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Oh and more of the jokes that kept me entertained:
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All the references to time travel movies. "What? You mean Back to the future were telling crap?" or something to that effect(I don't remember exact quote) and so on.
For me favourite part of the movie was the middle with start at close second.
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I liked the "retired Thanos" at the end. You don't see that kind of stuff in movies. Villain with a retirement plan
When Hawkeye and Black Widow are doing their thing to get the Soul Stone? I really did wonder if they were going to Deus Ex it with a bit of 'because you're both being selfless here, you pass the test etc'.
And I am so glad they didn't. That whole scene was pretty superb.
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Went to go see it last night. They did a great job putting a capstone on 11 years and 22 films. Thoroughly enjoyable, surprising, funny and moving.definite recommend for anyone who has been watching the MCU films.
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I was really impressed with some of the plot structure stuff:
1. Making it so that knowing where the infinity stones were in the timeline was the key to fixing everything was a wonderful nod to all us nerds who obsessed over the timeline and the locations of the stones all these years.
2. Making the plot a sort of tour of the past movies was inspired!
3. Putting the heroes up against their past selves was both an amazing spectacle and in some cases a way to show how much character development has happened.
4. And of course, making the whole film about getting the team back together and making us all super invested in it is a trick that has worked for them before, and worked wonderfully this time.
5. Killing Thanos in the first five minutes. Amazing!
That last battle, when everyone comes trooping through the sling-ring portals to join the fight...what a pay off!
Haven't been so moved at a film since Boromir's death wwaayy back in the day.
All the characters did stuff -- with loads of little hat-tip moments
-- got home and reread the old Secret Wars trade pprbk almost straight away.
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was a bit puzzled about 1 person at .. the funeral ... at the end -- lone guy stood on his own.
Turns out it's the same actor/character who was the kid in Iron Man 3 who helped out.
That sort of nice little touch was throughout the whole production.
Think we're gonna go again and really cannot wait for the dvd of this one.
edit : ha ! if google the term Thanos.. and click on the gauntlet icon...
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
... and bear in mind when you read the above they're not even giving away free terrain or boards with each viewing !
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Saw it last night and was genuinely blown away. There were multiple times that the full theater either cheered, clapped, and audibly gasped. It was a wonderful experience.
Ouze wrote: One spoiler I am willing to read: can one of you guys who sees it early post when a good time to go pee is?
Honestly, I don't really think there is one, especially for a first time viewing. I just stuck it out all the way to the end, even though I had to really take a leak about half way into it.
Some specific things I enjoyed:
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Thor dual-wielding Mjolnir and Stormbreaker was amazing.
Cap wielding Mjolnir was amazing.
The entire climax battle was the greatest superhero moment ever put on screen. Change my mind.
I enjoyed the A-Force Easter egg/teaser/moment/whatever.
Black Widow and Hawkeye's mission to get the Soul Stone was marvelous.
The acting in general was top notch.
Cap "passing the torch" to Sam was a tearjerker.
A surprising amount of emotional weight from multiple characters.
"Hail Hydra."
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-Cap wielding Mjolnir. Seriously, the theater broke out in loud applauds.
-Loki survives the timeline! Thanos doesn't get the chance to kill him.
-Hawkeye and Black Widow soulstone scene. Lawd they nailed it and hits you in the feelz.
-Cap adjusting the damaged shield and squares off against Thanos' army in a "Agragorn charges the army of morder" scene.
I am glad for you guys. This appears to be this generation's ROTJ, but with a much better ending.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Not much to say that hasn't been said up the page in terms of non-spoilers, but yeah, this is a generation-defining movie even moreso than Infinity War was. It's the crown jewel of the MCU and this golden age of comic book movies as a whole, and it's something that would have been unthinkable 5 years ago, let alone 10 when it all started or 15 when we had the original X-men/Spidey/FF movies. Definitely one where 99% of what you expect to happen a certain way won't, and some of the stuff you'd never expect in a million years will.
Spoilery McSpoilerstuff:
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Starting at the very beginning, I really, really applaud the scene where Thanos is killed. It's such a human moment for so many of them, Thor especially, and it's maybe the first time they live up to their name as 'Avengers', making good on their promise in AA. They couldn't save the world, but they can damn well avenge it. It's a wonderful fusion of narrative pointlessness and utter satisfaction as his head rolls across the floor, for characters and audience alike. Going from that into the 'five years later' cut is genius.
Really liked Professor Hulk, didn't like Fat Thor at all but it makes sense why he's like that and the scene with Frigga is great. Just wish that he'd gone fully back to his awesome, stoic Infinity War self for the final battle. Love how understated Stark and Steve's reunion was at the start, how for a moment it was like Civil War never happened but a whole new wave of grief and guilt spills out seconds later. Barton as Ronin was great, Widow finding a purpose in holding the end of the world together was really good as well and their scene together on Vormir was tragic in its simplicity.
