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Cap having a life with Peggy doesn't actually interfere with the timeline, so far as I can think?
Provided Peggy is sworn to secrecy, everything still pans out as we've seen in the past 21 movies. After all, he's still a Capsicle until he's found in The First Avenger?
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I saw, it was awesome. Everything I could have hoped for. Although there was 1 thing that occurred to me after the fact:
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Thor's arc, while funny and made a lot of sense with all he had been through, really takes a step backwards from his arc in Ragnarok. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I mean he went through so much, losing Frigga and Odin, his home, etc yet still found it in himself to take leadership of his people. But losing his bro and half of his people and falling to stop Thanos was all it took to revert him back to a time when he didn't want to rule. That part, I could see, but then once they do stop Thanos and everyone is back, he passes it on to Valkerie? I guess it works since she was probably the "real" leader while Thor was being all depressed. It just kinda makes all his character development in Ragnarok seem hollow. That's really the only complaint I could possibly give to the movie
But, we'll see what happens in Gaurdians Vol.3: Asgardians of the Galaxy. Hopefully he loses the dad-bod and Quill gets a bit more mature and less jealous of him
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Thor's journey in this sort of echoes Loki's journey across the MCU films - he doesn't need to be what everyone thinks he should be. Loki didn't need to be the trickster villain, and while Thor proved he could be the new ruler of Asgard, this film ends up with him realising it's not what he wants to be, and there are others better suited to the job.
As for GotG 3, is that going to be the Guardians looking for Linda Gamora, while dodging Adam?
trexmeyer wrote: I thought it was a very mediocre film that is borderline Rotten for non MCU fans. Depending on how much of a fanboy/girl you are, you will either like or love the film. Personally, I disliked it enough that I'm probably not going to bother paying any attention to the MCU anymore. TLDR: Don't expect good writing in a comic book film.
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It started off strong. Another excellent cold open, the collective shock of killing Thanos, but realizing that solved nothing, and even after that there were some great moments. Thor/Cap/Iron Man 3v1 vs Thanos, Iron Man hugging Spider Man when he returned, Wanda taking on Thanos alone and forcing him to call in a freaking Orbital Bombardment. But outside of those...the film felt like little more than cornball fan service.
All of the Time Heist scenes were dreadful. I genuinely don't understand who finds the idea of Tony discussing parenting with his dad prior to Tony's birth interesting or meaningful. This is literally Hallmark Channel movie quality writing. Cap fights himself and groans at his catch phrase, cue laughter. Seriously? Oh, and the prosthetics for Thor's fat bod were awful. Like, is that really the best you can do? BSG got roasted for fat Lee Adama back in the day because weight gain isn't plot or character development.
Eh, there's just too much about this film that I can criticize. I'm really amazed that it is receiving the positive reception that it has been, but I guess people enjoy being coddled.
Just come back from seeing it and agree with much of this. Now, my perception might be a little coloured by the ignorant arsehole next to me who wouldn't stop looking at her phone, which spoiled my enjoyment of much of this- so I will go back for a rewatch with my free tickets I got in compensation But a lot of this film fell flat for me.
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I'll say this, I loved the start (and the ending)- even though killing off Thanos left the film directionless for much of its second act without a villain and far too much comedy was squashed in to this area. Now, a bit of comedy is good to break up the dourness but it is not balanced at all, Thanos would be displeased. It was too much mood whiplash to go from literally decapitating your big bad of the last decade and Thor (who later turns into God of the Neckbeards for reasons...) makes a witty quip to what should be a shocking scene.
In the middle I was just thinking "Pick a lane, movie!" Does it want to be funny? Oh look here's Neckbeard Thor in a fatsuit! Here's Hulk dabbing! But all this is for a serious mission so you're whipped back to that. BIG problem with the middle was the MAJOR continuity error. No, Disney- the first Avengers film took place in 2009. It came out in 2012 (They also made this error in Infinity War too when Stark says "Thanos has been in (his) head for the last 6 years"). You established this as fact in Spider-Man Homecoming yet ignore it here, not to even mention Parker coming back his school. Either every main Spider-Man character got snapped or someone fethed up.
The ending. Loved it. Massive rumble that the film spent far too much time getting too. It was worth the wait but it spent far too much time dicking around to get there.
I have a feeling I'll like this better on a rewatch due to things outside the cinema's control. I was a bit meh on Rogue One too due to needing the loo near the end and just desperately wanting the film to end, but loved it on a rewatch and is now one of my favourite Star Wars films, but I digress...
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I believe the Russos have basically stated that the 2009 date for the Battle of NY in Homecoming was the mistake, as everything else has kept the timeline broadly consistent.
Paradigm wrote: I believe the Russos have basically stated that the 2009 date for the Battle of NY in Homecoming was the mistake, as everything else has kept the timeline broadly consistent.
I wish they would out and out say this as there are loads of (maybe perceived) timeline screwups like this. People have come up with their own timelines but I've never seen an official one from Disney themselves.
