Switch Theme:

Avengers: Endgame -- spoilers so beware  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Martial Arts Fiday






Nashville, TN

Spoiler:
the only issue with the girl moment was Mantis. I played it out in my head like:

Mantis: (touches slobbering monster-soldier) Ooohhh, I'm feeling that you hate me and want to kill me...
Slobbering Monster-soldier #8349: Graaaawwwr!!!! (Stabs Mantis in the chest)
Mantis: (perplexed gurgling sounds)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/05/02 02:04:03


"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"

-Nobody Ever

Proverbs 18:2

"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.

 warboss wrote:

GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.

EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.

Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! 
   
Made in us
Norn Queen






 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Spoiler:
the only issue with the girl moment was Mantis. I played it out in my head like:

Mantis: (touches slobbering monster-soldier) Ooohhh, I'm feeling that you hate me and want to kill me...
Slobbering Monster-soldier #8349: Graaaawwwr!!!! (Stabs Mantis in the chest)
Mantis: (perplexed gurgling sounds)


Spoiler:
Mantis has been with the guardians long enough. Between Gamora, Rocket, and Quill she would have learned to fight in their rag tag weird, fly by the seat of your pants kind of way. In a big mash up with other people helping you out she can slip in, use her powers to disorient people, and probably slip a knife in between their ribs. I am A'Okay with Mantis being in a line up. Shes not the toughest or the best, but she works well with a team or she wouldn't still be alive with the Guardians.


These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
 
   
Made in us
Martial Arts Fiday






Nashville, TN

Meh.

"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"

-Nobody Ever

Proverbs 18:2

"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.

 warboss wrote:

GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.

EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.

Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! 
   
Made in au
Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests






Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What is the problem with "Girl Power" ?
Nothing, as long as it's organic to the story being told and logical for the situation at hand, of which that shot in Endgame was neither.

Compare it to, say, Okoye and Widow coming to rescue Wanda in Infinity War. That "She's not alone!" made sense in the context of the film. All the women showing up at one exact spot (especially Hope), to "help" someone who needed no help, was not organic or logical. It was a hollow and cynical gesture.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/05/02 02:48:13


Industrial Insanity - My Terrain Blog
"GW really needs to understand 'Less is more' when it comes to AoS." - Wha-Mu-077

 
   
Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut




 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What is the problem with "Girl Power" ?
Nothing, as long as it's organic to the story being told and logical for the situation at hand, of which that shot in Endgame was neither.

Compare it to, say, Okoye and Widow coming to rescue Wanda in Infinity War. That "She's not alone!" made sense in the context of the film. All the women showing up at one exact spot (especially Hope), to "help" someone who needed no help, was not organic or logical. It was a hollow and cynical gesture.



Indeed, moments of "girl power" are always welcome in my book, but they have to be genuine moment of "girl power" like the power reveal of Captain Marvel, the duel between Wanda and Thanos, Hope introduction as the Wasp, Wonder Woman in the no man's land, Furiosa killing Immortin Joe, Black Widow sacrifice, etc. I don't want a corporate check-list of "things to do to please the female and feminist demographic". Lip service and tokenism is just as insulting as being ignored.
   
Made in us
Member of the Ethereal Council






Soo like, are yall mad at the Shot at avengers where they all stood posing over Loki?
OR the shot where Thanos Just waits for the rest of the army?
Cause those are not natural?
Again, these movies are chock full of moments that are not natural.
Who gives a feth if it isnt Natural when it is cool?

5000pts 6000pts 3000pts
 
   
Made in us
Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau




USA

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Soo like, are yall mad at the Shot at avengers where they all stood posing over Loki?


The silly part of that scene isn't that all the avengers stood posing over Loki. It makes complete sense that after finishing up his mook army they'd go make sure he didn't Loki away or anything.

The silly part of that scene is that Loki conveniently remained unconscious until the Avengers finished off his army and arrived to collect him, but there wasn't anything else going on at that point so...

OR the shot where Thanos Just waits for the rest of the army?


Because Thanos would gloat like an arrogant jack ass flaunting his overinflated sense of self-righteousness to the last man standing? That seems pretty in character for the guy actually.


Again, these movies are chock full of moments that are not natural.


True. But but they didn't call attention to themselves by happening in the middle of some big battle (where several characters were already shown as being involved with other things just seconds earlier). I mean I can sardonically point out that in Avengers literally no one sticks to the plan Cap laid out for the final battle and characters just conveniently appeared places to do cool gak the entire time, and it is basically the same thing.

It doesn't really bother me, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't notice the very obvious forced nature of the cool set pieces and how they don't remotely fit into the narrative on their own.

Who gives a feth if it isnt Natural when it is cool?


I'm sure the people who made Sucker Punch, Suicide Squad, Justice League, and a horde of other god awful action flicks said the same thing. The rule of cool doesn't really stand on its own very well.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/05/02 04:00:26


   
Made in us
[MOD]
Madrak Ironhide







Suckerpunch was an amazing music video!

DR:70+S+G-MB-I+Pwmhd05#+D++A+++/aWD100R++T(S)DM+++
Get your own Dakka Code!

