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They aren't going to update the community page further though so anything else we get will be from attendees.

so only thing for AoS was generals handbook? that's disappointing

 Alexonian wrote:
so only thing for AoS was generals handbook? that's disappointing

And Warcry since its highly likely most of those models will get rolled into a big Slaves to Darkness release (considering we can see the fiends already).
Shadspire is also technically part of it as those models do cross over to AoS.



Also don't forget AoS might be sufering from the container trade issues. Sylvanath was to be out already and it might well be another Tome is in the waiting for a release too and GW just haven't hinted because there's no point until they know what's happening with the shipments.

nice to see mars has found a 40,000 year old STC for a hover craft!

 Crimson wrote:
I really hope those daemons get 40K and AOS rules, they're pretty damn excellent.

I rather doubt it, seeing these are HH hybrid daemons of multiple gods temporarily created by Lorgar and co 10000 years ago (which is why they have multiple colors). Unless great rift allows same shenanigans as ruinstorm, FW writers will just go "there is no fluff justification, frak you".

As for AoS, hahahaha. They can't even maintain existing FW AoS range, or finish basically ready rules (Cyraxus). Emperor will rise from Golden Trone sooner than these lazy will spend 5 minutes creating rules for anything than their pet projects, and even that will take 20 years...

 Kanluwen wrote:


No, just that there's two new colors. Might sound silly, but since Corax White is an 'off' white and Mechanicus Standard Grey is just plain ol' grey? It might be that these colors are meant to be more neutral for the contrasts?

Looks like they are a warm off white and a cool off white for use as basecoats for warm and cool colors respectively.

T

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Aeronautica. ing. Imperialis. The best game GW ever made. I swear GW, if you somehow manage to screw this up...

 Overread wrote:

 Alexonian wrote:
so only thing for AoS was generals handbook? that's disappointing

Also don't forget AoS might be sufering from the container trade issues. Sylvanath was to be out already and it might well be another Tome is in the waiting for a release too and GW just haven't hinted because there's no point until they know what's happening with the shipments.

Hadn't this. What's going on with the container?

Lemondish wrote:
Love the new Repulsor variant. Can drop some of the AT responsibilities from Repulsors now.

Just three things we need from a new codex now...

Stratagem support for Primaris units, hopefully providing defensive tools
Tactics for vehicles
Options to drop all those extra weapons from Repulsors if we want

Are you kidding? The entire codex from the ground up needs to be redone. Primaris are the bottom barrel of the book and the top echelon is barely any better.

 Kirasu wrote:
Primaris are the bottom barrel of the book

This sounds like a feature, not a bug.

 legionaires wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Alexonian wrote:
so only thing for AoS was generals handbook? that's disappointing

Also don't forget AoS might be sufering from the container trade issues. Sylvanath was to be out already and it might well be another Tome is in the waiting for a release too and GW just haven't hinted because there's no point until they know what's happening with the shipments.

Hadn't this. What's going on with the container?

the video in this update explains it

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/08/a-late-bloom-for-the-sylvaneth/

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How does the fluff explain the "Generic Daemons" from the Ruinstorm? Don't they have to be aligned?

There's six patterns you must pick to lead your army.. None are explicitly named, but four are basically your big four, one is Undivided.. And the last is basically Malal of all things from what I've seen from sources.

Resplendent Terror: Undivided.
Crimson Fury: Khorne
Maddening Swarms: Tzeentch
Creeping Scourge: Nurgle
Lurid Onslaught: Slaanesh
Mirror of Hate: Malal/other names for hating other daemons (Gets Hatred Daemons bonuses)

Nabbed from here as it explains some of the bits from the army list. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Daemons_of_the_Ruinstorm_(30k)

been looking at the contrast examples from the day... dunno strikes me as very much traditional base coat and a wash....

 bullyboy wrote:
wow, so GW knocking it out of the park for the past year has finally come to an end! The admech and primaris vehicles look ghastly, the chaos knights look good but 40k doesn't really need more knights. My wallet thanks you GW!!

the repulsor seems... unnesscary yeah. (had they not given it a troop capacity and presented it as a pure tank, it woulda been fine, a predator to the repulsor's razoerback) but as it is, it seems unnesscary duplication. although given it's described as a "modest capcity" my bet is it can only carry 5 troops. which honestly might make it the superior choice as most folks run 5 man primaris squads

the ad mech transport though looks fine. if the Lemen Russ is a WW1 tank brought to 40K, the ad mech transport is a WW2 LCT brought into 40k.