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Probably the first movie with lots of time travel I didn't hate simply because they stated upfront how the time travel would work and and stuck to those rules. And they used it for lots of great nostalgia inducing moments.
he needed to return Mjolnir, so Past Thor had it for chinning Dark Elves. Like the stones, it had to go back where it came from
I really want a movie about...
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time travelling Cap with Mjolnir fixing various issues
Could fix that Hitler / Stalin / Mao / Genghis Khan / Tamerlame / New Coke problem...
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2019/04/29 20:15:44
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
Gael Knight wrote: I think RLM had a pretty good review for it. I agree with Jay's assessment that Captain Marvel takes away from Tony's sacrifice.
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Floating in space and getting rescued makes him appreciate what he could have
lost and makes us the audience appreciate what he's risking to have another go
at Thanos.
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...... any movie that relies on time travel to resolve the central crisis is treading a fine line of very weak writing.....
I think it’s less that the movie relied on it to resolve the crisis, and more that the crisis was created in a way to make an excuse to use it. Like, we want to do that, how do we set it up that they need to do that?
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...... any movie that relies on time travel to resolve the central crisis is treading a fine line of very weak writing.....
I think it’s less that the movie relied on it to resolve the crisis, and more that the crisis was created in a way to make an excuse to use it. Like, we want to do that, how do we set it up that they need to do that?
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Now you're just paraphrasing their solution to accurately travelling from the film.
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2019/04/29 21:25:47
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
Who would have guessed the universe would have been decided over a game of “touch-football”? And my favorite part was when Steve took up Mjolnir, as we expected to see back in Avengers 1. This movie was made for the fans and it showed. It was amazing. I can’t even begin to describe how happy I was with the performance I witnessed on the screen. And I expected Clint to die, not Natasha. I know if Whedon directed it, he WOULD have killed the family man. Anyway...just WOW!! Glad Cap got his happily ever after too!
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Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
Who would have guessed the universe would have been decided over a game of “touch-football”? And my favorite part was when Steve took up Mjolnir, as we expected to see back in Avengers 1. This movie was made for the fans and it showed. It was amazing. I can’t even begin to describe how happy I was with the performance I witnessed on the screen. And I expected Clint to die, not Natasha. I know if Whedon directed it, he WOULD have killed the family man. Anyway...just WOW!! Glad Cap got his happily ever after too!
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I thought Cap trying to pick up mjolnir was in Age of Ultron?
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the happier I am about it. It bodes really well for the future of the MCU and the introduction of new properties.
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Think about it. With the rules now established if they do Days of Future Past then Cable/Bishop would be coming back in time to create divergent timelines where their hell futures don't come to pass. But it doesn't destroy their time line. They still exist. Things still happen. They just try to make something different and better come about in the newly created time line.
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I thought the movie was okay. Not all that good, but not all that great. The first part (Infinity War) was better in my opinion. Ironically, Thanos second, suposedly more insane plan, was saner then the first. I thought the ending for Captain America was fairly lame and I don't think it respects the rules they set out to do. The sacrifice scene was excellent though, lots of fake-out. The feminine Avenger assemble was fairly lame and nearly out of place. I was dissapointed by the lack of Hulk smash.
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the death of Tony Stark was good if expected, but I would rather his last message was for the characters of the movie instead of a 4-wall message to the audience.
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I quite like the fem avengers bit, which is quite a shocker for some of you on here I assume haha.
But on the whole I agree with you, the movie was "meh" for me, Infinity war was better for me, Caps ending totally breaks the canon of the series to this point in such a major way that I am surprised they did it, but then they probably just assumed no one would care, Tony taking the stones was awesome but I am slightly pissed they killed thanos off, they also broke their own rules with gamorah as they stated that there is no way to bring people back after sacrificing them to the soul stone, except if you bring them back from the past... sooooooooooooooooooooooo, just go get her and screw that time line
they RUINED Hulk, we got no payoff from the last film.
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That's twice in two days I've been disappointed. GoT's Long Night was a bag of hot air and nothing else, and Endgame was... meh. Glad I watched it but I feel no need to ever watch it again. It's simply not noteworthy enough.
One big let down for me was the lack of conclusion to the Hulk is afraid arc that began in Infinity War. That had legs and room for character growth and a big "the Hulk is back" scene. Instead they do something with the Hulk that felt like a lot of nothing.
I'm trying to remember any scene in the film that was memorable and the only two that stand out are Cap doing the big thing at the end (hooray!) and the blatant women only scene that was like putting a handbrake on proceedings (boo!).
I quite like the fem avengers bit, which is quite a shocker for some of you on here I assume haha.
But on the whole I agree with you, the movie was "meh" for me, Infinity war was better for me, Caps ending totally breaks the canon of the series to this point in such a major way that I am surprised they did it, but then they probably just assumed no one would care, Tony taking the stones was awesome but I am slightly pissed they killed thanos off, they also broke their own rules with gamorah as they stated that there is no way to bring people back after sacrificing them to the soul stone, except if you bring them back from the past... sooooooooooooooooooooooo, just go get her and screw that time line
they RUINED Hulk, we got no payoff from the last film.
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I will say that while I thought it was a cool moment of cinema, the scene was decidedly forced. Like, what reason was there for the women, and only the women, to suddenly gather up like that and do cool gak other than because someone in a board room said "we should have all the girl avengers gather up and do some cool gak." I don't disagree that it was cool, but I also can't really see it as organic to the story. Then again, the entire movie was filled to the brim with nostalgia and fan service, so it's not really that out of place.
I quite like the fem avengers bit, which is quite a shocker for some of you on here I assume haha.
But on the whole I agree with you, the movie was "meh" for me, Infinity war was better for me, Caps ending totally breaks the canon of the series to this point in such a major way that I am surprised they did it, but then they probably just assumed no one would care, Tony taking the stones was awesome but I am slightly pissed they killed thanos off, they also broke their own rules with gamorah as they stated that there is no way to bring people back after sacrificing them to the soul stone, except if you bring them back from the past... sooooooooooooooooooooooo, just go get her and screw that time line
they RUINED Hulk, we got no payoff from the last film.
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I will say that while I thought it was a cool moment of cinema, the scene was decidedly forced. Like, what reason was there for the women, and only the women, to suddenly gather up like that and do cool gak other than because someone in a board room said "we should have all the girl avengers gather up and do some cool gak." I don't disagree that it was cool, but I also can't really see it as organic to the story. Then again, the entire movie was filled to the brim with nostalgia and fan service, so it's not really that out of place.
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I'll disagree that it was cool, it was far too forced to be cool - it was a bit the "How do you do, fellow kids." of movie scenes. It's why the whole subject gets tiresome - nobody is content with simply showing/seeing good characters who are also women doing cool and interesting things as part of the story and letting that speak for itself, it has to be made into A Thing, and I can't work out who it's really for except the movie execs themselves as a pat on the back, or the tiny part of the audience who're incapable of switching off their Activist Brain for even one single nanosecond. People say "young girls need to see this kind of thing", but I'd ask what they get out of that kind of scene that they wouldn't get out of a regular women+men+aliens+deities+gamma-mutants "Avengers Moment"? I've seen it argued it's about driving home "the message" to people who get angry at lady supey-heroes, but shoving things they don't like in people's faces is, scientifically speaking, the worst way to persuade them of anything. If the target audience is people who're already fine with female heroes, well, most of us seem to find it just cringey rather than inspirational or profound.
You "normalise" something by treating it as exactly that; normal, everyday, unexceptional. Presenting it as A Thing does exactly the opposite, marking it out as unusual and worthy of specific comment.
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My fav bit of the whole movie is when Wanda utterly wrecks Thanos and he has to cheat to get her away from him.
I didn't need another moment where all the main female characters suddenly show up at the same moment to 'support' the biggest brick gak house in the entire MCU who needs help from nobody to show how "powerful" the women are. Wanda did that all by herself just by being herself, and it was never forced and never came across as pandering.
The whole A-Force moment makes no logical or geographical sense.
I quite like the fem avengers bit, which is quite a shocker for some of you on here I assume haha.
But on the whole I agree with you, the movie was "meh" for me, Infinity war was better for me, Caps ending totally breaks the canon of the series to this point in such a major way that I am surprised they did it, but then they probably just assumed no one would care, Tony taking the stones was awesome but I am slightly pissed they killed thanos off, they also broke their own rules with gamorah as they stated that there is no way to bring people back after sacrificing them to the soul stone, except if you bring them back from the past... sooooooooooooooooooooooo, just go get her and screw that time line
they RUINED Hulk, we got no payoff from the last film.
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I will say that while I thought it was a cool moment of cinema, the scene was decidedly forced. Like, what reason was there for the women, and only the women, to suddenly gather up like that and do cool gak other than because someone in a board room said "we should have all the girl avengers gather up and do some cool gak." I don't disagree that it was cool, but I also can't really see it as organic to the story. Then again, the entire movie was filled to the brim with nostalgia and fan service, so it's not really that out of place.
these movies have forced moments of "Cool" all the time
Like when in 1, the Avengers all posed infront of Loki right when he woke up, Forced and not organic but cool.
I dont go to movies for "Natural and Organic" I go for cool
I cant argue with any of that, yes it was forced, yes we all know why it was done, visually I found it cool though for the same reason as the same scene at the start of age of ultron, I just liked the look of it.
Either way the MCU is about to go through an interesting period of change, I can see it going either way from this point on if DC continues to gain ground and Marvel screws up the next decade could be all about the DCEU, cant wait to find out
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But a lot of this film fell flat for me.
It was too much mood whiplash to go from literally decapitating your big bad of the last decade and Thor (who later turns into God of the Neckbeards for reasons...) makes a witty quip to what should be a shocking scene.
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