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Eh. I skipped it the first time around as I just wasn't interested in the story and I'm not a fan of any of the cast in particular but the imminent arrival of the second season convinced me to watch it. I preferred the first season though but I'll watch the third season as I like the plot hook introduced in the final seconds. I agree that #5 was the standout in the cast and the one that I enjoyed the most. Luther was pointless and I was disappointed that the hint of Klaus' powers shown during the newest apocalypse wasn't actually explored.
warboss wrote: I was disappointed that the hint of Klaus' powers shown during the newest apocalypse wasn't actually explored.
Yeah the ghost summoning was new right?
Diego also showed off telekinesis, previously he could only do knife throwing (IIRC). It would be interesting if they all had the same psychic powers but just apply them differently.
warboss wrote: I was disappointed that the hint of Klaus' powers shown during the newest apocalypse wasn't actually explored.
Yeah the ghost summoning was new right?
Diego also showed off telekinesis, previously he could only do knife throwing (IIRC). It would be interesting if they all had the same psychic powers but just apply them differently.
It would have to relate to the spirit world. You need that for the whole contacting the dead thing. Although a broader time/space manipulation, with parallel dimensions would also work. Getting all their diverse power sets into the same framework is not easy, but maybe?
TK = ghosts manifesting and moving stuff
Rumors = form of possession on others.
Strength/toughness = spirit assist/limited manifestation?
Teleport/time travel = stepping through the spirit realm?
Speak w/dead = what it says on the tin
Turning into monster = possession/channeling elder/non-human spirits
emotional explosions = tapping raw power
Lila was great fun and seemed to have a much more interesting story than Alison or Vanya.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Lila was great fun and seemed to have a much more interesting story than Alison or Vanya.
I forgot about her. Mirror powers are real easy if you are working on the theory that everyone is pulling from the same basic power, just manifesting it different. She can just use powers that she’s seen others do.
The manifesting the dead physically happened at the end of the first season. Klaus manifested Ben who started taking out agents in the theater with his tenticles.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Pretty solid season IMO. As others have stated, Five is one of the standout actors and did a solid job again and it really sucks that he pretty much does all the heavy lifting when it comes to making sure the family is safe. Poor guy can't catch a break.
I've heard rumours that the new sparrow academy's name is based on Harlan in some way since he was basically levitating a bird in his hand when Sissy was driving away with him and he clearly still has some aspect of Vanya's powers. It seems like Reginald explicitly went for children that weren't the ones he met back in the new timeline, and the interesting thing is that it also looks like that unlike the Umbrella Academy which broke up, he's somehow kept them together up until 2019, so I wonder if he's changed his parenting in some way compared to the one in the original timeline.
Ouze wrote: It's been a few days, and I am still laughing about "Ok, so - think Batman. Now... aim lower."
well if its good enough for Zac
Finished off S2, was okay if a little stretched out, S1 got away with it to a degree due to set up
as for the replacements thinking it might be self inflicted timey wimey as meeting Dad in the past may have caused him to be more careful in selection over the previous gotta catch them all method used but as he didnt see Ben thats why he is still part of the team
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"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Mr Morden wrote: I did also think Sparrow = Russian Intelligence?
I can certainly see Sir Reginald playing all sides for an advantage but his files and paperwork had Sparrow logos back in the 60s so maybe it was his primary plan prior to something unseen changing it to Umbrella but then the meeting making him stick to the Sparrow plan and/or change the training regime so they dont come out as basketcases ( as if Klaus is the nearest to normal you done forked up)
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"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Mr Morden wrote: I did also think Sparrow = Russian Intelligence?
I can certainly see Sir Reginald playing all sides for an advantage but his files and paperwork had Sparrow logos back in the 60s so maybe it was his primary plan prior to something unseen changing it to Umbrella but then the meeting making him stick to the Sparrow plan and/or change the training regime so they dont come out as basketcases ( as if Klaus is the nearest to normal you done forked up)
or a slight reference to the enemies of the Men from Uncle
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I already liked it season 1 but can't get anyone I know into watching it.
I also think the second season was even better, just felt better pacewise to me.
greatbigtree wrote: Alison seems mostly normal... but yeah, 1/7 passing as mostly well-adjusted isn't a good average.
Alison is tricky, arguably apart from Dad she is the one most responsible for Vanya and just carries on using her power as an easy mode button in adult life ( although who wouldnt ), although she does seem to learn from s1 in her reluctence to use it to help her husbands cause in s2
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Klaus is perilously close to being the most balanced of them all by the end of season 2. He has a successful balanced life, and is acting in a shockingly altruistic fashion towards Dave.
I love that every season has to have 5 massacre a group of people on his own with found weapons.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
I’ll agree that Klaus is becoming a better person... after duping a cult’s worth of people into treating him like a messiah. *shrug* The whole cult thing isn’t exactly him being “good” to people.
Gitzbitah wrote: Klaus is perilously close to being the most balanced of them all by the end of season 2. He has a successful balanced life, and is acting in a shockingly altruistic fashion towards Dave.
I love that every season has to have 5 massacre a group of people on his own with found weapons.
Klaus remains incredably self obsessed and was quite happy being rich and powerful, abusing the trust and faith of dozens of people - only stopping when it became too much hassle....
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Yet Destiny's Children are happy, and he has tried to be honest with them and make them independent. They don't want that. By cult standards, they are surprisingly benign.
Admittedly it did start by Klaus hoeing it up with the upper crust, but it weirdly seems like its become a good thing for everyone involved.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
I did not catch season 1 originally, so watched that just before season 2, so all was pretty fresh for me. All in all, I am enjoying this Netflix series immensely, just as I did Daredevil before its abrupt end.