BrianDavion wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
wow, so GW knocking it out of the park for the past year has finally come to an end! The admech and primaris vehicles look ghastly, the chaos knights look good but 40k doesn't really need more knights. My wallet thanks you GW!!

the repulsor seems... unnesscary yeah. (had they not given it a troop capacity and presented it as a pure tank, it woulda been fine, a predator to the repulsor's razoerback) but as it is, it seems unnesscary duplication. although given it's described as a "modest capcity" my bet is it can only carry 5 troops. which honestly might make it the superior choice as most folks run 5 man primaris squads

the ad mech transport though looks fine. if the Lemen Russ is a WW1 tank brought to 40K, the ad mech transport is a WW2 LCT brought into 40k.

i guess this is their land raider and the other is their land raider redeemer

 Latro_ wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
wow, so GW knocking it out of the park for the past year has finally come to an end! The admech and primaris vehicles look ghastly, the chaos knights look good but 40k doesn't really need more knights. My wallet thanks you GW!!

the repulsor seems... unnesscary yeah. (had they not given it a troop capacity and presented it as a pure tank, it woulda been fine, a predator to the repulsor's razoerback) but as it is, it seems unnesscary duplication. although given it's described as a "modest capcity" my bet is it can only carry 5 troops. which honestly might make it the superior choice as most folks run 5 man primaris squads

the ad mech transport though looks fine. if the Lemen Russ is a WW1 tank brought to 40K, the ad mech transport is a WW2 LCT brought into 40k.

i guess this is their land raider and the other is their land raider redeemer

could be. although what Primaris really need is a Rhino.. it's not BAD it's just... unasked for.

this does however confirm new primaris stuff is definatly inbound soonish

BrianDavion wrote:

the repulsor seems... unnesscary yeah. (had they not given it a troop capacity and presented it as a pure tank, it woulda been fine, a predator to the repulsor's razoerback) but as it is, it seems unnesscary duplication. although given it's described as a "modest capcity" my bet is it can only carry 5 troops. which honestly might make it the superior choice as most folks run 5 man primaris squads

My worry is that it is a confused design. A hard hitting anti-tank firepower is certainly something the Primaris line sorely lacks. However, in the pics the secondary weapons are onslaught cannon and heavy bolters. If it cannot have las in those slots like the regular Repulsor, then I don't think it will work as a proper anti-tank platform, I doubt one big gun would do the trick. Is the heavy laser destroyer an existing thing that has 8th edition rules somewhere?

Honestly the Chaos Knights makes sense to me - it's just an official release of an army that gamers already use right now. Only they have to convert the models and use the Imperial Codex; so GW doing a Chaos version using the same core of models and twisting the rules to be more "chaos themed" is a nice twist.


It also sets the ground nicely because chances are those Chaos Titans are the forerunners for Adepticus Titanicus variations being made!

I mean I'd kind of prefer it not to be asymmetrical. Why not just give us two versions of the main gun. I hate that minigun that's on the Primaris vehicles, all the bolt of crap notwithstanding.

 Crimson wrote:
Is the heavy laser destroyer an existing thing that has 8th edition rules somewhere?

The FW Destroyer Tank Hunter has a 'Heavy Laser Destroyer Array' while the Rapier Platform has a 'Laser Destroyer' .

 Gael Knight wrote:
I mean I'd kind of prefer it not to be asymmetrical. Why not just give us two versions of the main gun. I hate that minigun that's on the Primaris vehicles, all the bolt of crap notwithstanding.

It does look a lot better this way. It looks like an Apocalypse tank too. Just paint it dark grey and slap a hammer and sickle onto it.

I'm a massive C&C fan so it's probably my inner Apocalypse tank wanting out.