While I feel the Timey Wimey middle act was maybe a few minutes too long, it was packed with good stuff. Nice to see the Ancient One and Frigga again, the elevator scene throwback was great and the sort of thing that would have broken the internet if thatline leaked... Good setup for some more Loki shenanigans and the scene with Tony and Howard was a standout of that sequence. As someone said before, the reintroduction of an even more maniacal and dangerous Thanos paid off brilliantly.
But really, it's all about that jaw-dropping, mind-melting finale. The initial throwdown with Cap, Stark and Thor against Thanos was right off the pages of a comic book, and Cap wielding Miljnor is going to go down as one of the MCU's most iconic moments. Love the fact that's not just a throwaway shot but something that sticks around for some really badass moments.
And then...
Definitely tears in my eyes as the portals open up and the brave and the bold step up to take on Thanos's bigger-than-ever horde, and the Mad Titan himself (who does a great job of justifying his reputation as the deadliest being in the universe even without an gauntlet). Spidey and Panther both getting big moments in the battle was amazing, as was the moment of realisation when Thanos's warship turned all its guns, ineffectually, on a rapidly approaching Carol. Definitely more to be picked up in that sequence on future viewings, as pretty much every able-bodied character across 22 films turns up and does a Cool Thing in there somewhere.
And then...
'I am Iron Man'. Pretty much the most perfect end to things. Full circle, the ultimate sacrifice play and the greatest proof you could ask for that behind all the snark, all the wit, all the guilt, Tony is a hero. And again, that shot of him with the gauntlet and all six stones, ready to save the world, is right off the cover of big comic book crossover finale issue. Much like IW, Endgame is at its best when its clear love for the comic book medium shines through the brightest.
The remaining denouements and epilogues all feel earned, and strike a great balance between saying goodbye and hinting at more to come. Steve and Peggy get their dance, and the world is saved for another day.
Fittingly, if there's a word that describes how all this plays out, then 'excelsior', 'ever upward' is it... Thank you, Stan.
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Just got back home from seeing it. Absolutely amazing.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Saw it last night. Really good. The end is legitimately great. The beginning honestly is too. Further thoughts in the comments below:
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Okay, while I enjoyed the middle, its definitely more than a little indulgent for a film this long. Stuff like all of the GotG opening was fun, but feels like it will drag next time around. A lot of it was excellent (the Hail Hydra scene was master class) but other bits were excessive (Cap vs Cap does nothing). Getting a second Thanos in place for the rematch felt more than a little forced but what a rematch.
I was just feeling a little worn down and kind of disappointed in where the film was going, but when Mjolnir flies to cap I was sold to the end. There's just so much pay off; so much work to reward everyone and they did a great job saving the day without removing consequence AND without that consequence being a bunch of needless character deaths. The movie did a phenomenal job sending off characters without killing them, making sure characters got to bow out in well earned ways and its just... really, really smart and well done.
Automatically Appended Next Post: A couple answers to things mentioned while they're fresh in my head:
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H.B.M.C. wrote: And honestly I've forgotten why Scott and Hope are trying to use Juan Punch Man's van (Luis does not show up, sadly)
Scott and Hope are going to use the van to go back in time and return the stones so Thanos can't use them.
I couldn't figure out if geriatric Cap appearing at the end broke the rules established in the Banner/Ancient One dialogue?
Banner says if they return the stones the timelines will merge back together. I assume Steve just made sure to do nothing to significantly change the timeline, causing his new reality to merge back.
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I thought it was a very mediocre film that is borderline Rotten for non MCU fans. Depending on how much of a fanboy/girl you are, you will either like or love the film. Personally, I disliked it enough that I'm probably not going to bother paying any attention to the MCU anymore. TLDR: Don't expect good writing in a comic book film.
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It started off strong. Another excellent cold open, the collective shock of killing Thanos, but realizing that solved nothing, and even after that there were some great moments. Thor/Cap/Iron Man 3v1 vs Thanos, Iron Man hugging Spider Man when he returned, Wanda taking on Thanos alone and forcing him to call in a freaking Orbital Bombardment. But outside of those...the film felt like little more than cornball fan service.
All of the Time Heist scenes were dreadful. I genuinely don't understand who finds the idea of Tony discussing parenting with his dad prior to Tony's birth interesting or meaningful. This is literally Hallmark Channel movie quality writing. Cap fights himself and groans at his catch phrase, cue laughter. Seriously? Oh, and the prosthetics for Thor's fat bod were awful. Like, is that really the best you can do? BSG got roasted for fat Lee Adama back in the day because weight gain isn't plot or character development.
