Sentinel Chainsaw
. Armoured Sentinel: Autocannon, Hunter-killer missile, Sentinel Chainsaw
. Armoured Sentinel: Autocannon, Hunter-killer missile, Sentinel Chainsaw

Scout Sentinels [9 PL, 174pts]
. Scout Sentinel: Hunter-killer missile, Lascannon, Sentinel Chainsaw
. Scout Sentinel: Hunter-killer missile, Lascannon, Sentinel Chainsaw
. Scout Sentinel: Hunter-killer missile, Lascannon, Sentinel Chainsaw

++ Total: [111 PL, 3CP, 1999pts] ++

I don't want to say you'll get tabled, but you're probably fighting an uphill battle. You have very low durability. Sentinels are not hard to kill, neither are Scions or Veterans. I would consider running regular Infantry squads instead of the Veterans for more bodies. I love Vendettas, but the reality is that they're not very good in 8th edition. They cost way too many points and want to be moving, which means they hit on 5+. If Forgeworld updated their datasheet with the Roving Gunship rule that Valkyries get, I would give them a second look, but Forgeworld hasn't done that. You'd be better off running Taurox Primes TBH. Or to maintain the airborne feel, replace them with Valkyries, which shores up the points for more Scion Meltaguns. I'm not saying you can't win, but it'll require some finesse to protect your assets while eliminating your opponents.

Thanks for the advice, been having a think about what I could make with a little ingenuity and as little money as possible:

More value for money with the Valkyries and then I added a space marine detachment for a hard to kill element. Idea would be for the scouts to sit back and hold objectives whilst the glass canon of the Scions destroy as much as possible before they get wiped off the board any more advice would be fantastic.

++ Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [27 PL, 432pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Valhallan

+ Flyer +

Valkyries [8 PL, 136pts]
. Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Lascannon

Valkyries [8 PL, 136pts]
. Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Lascannon

Vulture Gunship [11 PL, 160pts]
. Vulture Gunship: Heavy bolter, Twin Punisher Gatling Cannons

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [36 PL, 735pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Millitarum Tempestus

+ HQ +

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Master of Command, Tempestus Command Rod, Warlord

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Relic (Militarum Tempestus): The Tactical Auto-Reliquary of Tyberius, Tempestus Command Rod

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Tempestus Command Rod

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 59pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 59pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 73pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 73pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 67pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 67pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

+ Elites +

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 68pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Plasma gun
. Tempestus Scion: Plasma gun
. Tempestus Scion w/ Medi-pack: Medi-pack
. Tempestus Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestus Scion: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestus Scion w/ Medi-pack: Medi-pack
. Tempestus Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 74pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion w/ Medi-pack: Medi-pack
. Tempestus Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster

++ Patrol Detachment (Imperium - Space Marines) [48 PL, 817pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Detachment CP

+ HQ +

Sergeant Telion [4 PL, 65pts]

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [10 PL, 178pts]: 10x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher
. 8x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 8x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [10 PL, 178pts]: 10x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher
. 8x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 8x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [10 PL, 150pts]: 10x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 8x Scout w/Boltgun
. Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

+ Elites +

Dreadnought [7 PL, 126pts]: Twin autocannon, Twin autocannon

Dreadnought [7 PL, 120pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon

++ Total: [111 PL, 1984pts] ++

If you wanna take Dreadnoughts for heavy fire support, I'd go with Mortis Contemptors... Forgeworld rules, but you can probably just kitbash a regular contemptor to make them.

For 168 points, you get 2 twin lascannons, on a BS2 platform w/ 10 wounds and a 5+ invulnerable save. Much more durable than standard dreadnoughts, and much more firepower.

Can you use them in a regular Space Marine army, not seeing an option for them on battlescribe?

Berty wrote:
Can you use them in a regular Space Marine army, not seeing an option for them on battlescribe?

Yea, Battlescribe is weird with Forgeworld stuff.

You need to go to edit forces, click on your battalion, then add a detachment of FW Astartes to it, and you can choose FW models. it's where things like the Leviathan and Deredeo live.

Ah that worked, cheers.

++ Air Wing Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [27 PL, 432pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Valhallan

+ Flyer +

Valkyries [8 PL, 136pts]
. Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Lascannon

Valkyries [8 PL, 136pts]
. Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Lascannon

Vulture Gunship [11 PL, 160pts]
. Vulture Gunship: Heavy bolter, Twin Punisher Gatling Cannons

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [36 PL, 735pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Millitarum Tempestus

+ HQ +

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Master of Command, Tempestus Command Rod, Warlord

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Relic (Militarum Tempestus): The Tactical Auto-Reliquary of Tyberius, Tempestus Command Rod

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Tempestus Command Rod

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 59pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 59pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 73pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 73pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 67pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 67pts]
. 2x Scion
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

+ Elites +

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 68pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Plasma gun
. Tempestus Scion: Plasma gun
. Tempestus Scion w/ Medi-pack: Medi-pack
. Tempestus Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestus Scion: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestus Scion w/ Medi-pack: Medi-pack
. Tempestus Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 74pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion w/ Medi-pack: Medi-pack
. Tempestus Scion w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster

++ Patrol Detachment (Imperium - Space Marines) [48 PL, 827pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**

+ HQ +

Sergeant Telion [4 PL, 65pts]

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [6 PL, 98pts]: 5x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher
. 3x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 3x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [10 PL, 178pts]: 10x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher
. 8x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 8x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [10 PL, 150pts]: 10x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 8x Scout w/Boltgun
. Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

+ Heavy Support +

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought [9 PL, 168pts]
. Two twin lascannons: 2x Twin lascannon

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought [9 PL, 168pts]
. Two twin lascannons: 2x Twin lascannon

++ Total: [111 PL, 1994pts] ++

Hmm.. I'd probably also try to wiggle in another SM HQ, you've already got everything for a SM Battalion except that, and that's 5 more CP. I'd probably drop Lascannons off the Valkyries for it, and maybe trim some of the options on the scout squads. If you can fit a Smash Captain in there (Jump Pack, TH/SS) he'd work great.... you could hold him back by your Dreadnoughts to give them re-rolls of 1's to hit so you basically guarantee they always hit and then use him as a counter-charge unit if something gets too close, or you could deep strike him in among the Scions so they screen for him as he tries to get in there and beat the hell out of things. It would synergize with your list pretty well IMO.