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It depends, they have several sequels planned and with the Acquisition of Fox, two teams of heroes that are pretty popular.
Now, My fear/concern is what is going to be done for crossovers now? the OG heroes are gone and no Central Conflict they where building too, even if it was slowly, all the Avengers movies directly or indirectly delt with thanos(Ultron not really, but the conflict got started because of him) and we where searching for signs of the stones in all movies.
Maybe we get secret wars.
People are complaining about Wanda standing up to Thanos when in the Xmen comics didn't she once take away all the powers of every mutant on Earth?
I personally thought the movie was great. There was no really obvious "Why didn't Dr. Strange just sling-ring Thanos' arm off at the elbow" scenes like in Infinity War.
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The time travel mechanic was actually well done, for once, avoiding thousands of paradoxes like usually crop up. They were effectively stealing other alternate universes' stones, rather than their own. Same with Gamora. She is essentially a stranded citizen from another universe at this point, which gets around the rules of the Soul Stone. Plus adds good drama to the next Guardians movie as Peter tries to get his lost love back.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
2019/05/01 02:00:25
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
AegisGrimm wrote: People are complaining about Wanda standing up to Thanos when in the Xmen comics didn't she once take away all the powers of every mutant on Earth?
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Much more then the lame female assemble scene, Wanda pretty much beating Thanos was an example of strong female scene (and maybe a forewarning about the potential danger she could come to be). That and Captain Marvel fight against Thanos in the movie finale were definitely good moments for the female cast.
BTW, where the feth did Valkyrie found a winged horse? Is it cool, yes, but where did she found it. It's not like she had it in Ragnarok.
Modedit: Gotta end those spoiler tags -malf
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2019/05/01 03:04:15
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
Cap time travels between 1945 and 2023 fixing stuff with nothing but his wits, his broken shield, his time travel watch and Mjolnir.
Oh AND a holographic disguise machine.
So basically Quantum Leap, with superheros, and you don't know which character is Cap until he suddenly hits Nixon in the family jewels with Mjolnir and zaps back into the time stream.
So you really only need Chris Evens for a few minutes an episode.
Disney, CALL ME!
2019/05/01 04:31:38
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
AegisGrimm wrote: People are complaining about Wanda standing up to Thanos when in the Xmen comics didn't she once take away all the powers of every mutant on Earth?
People are complaining about Wanda TK'ing Thanos within an inch of his life? That was my fav bit in the entire film.
It's a female character in pop culture. Like it not, feel about it how you want, valid or not, someone somewhere is complaining about it. EDIT: You may replace "female" with other words. This statement still holds true
I get the one scene cause I can complain about it myself a bit. Not that much though. I do think Wanda and Black Widows moments on screen though were excellent. Excellent continuations of how their characters have been developed in the films. Pepper probably deserves some props too. For someone who only really got two scenes in the movie, she really sold the long suffering love who accepted things as they were for better or worse.
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Yeah, anyone who complains about Captain Marvels power level is an idiot. Wanda is clearly the most powerful person in the MCU when she really lets loose.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
LordofHats wrote: Pepper probably deserves some props too. For someone who only really got two scenes in the movie, she really sold the long suffering love who accepted things as they were for better or worse.
Pepper is another great tragedy of the film. I mean that's probably all the Rescue we're ever going to get on screen.
Lance845 wrote: Yeah, anyone who complains about Captain Marvels power level is an idiot. Wanda is clearly the most powerful person in the MCU when she really lets loose.
I guess people got affraid that Marvel would pull the same trick DC did to try to buy back some of Superman credibility as a character in the DCCU by punching the villain twice while making funny quips and saving the day while the others are basically demoted to extras.
PS: I was pleasantly surprised by Pepper's reaction to Tony's ending. It showed some growth in both character.
PPS: Is it just me or does the haircut of future Captain Marvel is atrocious and so is the fancy version of future Thor.
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I quite like the fem avengers bit, which is quite a shocker for some of you on here I assume haha.
But on the whole I agree with you, the movie was "meh" for me, Infinity war was better for me, Caps ending totally breaks the canon of the series to this point in such a major way that I am surprised they did it, but then they probably just assumed no one would care, Tony taking the stones was awesome but I am slightly pissed they killed thanos off, they also broke their own rules with gamorah as they stated that there is no way to bring people back after sacrificing them to the soul stone, except if you bring them back from the past... sooooooooooooooooooooooo, just go get her and screw that time line
they RUINED Hulk, we got no payoff from the last film.
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I will say that while I thought it was a cool moment of cinema, the scene was decidedly forced. Like, what reason was there for the women, and only the women, to suddenly gather up like that and do cool gak other than because someone in a board room said "we should have all the girl avengers gather up and do some cool gak." I don't disagree that it was cool, but I also can't really see it as organic to the story. Then again, the entire movie was filled to the brim with nostalgia and fan service, so it's not really that out of place.
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I'll disagree that it was cool, it was far too forced to be cool - it was a bit the "How do you do, fellow kids." of movie scenes. It's why the whole subject gets tiresome - nobody is content with simply showing/seeing good characters who are also women doing cool and interesting things as part of the story and letting that speak for itself, it has to be made into A Thing, and I can't work out who it's really for except the movie execs themselves as a pat on the back, or the tiny part of the audience who're incapable of switching off their Activist Brain for even one single nanosecond. People say "young girls need to see this kind of thing", but I'd ask what they get out of that kind of scene that they wouldn't get out of a regular women+men+aliens+deities+gamma-mutants "Avengers Moment"? I've seen it argued it's about driving home "the message" to people who get angry at lady supey-heroes, but shoving things they don't like in people's faces is, scientifically speaking, the worst way to persuade them of anything. If the target audience is people who're already fine with female heroes, well, most of us seem to find it just cringey rather than inspirational or profound.
You "normalise" something by treating it as exactly that; normal, everyday, unexceptional. Presenting it as A Thing does exactly the opposite, marking it out as unusual and worthy of specific comment.
Lance845 wrote: Yeah, anyone who complains about Captain Marvels power level is an idiot. Wanda is clearly the most powerful person in the MCU when she really lets loose.
I guess people got affraid that Marvel would pull the same trick DC did to try to buy back some of Superman credibility as a character in the DCCU by punching the villain twice while making funny quips and saving the day while the others are basically demoted to extras.
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It was a pretty good way to handle a character with a Superman-esque power level--just set things up so they're out in space dealing with cosmic stuff for most of the movie, and can't just show up to trivialise other characters.
Just for another data point, I enjoyed the girls' team-up moment. Cheesy, but it looked so cool I just didn't care. And on a meta level, I could see it as a "Don't worry." after Black Widow, the only girl in the Avengers treehouse for a while, got killed off.
Also, this is probably just me, but....
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For the scene in Tokyo, I swear I was wondering if it would be Deadpool. Just the setup of a faceless guy with a sword killing Japanese gangsters reminded me of DP2.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
For the scene in Tokyo, I swear I was wondering if it would be Deadpool. Just the setup of a faceless guy with a sword killing Japanese gangsters reminded me of DP2.
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As the movie was wrapping up after Tony snapped his fingers I literally thought "is this it? Does X-Men exist now?" and the image I had was Deadpool, voiced by Ryan Renolds, just popping into the scene after the big battle and breaking the fourth wall about how bs the ending is while all the other characters stare wondering who the feth he is. It would have completely ruined the moment, sure, but it would have been worth it for the hilarity.
One of the ongoing subjects of discussion regarding Marvel’s vast live-action empire has revolved around the use of tv heroes in the big Marvel Studios films; such as any of the Netflix Marvel’s The Defenders members showing up in Avengers: Endgame.
It’s worth noting, if you HAVEN’T SEEN Avengers: Endgame yet, there will be spoilers here.
Screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely just spoke with The New York Times after the release of the 22nd live-action Marvel Studios feature film, and tackled this very question.
Why didn’t Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Danny Rand (Iron Fist), Matt Murdock (Daredevil), or Frank Castle (The Punisher) show up during the big giant battle against Thanos when the rest of the MCU did?
“We would have to introduce these five characters — or whatever many,” McFeely said. “We already are assuming people have seen a lot of the movies. Are we really going to assume they have bought a subscription to Netflix and watched those shows enough so that when they see them, they’re going to go ‘yay?'”
Of course, there was the hat tip to ABC’s cancelled-too-soon Agent Carter with James D’Arcy appearing as Edwin Jarvis in a trip to the past.
The addition of the Netflix heroes and the ABC Marvel Television heroes (including The Inhumans) “screws up the timelines,” Markus added. “You would have to assume that they all got snapped away, or otherwise they might have shown up earlier. I think the only character who has come from TV to the movies is Jarvis.”