Eh, there's just too much about this film that I can criticize. I'm really amazed that it is receiving the positive reception that it has been, but I guess people enjoy being coddled.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
See, that was okay right up to the end. But you couldn't just leave it at your dislike of the movie simply being your opinion (which is entirely fine). You just had to get in a snarky dig about how people who did like it are "coddled", and therefore your opinion is superior to theirs. Poor form.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
Before this movie came out I wondered what parts of the MCU you could skip if you were going to watch Infinity War for the first time before seeing Endgame, and for the most part there are actually quite a few. Incredible Hulk? Skip. Iron Man 3? Definite skip! Thor The Dark World (still an awkward title), probably skip. Ant-Man? Probably skip. Doctor Strange? IW does enough to explain who he is, so skip. Guardians of the Galaxy 2? They deal with enough of that in IW, so skip. Black Panther? Probable skip (BP himself is covered pretty well in Civil War). Ant-Man & The Wasp? Marginal skip. Captain Marvel? Skip.
But now... yeah. This movie really did pay off the past 21 films, and in really unexpected ways (especially The Dark World - who saw that coming?). They did an amazing job.
trexmeyer wrote: I thought it was a very mediocre film that is borderline Rotten for non MCU fans.
I really didn't understand the last episode of House/ER/Lost/Seinfeld, but I'd never watched any of those shows prior to the finale... but this is the finale's fault somehow!!!
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As you say, one could watched Infinity War and Endgame without needing to see the others. But if someone has been unsure of the MCU before, and starts with these two? There’s enough between them to encourage watching the others after.
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Forgot to say that one the second watch, I glimpsed The Ravagers turning up during the last battle. Blink and you’ll miss them, but they’re there!
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Before this movie came out I wondered what parts of the MCU you could skip if you were going to watch Infinity War for the first time before seeing Endgame, and for the most part there are actually quite a few. Incredible Hulk? Skip. Iron Man 3? Definite skip! Thor The Dark World (still an awkward title), probably skip. Ant-Man? Probably skip. Doctor Strange? IW does enough to explain who he is, so skip. Guardians of the Galaxy 2? They deal with enough of that in IW, so skip. Black Panther? Probable skip (BP himself is covered pretty well in Civil War). Ant-Man & The Wasp? Marginal skip. Captain Marvel? Skip.
Well myself I have seen just the ironman's, thor 1, captain america 1, avenger 1, 2, infinity war and endgame. Apart from new characters by the bucketload(dr. strange? Who's that?) no big deal. And not that not knowing about dr. strange(literally. First time ever I ran into him was watching infinity war first time) didn't really matter for the story.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2019/04/27 13:41:08
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
I missed a lot of MCU so I missed a lot of stuff here, but I've
read lots of spoilers. My five to six films to watch list goes like this:
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Iron Man 1
Captain America First Avengers
The Avengers
The Avengers Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2
Thor Ragnarok
I enjoyed this film very much. I did have a question though.
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Did I see correctly that there was an editing mistake? Or did
I mis-see it? Ant-Man and Wasp go off to fix the van for time
travel and they say they need ten minutes to start it up. "Oh
boy," I think, "at least ten more minutes of fight scene!"
But during the van fixing, there are cuts to the larger fight
going on, and I think I saw Giant Ant Man stomping on fools
in the background.
Or was that one of the Thanos giants?
It's not that important, it's just been bothering me and a bunch
of my friends are watching the film today or tomorrow, so I
won't get to talk about this with them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: My spoiler free review about this is that Endgame made me
want to rewatch MCU films. Infinity War did not do that. IW left me exhausted.
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trexmeyer wrote: I thought it was a very mediocre film that is borderline Rotten for non MCU fans.
I really didn't understand the last episode of House/ER/Lost/Seinfeld, but I'd never watched any of those shows prior to the finale... but this is the finale's fault somehow!!!
I've watched every MCU film other than the Incredible Hulk and most of them on opening night. I've literally commented in the release threads for IW and Captain Marvel here (and I liked both of them). Try again.
Elemental wrote: See, that was okay right up to the end. But you couldn't just leave it at your dislike of the movie simply being your opinion (which is entirely fine). You just had to get in a snarky dig about how people who did like it are "coddled", and therefore your opinion is superior to theirs. Poor form.
Coddled: treat in an indulgent or overprotective way.
Fanservice: is material in a work of fiction or in a fictional series which is intentionally added to please the audience.
I used coddled because fanserviced doesn't sound quite right. I clearly hate fanservice, even the idea of it, but if you enjoy it that's fine. I think the Fast and the Furious films are a load of rubbish, but some people enjoy them, that's their opinion. Art is extremely subjective. Unless it's something that advocates for abuse, racism, etc, I don't particularly care if you like it. I just observed that I don't understand how you can enjoy Endgame if you dislike fanservice, but I phrased it in a less than tactful way so for that I apologize.
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The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
2019/04/27 17:41:31
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
Is it worthwhile for someone who is tired of super hero movies but is okay with them on a simple "popcorn" level...most of the time?
Last film I can I say genuinely enjoyed was Spider Man Homecoming (because Michael Keaton). Is it 3-Hours worth of popcorn? Good for someone who wasn't blown away by Infinity War and who thought Black Panther was absolute gak?
I have a cinema nearby which has amazing leather reclining seats etc., and I can see a movie mid-day for like $6.
2019/04/27 17:45:06
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
Elbows wrote: Is it worthwhile for someone who is tired of super hero movies but is okay with them on a simple "popcorn" level...most of the time?
Last film I can I say genuinely enjoyed was Spider Man Homecoming (because Michael Keaton). Is it 3-Hours worth of popcorn? Good for someone who wasn't blown away by Infinity War and who thought Black Panther was absolute gak?
I have a cinema nearby which has amazing leather reclining seats etc., and I can see a movie mid-day for like $6.
Probably not. The middle hour is a bit of a drag and it's really nothing more than a culmination of the MCU (up to this point). It's definitely not a self contained movie. It's much more crowded than IW.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
2019/04/27 18:46:57
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
Elbows wrote: Is it worthwhile for someone who is tired of super hero movies but is okay with them on a simple "popcorn" level...most of the time?
Last film I can I say genuinely enjoyed was Spider Man Homecoming (because Michael Keaton). Is it 3-Hours worth of popcorn? Good for someone who wasn't blown away by Infinity War and who thought Black Panther was absolute gak?
I have a cinema nearby which has amazing leather reclining seats etc., and I can see a movie mid-day for like $6.
Well I enjoyed it and I'm not all that big fan of super hero movies and even less fan of big battle scenes(I prefer one vs one or at leasts small group vs small group).
Can't btw connect term black panther to anybody int he movie
6$? Sheesh wish tickets were that cheap here. More than double that here.
Elbows wrote: Is it worthwhile for someone who is tired of super hero movies but is okay with them on a simple "popcorn" level...most of the time?
Last film I can I say genuinely enjoyed was Spider Man Homecoming (because Michael Keaton). Is it 3-Hours worth of popcorn? Good for someone who wasn't blown away by Infinity War and who thought Black Panther was absolute gak?
I have a cinema nearby which has amazing leather reclining seats etc., and I can see a movie mid-day for like $6.
Probably not. The middle hour is a bit of a drag and it's really nothing more than a culmination of the MCU (up to this point). It's definitely not a self contained movie. It's much more crowded than IW.
I have seen probably less than quarter of MCU movies yet didn't feel like I was missing out on anything crucial.
And for me the middle was best. End(well end before the The End section) was meanwhile most boring part for me(though still passable)
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Elemental wrote: See, that was okay right up to the end. But you couldn't just leave it at your dislike of the movie simply being your opinion (which is entirely fine). You just had to get in a snarky dig about how people who did like it are "coddled", and therefore your opinion is superior to theirs. Poor form.
Coddled: treat in an indulgent or overprotective way.
Fanservice: is material in a work of fiction or in a fictional series which is intentionally added to please the audience.
I used coddled because fanserviced doesn't sound quite right. I clearly hate fanservice, even the idea of it, but if you enjoy it that's fine. I think the Fast and the Furious films are a load of rubbish, but some people enjoy them, that's their opinion. Art is extremely subjective. Unless it's something that advocates for abuse, racism, etc, I don't particularly care if you like it. I just observed that I don't understand how you can enjoy Endgame if you dislike fanservice, but I phrased it in a less than tactful way so for that I apologize.
"You can't take offence at the word I used, because I actually meant this other word which has a different meaning, and which I didn't actually use."
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
2019/04/27 22:54:26
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
Elbows wrote: Is it worthwhile for someone who is tired of super hero movies but is okay with them on a simple "popcorn" level...most of the time?
Last film I can I say genuinely enjoyed was Spider Man Homecoming (because Michael Keaton). Is it 3-Hours worth of popcorn? Good for someone who wasn't blown away by Infinity War and who thought Black Panther was absolute gak?
I have a cinema nearby which has amazing leather reclining seats etc., and I can see a movie mid-day for like $6.
If you saw Infinity War you’re fine seeing this, but if you didn’t like Black Panther I don’t know if you’ll enjoy this.