Some of my amateur observations and predictions:
Spoiler:
- When you introduce time travel and a sinister all-powerful agency with ulterior motives, all logic goes out the window and it only takes a clever sentence or two to explain some really incomprehensible things, albeit this is not always done very well.
- Lila had mirror powers, so obviously the agency knew about it from the future, since she was not mirroring anyone because she was way before the mysterious Oct 1 1989 incidents. I think Lila will have a part in season 3, maybe even part of the Sparrow academy.
- Definitely Harlan will play a part in season 3. I had really simply hoped that all of the stuff that happened to him would have adjusted his brain and he would have lived normally with Sissy. I just do not think Reginald would have an irrationally thinking person in his academy with all that power when we see what he did to Vanya who did not have a handicap.
- We did hear Allison say she had not used her power in her 60's life once she was able to speak saying she was so proud of what she had accomplished for herself without it versus her created fame/fortune in season 1 obviously using it - that is why when she did use it when seeing Ray getting beat, it was the start of her life unraveling.
- Five is remarkable and I really liked the actor playing the older Five - spot on! I did not do further research to even check if it was Aiden playing both parts, but I really doubt that.
- I think the prior observations about Luther are spot on as to why he faded a bit into the background for this season.
- It it really a pleasure to see what should be a really difficult character to play and not look forward to watching, but having an actor nail it 110%. Klaus should be a total stereo-type, but the script along with the actor's talent have really made it an Emmy-worthy performance - along with Five. I will have to say, Captain America was this for me - I did not think it possible for an actor to take a very one-dimensional character and bring it to life - my hat's off to Chris Evans for a consistently superb job.
- I really hope season 3 has a differing premise than 'stop doomsday!' and would be fine with a struggle with the Sparrow Academy or the possibly truly evil Reginald. I do not know the comics, but maybe his whole purpose is twisted now and the UA must reset the timeline. I am sure the next season we will get a much larger glimpse into Reginald, as his methods and motivations have always been muddy, especially as we watched season 2 unfold.
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Gitzbitah wrote: Yet Destiny's Children are happy, and he has tried to be honest with them and make them independent. They don't want that. By cult standards, they are surprisingly benign.
Admittedly it did start by Klaus hoeing it up with the upper crust, but it weirdly seems like its become a good thing for everyone involved.
Delusion is never a good thing for anyone. It doesn't matter if you are happy within your delusions. Being delusional is a form of insanity. What Klaus did was exploit a bunch of people who were either maladjusted to begin with or became so after witnessing his "revelations" and then bran wash them so badly that none of them would accept hearing the truth. By ANY religions standards they are pretty benign. By any religions standard they are equally willfully ignorant to information that doesn't support their world view.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
I got a sort of Life of Brian vibe off of Klaus' cult that even when he eventually tries to be straight with them they refuse to accept it, and whilst he did take advantage there were far worse cults they could have ended up in
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
I'm not big on the "could'a been worse" justification.
I like Klaus as a character, but he's got a ways to go before he's reconciled his past. But as a character verging on the road to redemption, I like him. More than earlier in the series. And I agree, the actor plays the character with more nuance than I would normally expect.
Klause i think is the most screwed over by his power.
Imagine from a young age talking to the dead with no input from yourself or even the ability to turn it off.
Gitzbitah wrote: Yet Destiny's Children are happy, and he has tried to be honest with them and make them independent. They don't want that. By cult standards, they are surprisingly benign.
Admittedly it did start by Klaus hoeing it up with the upper crust, but it weirdly seems like its become a good thing for everyone involved.
Delusion is never a good thing for anyone. It doesn't matter if you are happy within your delusions. Being delusional is a form of insanity. What Klaus did was exploit a bunch of people who were either maladjusted to begin with or became so after witnessing his "revelations" and then bran wash them so badly that none of them would accept hearing the truth. By ANY religions standards they are pretty benign. By any religions standard they are equally willfully ignorant to information that doesn't support their world view.
Agreed - starting a new circle of abuse - even if relatively benign in order to have a good time does not seem to be seeking redemption to me - especally since he uses his dead friend as nothing more than a tool to achive this until he finally rebels.
On the other hand - Alison retreating into mundaness and not using her powers to aid the civil rights movement which she could litterally change for the world for the better is disapointing. She seems to believe that she will immediately become a villian if she does so...
I got a sort of Life of Brian vibe off of Klaus' cult that even when he eventually tries to be straight with them they refuse to accept it, and whilst he did take advantage there were far worse cults they could have ended up in
I would like if the Cult finds a new darker leader who twists their fragile little minds them into a enemy in the future.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Why was there the painting of Ben that replaced Five, when Five's big painting was clearly in honor because he disappeared and Sparrow Ben is clearly right there?
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Why was there the painting of Ben that replaced Five, when Five's big painting was clearly in honor because he disappeared and Sparrow Ben is clearly right there?
Pure speculation, but
Spoiler:
Unlike the Umbrellas, the Sparrows are a successful superhero team, and Hargreeves honors their leader Ben.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Why was there the painting of Ben that replaced Five, when Five's big painting was clearly in honor because he disappeared and Sparrow Ben is clearly right there?
Pure speculation, but
Spoiler:
Unlike the Umbrellas, the Sparrows are a successful superhero team, and Hargreeves honors their leader Ben.
Spoiler:
I think this is a pretty good theory, given that unlike the Umbrellas, they definitely seem to be still together as a team. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hargreeves actually raise them semi-normally after seeing how hosed up the Umbrellas were. Could be a serious area of contention of how the Umbrellas feel like they got shafted in comparison and try to find excuses to denounce the Sparrows in some way (Diego definitely will, "I wanna save JFK" style).
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