"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude 
   
Made in ca
Longtime Dakkanaut




 malfred wrote:
Suckerpunch was an amazing music video!


True, and while Superman presence spoiled Justice League, it wasn't that bad.
   
Made in us
Keeper of the Flame





Monticello, IN

 Lance845 wrote:
The short hair Cap Marvl is also comic accurate.



I hope the do the shaved sides in her next movie.



As long as they don't do that Anne Burrell looking atrocity from that Ed McGinnis cover.

www.classichammer.com

For 4-6th WFB, 2-5th 40k, and similar timeframe gaming

Looking for dice from the new AOS boxed set and Dark Imperium on the cheap. Let me know if you can help.
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
Made in ca
Huge Hierodule






Outflanking

 LordofHats wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Soo like, are yall mad at the Shot at avengers where they all stood posing over Loki?


The silly part of that scene isn't that all the avengers stood posing over Loki. It makes complete sense that after finishing up his mook army they'd go make sure he didn't Loki away or anything.

The silly part of that scene is that Loki conveniently remained unconscious until the Avengers finished off his army and arrived to collect him, but there wasn't anything else going on at that point so...


I suspect that Loki was out of it for a while after getting Hulksmashed. The Avengers probably spent an hour standing around discussing which one-liner they should use before he finally woke up.

Q: What do you call a Dinosaur Handpuppet?

A: A Maniraptor 
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
But was that moment really all that different from so many of the other fan service moments that were also impractical?
The difference, at least in my head, is that other fans service moments involved characters that had actually MET prior to that. For example, the 360 of the original 6 Avengers was a cool moment they brought back for Endgame. It's iconic and also made sense. They had to gather together to determine their game plan.
Tony and Pepper fighting back to back also makes sense. Tony made that suit for Pepper and they would naturally want to be near each other, being married and all.

But Pepper, Valkerie and Mantis, just as an example 3, have probably never met before that moment.
While it was definitely a cool moment, it broke my suspension of disbeilf for just a second (which, say a lot considering how willing people can believe the other unrealistic stuff going on)

Another moment that I didn't think too much of at the time, but stick out to me now:
Spoiler:
When all the snapped characters return via Dr Strange and crew sling rings, it sure was nice of Thanos to hold his army back until everyone showed up.

-

   
Made in us
Battlefield Tourist




MN (Currently in WY)

Regarding Thanos holding back.... wasn't his army still assembling too?

Support Blood and Spectacles Publishing:
https://www.patreon.com/Bloodandspectaclespublishing 
   
Made in gb
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'





Dorset, England

I watched it yesterday, I really liked it although I think Infinity War was better.

Thanos stole the show just like last time, they should really do an Thanos: Origins about him building his army, recruiting his acolytes and beginning the quest to bring balance to the cosmos one planet at a time.

Spoiler:
One question I did have is that the Ancient One in timeline 2 said that without the stones her universe would be overrun by darkness. Since the triumphant Thanos destroyed the stones in universe 1, doesn't that mean that universe is doomed to be overrun by darkness?


And since we're all being pernickety, did anyone notice how most the 'heros' were interested in getting back at Thanos mainly because they had bruised egos about losing? Not very heroic!



Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Galef wrote:

Another moment that I didn't think too much of at the time, but stick out to me now:
Spoiler:
When all the snapped characters return via Dr Strange and crew sling rings, it sure was nice of Thanos to hold his army back until everyone showed up.

-

Spoiler:
Also nice of him not to rain fire down from the skies using his flagship whilst the Avenger army was assembling in full view as well

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/05/02 15:28:12


 
   
Made in us
Nihilistic Necron Lord






I think her concern was not having it on hand for Strange to use when he did to stop his big world ending threat in his movie.

 
   
Made in us
Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh





Norwalk, Connecticut

@Kroem: Thanos is arrogant; why would he? He honestly thinks he is incapable of losing and that his cause is just.

Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.

Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.


Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind.  
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





 AduroT wrote:
I think her concern was not having it on hand for Strange to use when he did to stop his big world ending threat in his movie.


Yup, this. Dormamu would have successfully invaded without the time stone.
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






Thanos is also completely insane.

For instance, once the six stones are in the glove, why not achieve much the same thing, by Snapping into existence double the galaxies, rather than halving the inhabitants?

But he’s not without smarts.

Spoiler:
Hence we see him destroy the stones with a second snap. Hence why his earlier self sees the flaw in the initial plan, and conceives of a second way to achieve his plan.

But that’s part of his attraction as a character. He’s incredibly driven. He genuinely believes he’s doing The Right Thing. If he had any doubts, he’d have long flagged and given up, given the sheer scale of the task he assigned to himself.

It’s a very strong character, and that we can understand, if not accept his motivation only adds to that.

   
Made in us
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)




The Great State of Texas

Yes if you control time space matter etc. just double the resources, half the resources needed etc.

Turns out he's just a psychopath after all.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






Yup.

Still a very effective bad guy.

   
Made in gb
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'





Dorset, England

 LunarSol wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
I think her concern was not having it on hand for Strange to use when he did to stop his big world ending threat in his movie.