It just seems daft that they've made this thing another jack of all trades. Just make it a tank and let Primaris get in Land Raiders, or make a Land Raider with Grav if you want to sell new things GW.

The heavy las needs to be somewhat special to be a decent anti tank, it also cannot be d6shots etc. It needs to be longer range and a flat number of shots and then have either or a combination of:

*higher str than a lascannon
*better ap
*guaranteed damage such as d3 plus 3

Be interesting if there was an incentive to fire the Gatling onslaught cannon at the same target as the heavy las, such as tracer rounds. A hit from the onslaught allows the heavy las to ignore negative to hit modifiers. +1 to hit may be a bit too much so I’d prefer ignoring negative modifiers.

 Gael Knight wrote:
I mean I'd kind of prefer it not to be asymmetrical. Why not just give us two versions of the main gun. I hate that mini gun that's on the Primaris vehicles, all the bolt of crap notwithstanding.

That does look so much better I would have much preferred that. I would also love to have seen a dual plasma and Onslaught Gatling kit too.

MistaGav wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
I mean I'd kind of prefer it not to be asymmetrical. Why not just give us two versions of the main gun. I hate that mini gun that's on the Primaris vehicles, all the bolt of crap notwithstanding.

That does look so much better I would have much preferred that. I would also love to have seen a dual plasma and Onslaught Gatling kit too.

Maybe in another year, after they have sold a bunch of these, we’ll get the pure tank version of the repulsor.

On the whole, today's event was rather insipid and lacklustre, especially compared to the previous two years...

From beng forced to wait outside for 90 mins, whilst only sending the tea/coffee cart when it was 15 mins from entry, to the endless queing (to get into the building, then into the hall, then to get a wristband for a panel, then to enter the store area, ad nauseam). From the focus on content already released or imminent (and well and truly known about, especially compared to the amount of material shown at previous shows... or even the Open Day back in Jan - today's reveals were paltry - they could have at least shown the Necromunda Enforcers) to the staff's refusal to answer any question regarding Looncurse (despite its prominence even on the promo material and programme for the day, with precisly 0 copies for sale on the floor). A decent range of pod discussions (especially the one on Necromunda Lore by two of the core writers - lovely chaps in how they condicted the session) *but* hampered by the fact this was held in the busy shownroom and conducted without a microphone or speaker, so even only one row back I could only hear about about a thrd of the discussion - and that was with much effort and craning. The Science of Paint panel was very interesting, especially in light of the contrast line unveiling - but it is a sad state of affairs when the best part of the day was being able to purchase pre-release models.

Not a ringing endorsement, and I think this will be my last year unless they actively take feedback on board and improve. And yes, I will be submitting a detailed report of my experience to them.

I’m a little disappointed with the 40k releases though.

A converted marine tank
Converted chaos knights
Infantry trays
Skitari landing boat

I think some factions needed much more, primaris badly need just a decent melee unit.

I’ve also been waiting a long time for alternative hell blasters, with Melta, or heavy automatic bolt rifles (super heavy Bolter)

And finally the full vanguard kits.

Not to mention a new marine codex

However, it looks as if GW are heavily invested in the age of Sigmar chaos war and game thing so it’s understandable.

Yeah, at minimum I was expecting multipart versions of the Shadowspear Primaris and an updated codex.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, at minimum I was expecting multipart versions of the Shadowspear Primaris and an updated codex.

I'm surprised this wasn't a preview to be honest but it's common sense it's round the corner so to speak.

I think a big takeaway is that they're in a position where they can go and fill gaps in ranges. They can pop out a chos knight kit, some primaris anti tank or an admech transport. No need for a massive wave of stuff, just sprinkles for multiple armies which is nice.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly the Chaos Knights makes sense to me - it's just an official release of an army that gamers already use right now. Only they have to convert the models and use the Imperial Codex; so GW doing a Chaos version using the same core of models and twisting the rules to be more "chaos themed" is a nice twist.


It also sets the ground nicely because chances are those Chaos Titans are the forerunners for Adepticus Titanicus variations being made!

Only with a new gun so you have to buy again...