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2019/05/01 16:46:48
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
On the female Avengers scene, seeing people asking "Who is this for?", well, my wife loved it. My niece loved it. My sister loved it. I guess that is who it was for?
Actually I loved it too, and yeah, it was gimmicky, but these films are full of gimmicks so I don't see why anyone needs to get upset about this specific one.
If I had a criticism it would be that one quick scene does not really make up for having to wait til this year to finally get a female superhero movie from Marvel. They could have managed one much earlier, and this does seem like trying to rush in and get credit when you haven't done the work.
But it was a cool scene and made my wife grin ear to ear, so I like it.
I figure they need a wee break while they figure out what to do next, but I wonder if the financial imperative will allow for that? I love this series of movies and have enjoyed all of them, genuinely, even Thor 2 and the Hulk movie (really under rated in my opinion!). But I think they've done it now, landed the plane in a way I never thought they would be able to at the start. I have been really skeptical so many times. I didn't think they could make Cap or Thor work in their own movies. Then I didn't think they could manage an Avengers team up. Then I didn't think they could maintain the quaility across the sequels. I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was not gonna work. I thought Thor Ragnarok would be absolutely mediocre at best. I always thought selling giant purple scrotum face as the big villain was going to be impossible. I have never enjoyed being wrong more! And then in my view they capped it all off with this movie which is a celebration of the previous 11 years of film making. Time for a breather I feel like. But we have Far From Home and Black Panther 2 lined up, and I have to admit, I am excited for both movies.
As a comics nerd since I was really small, I feel incredibly lucky that I got to see this. I remember when Superhero movies were mostly pretty bad but I watched them all anyway. Getting to see this work on screen has been wonderful. I never understand people who claim to be comic fans who are so negative about what these films have achieved. I get to share huge sprawling comic crossovers with my wife and watch her excitement, remembering my own excitement the first time I read a big crossover comic as a kid. The richest movie studio in the world is basically pandering directly to me and people like me, and it is awesome
The only complaint I had with the all Female Heroes scene is that it took me out of the movie for just a moment. It was cool, and I enjoyd it, but then I immediately was like: "Wait, why and how did all the estrogen get to this one section of the battle at once? Did they plan that? Like did some of them yell 'Hey all girls over here, no boys allowed!'" So while cool, it took me out of the movie for a moment
But was that moment really all that different from so many of the other fan service moments that were also impractical?
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Yeah, the reason most people I think dont feel its natural is cause they are women.
Who cares if it is natural if it makes someone smile?
This entire battle aint natural. The headlong charge? kinda dumb.
I did love we got to see more chitauri though
It’s stupid, but if they Didn’t have the female heroes be the ones to beat up Proxima instead of the males, could you imagine the uproar on the internet? A couple of guys beating up a woman on screen?
AduroT wrote: It’s stupid, but if they Didn’t have the female heroes be the ones to beat up Proxima instead of the males, could you imagine the uproar on the internet? A couple of guys beating up a woman on screen?
Nobody cried when Arnold killed his fake wife in Total Recall (or in the remake). Nobody cried when Phasma got beaten by Finn. Villainess are usually fair game for violence, especially if they aren't pretty (like Proxima) and use violence to oppose the hero instead of seduction, lies, etc. Genre also has an impact. We tolerate and love crazy killer who kill innocent women. I would have had no problem with male superheroes fighting her and in fact thought strange that to normal human women could tackle someone with superhuman strength.
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2019/05/01 22:28:32
Subject: Re:Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware
I for one love the new comic book accurate Captain Marvel haircut. The mohawk through the helmet was cool and all, but the pixie cut fits the character better, and looks damn hot on Brie Larson, too.
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The girl power moment was no goofier than all the other pairups that just 'happened' to pop up in the chaos, like Tony and Pepper spiralling around each other. Its the comic version of Rule of Cool
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Putting aside the logical and geographical issues that scene had, the other main reason it doesn't work is because it's so hollow and cynical - a bit of "grrl power" pandering that jumps out from the rest of that sequence because of out of place it is.
At least with Tony and Pepper you can say that they're flying around and them meeting up makes some level of sense. Hope just abandoning Scott and the van to pose with Carol? Mantis being there at all? What?
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I thought it was cool because it’s an obvious A-Force Easter egg, I like all of those characters, and I knew people on the internet would be butthurt about it.
Is it pandering? Hell yes it is. But so is Cap saying, “Avengers... assemble!” while standing there and having Thanos and his army give them enough time to slingring in and pose for splash page.
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