Yup, this. Dormamu would have successfully invaded without the time stone.


Yea I get that, but it sounded like she was speaking more generally to me. Almost like without the power of the infinity stones it would be almost impossible to protect the universe from threating creatures like, but not limited to Dormamu.
   
Made in us
Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?





Fort Worth, TX

IIRC, she was also talking about a lack of balance that would be caused by removing one stone from existence while leaving the others, hence Bruce's idea to return the stone immediately after it's removed.

"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me."
- Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks 
   
Made in us
Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh





Norwalk, Connecticut

 Frazzled wrote:
Yes if you control time space matter etc. just double the resources, half the resources needed etc.

Turns out he's just a psychopath after all.


It was pointed out in the Infinity War thread last year, but the reason he didn't do this was "nobody would learn a lesson and it would just happen all over again". The part he didn't think of was that 1000 years in the future, he'd be gone, everyone who survived the cull would be gone, and it would just be a myth of legend. But in his mind's eye, he's right; in the immediate time, people wouldn't learn any lessons if they suddenly just gained a whole ton without a travesty to "give it" to them. The cull (or Snap) made the survivors remember what they lost and appreciate what they still had (again, in his mind's eye). He's driven, he honestly believes he's doing the right thing, and his reasoning is sound. But he sees the immediate future, and not a millennia into the future when the same thing will happen again, and his Infinity War passes into the realm of legend. So he's right and wrong all in the same breath.

Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.

Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.


Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind.  
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






Still all adds agency to him. And those who oppose him.

Ideal medium? Assuming his physical frame could handle it?

First Snap as is.

Lecture the Universe on sustainability.

Second Snap.

Bring those bumped off by first snap.

Third Snap?

Double universes resources, or enough to comfortably sustain existing populace.

Fourth Snap?

None of them can trace me. None of them will ever find me. But from the previous lessons, they know to ‘watch it’, because ‘I’m watching them’

That Thanos didn’t think of that, and only follow the one path, is brilliantly compelling. It gives us someone to kind of understand (we live on this planet like we’ve another to go to), whilst being objectively abhorrent.

   
Made in us
Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh





Norwalk, Connecticut

The Gauntlet was specifically built to only allow two snaps. Nothing more. There was no third or fourth snap possible.

Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.

Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.


Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind.  
   
Made in gb
Joined the Military for Authentic Experience





On an Express Elevator to Hell!!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Thanos is also completely insane.

For instance, once the six stones are in the glove, why not achieve much the same thing, by Snapping into existence double the galaxies, rather than halving the inhabitants?

But he’s not without smarts.

Spoiler:
Hence we see him destroy the stones with a second snap. Hence why his earlier self sees the flaw in the initial plan, and conceives of a second way to achieve his plan.

But that’s part of his attraction as a character. He’s incredibly driven. He genuinely believes he’s doing The Right Thing. If he had any doubts, he’d have long flagged and given up, given the sheer scale of the task he assigned to himself.

It’s a very strong character, and that we can understand, if not accept his motivation only adds to that.


Definitely one of the best things about a lot of the Marvel bad-guys, there is always a logic behind their actions and why they are doing what they do, even if it is utterly tyrannical.

Kroem wrote:I watched it yesterday, I really liked it although I think Infinity War was better.



I think so too, although the more I think about Endgame the more I like it - there were some really subtle bits of plotting that it's quite easy to miss.

Epic 30K&40K! A new players guide, contributors welcome https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page
Small but perfectly formed! A Great Crusade Epic 6mm project: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/694411.page

 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA

Yeah, at this point it could be complained why Thanos doesn't just have his ship open fire on all the heroes as they dramatically enter.



"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."  
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Madrak Ironhide







 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, at this point it could be complained why Thanos doesn't just have his ship open fire on all the heroes as they dramatically enter.


Power up after porting in kinda thing /shrug

DR:70+S+G-MB-I+Pwmhd05#+D++A+++/aWD100R++T(S)DM+++
Get your own Dakka Code!

"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude 
   
Made in gb
Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?





UK

I think the answer to that is in his dialogue just prior.

Spoiler:

"In all my years of conquest, of violence, it has never once been personal. But I must admit, I'm going to enjoy what I'm about to do to your stubborn, pathetic planet."

He relishes the opportunity to fight the very best Earth has to offer, because in his mind, with the foreknowledge that he has already won one in the future, he can't possibly lose. His army is immense, he's just decked Cap, Stark and Thor, and there's a smile on his face the whole time. It's personal, it's his final test, and he is so supremely confident. So let them assemble, let them fight, because then he can prove once and for all that he's the most powerful being in the universe. Fulfil his destiny.

 
   
Made in gb
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, at this point it could be complained why Thanos doesn't just have his ship open fire on all the heroes as they dramatically enter.


Then we wouldn’t have Corvus Glaive say the dumbest line of the film.

*Thanos orders the Sanctuary II to open fire on the Avengers and their army
“But sir! You’ll hit our own troops!”

melon-fether? How long have you worked for Thanos again?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/05/02 21:55:32



Games Workshop Delenda Est.

Users on ignore- 53.

If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them. 
   
 
Forum Index » Geek Media
Go to: