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 Nostromodamus wrote:
I kinda find it humorous that these Apocalypse army sets have so few models. “Play massive games!” and the classic horde armies have a dozen or less models

Bear in mind that this version of Apocalypse is shifting to activating Detachments at a time.

So I wonder why out of all the boxes the SM and CSM battalion boxes are not legal battalions.

Maybe Apocalypse detachments are treated like LOTR warbands for the sake of list building - one detachment consists of an HQ model and a certain number of models/units for each HQ you have.

could just be that they can't justify putting 2 HQs in a box. I mean it's a pretty impressive set up. the price'll be the big thing though. I got a hunch we're looking at dark imperium priceing. which is a decent deal. although I imagine everyone by now has all the primaris marines they need

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Just in time with the new paints to get all that grey taken care of.

Another nail in the old marines coffin as they get no bundles.

Drukhari didn't get any bundles either.
Nor did any of the non-Codex Chapters.
Oh man and I guess Custodes are gone too, they didn't get one!
Death Guard and Thousand Sons? No bundles, gone!


There's a Start Collecting Space Marines set that gives you old marines.

Thanks Kan , you missed the point as usual. Good job.

Who else thinks that the movement trays are going to sell better than any other product in this entire release.

cody.d. wrote:
Who else thinks that the movement trays are going to sell better than any other product in this entire release.

Depends on price, there are other companies that are already making clear movement trays.

Ughhh... because every eldar player is lacking cheap wraith units to buy on E-bay from the start collecting and wake the dead sets people have been re-selling....
However I guess the wake the dead exclusive spirit seer isn't that wake the dead exclusive after all.

 Argive wrote:
Ughhh... because every eldar player is lacking cheap wraith units to buy on E-bay from the start collecting and wake the dead sets people have been re-selling....

Well it was either them or another box full of plastic Guardians, Vyper Jetbikes and Dire Avengers. The Eldar range is very much lacking in plastics, with the greater majority of their Aspect Warriors still in FineCost.

It means that Eldar boxed sets fall into two categories: Guardians/Avengers/Wave Serpents/Vypers or Wraith Constructs.

 Argive wrote:
However I guess the wake the dead exclusive spirit seer isn't that wake the dead exclusive after all.

It was never going to be.

I've been planning on a second castellan for a while, and another pair of helverins will bring me up to 6. Hope my flags gets that box, I reserved it through them if they do. And 4 duneriders and a repulsor. Glad to have a bit more time to prepare my wallet for the pain than usual.

 Argive wrote:
Ughhh... because every eldar player is lacking cheap wraith units to buy on E-bay from the start collecting and wake the dead sets people have been re-selling....
However I guess the wake the dead exclusive spirit seer isn't that wake the dead exclusive after all.

There is no real exclusive models. They come later on own later anyway so boxes etc are only to sell discounted ones until they come separatedly later. Nobody should buy anything because it's exlusive because it isn't

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Ughhh... because every eldar player is lacking cheap wraith units to buy on E-bay from the start collecting and wake the dead sets people have been re-selling....

Well it was either them or another box full of plastic Guardians, Vyper Jetbikes and Dire Avengers. The Eldar range is very much lacking in plastics, with the greater majority of their Aspect Warriors still in FineCost.

It means that Eldar boxed sets fall into two categories: Guardians/Avengers/Wave Serpents/Vypers or Wraith Constructs.

 Argive wrote:
However I guess the wake the dead exclusive spirit seer isn't that wake the dead exclusive after all.

It was never going to be.

I thought I saw it somewhere when wake the dead was being sold. Very likely Im mistaken. I have not bought it because it had exclusive model in it but because I could sell all the marines and buy more stuff I wanted...

They could have used prisms/night spinners, walkers/planes...windriders, a knight even though they are terrible. I got the bladehost battleforce on a discount last years and it was very good value for money. Apart from the single vyper... lol

20 guardians and 10 dire avengers wouldn't have hurt as well to start people on a useable battalion.
Alternatively a big bundle of jetbikes plus a hemlock/hunter Literally any combination, that's not wraiths.. Don't get me wrong. I love wraiths.

Eldar have a lot of failcast but they also have numerous plastic kits...

I think the knight box looks the most useful.

A few of those bundles are a nice start for a force regardless of which version of the game you play, for that I'm grateful.


That said, time to say this: thanks for bringing Apocalypse back, now get superheavies, fliers, and Titans/Knights out of 40K proper. We need to get back to its roots as a smaller skirmish force battle.

Keep on pipe dreaming. They won't reduce potential sales for sakeof alternative short term rulesets. They won't go from 40k period. Better get used to it. It's over decade too late for that

I'm just hoping that rules get updated for the various titans. Those rules are horrid. Macro, void shields, it all needs torn down and reworked.

I'm still playing 3rd, I'll still get in a good game regardless of what GW does currently. If they want me buying and pushing the current ruleset, they'll dial it in. If they think disposable income equipped tweens can carry the game, they'll stay the course.

The only one that appeals to me is the CSM one, because, if the discount is good enough, then it's a great way to get a stack of the new CSM kits (and the exact amount I wanted to get).

Ancient bikes? Sure. Whatever. I can convert them into something else like I my current bikers are all 'Zerker Bikers using bits from the 'Zerker kit and FW.

What is it with Tau boxed sets? "Here's 6 Crisis Suits - we know everyone buys the Start Collecting when they get Fire Warriors and so probably has more Crisis Suits than they could ever field, but here's six more."

How about putting three Broadsides into a box set?

 John Prins wrote:
What is it with Tau boxed sets? "Here's 6 Crisis Suits - we know everyone buys the Start Collecting when they get Fire Warriors and so probably has more Crisis Suits than they could ever field, but here's six more."

How about putting three Broadsides into a box set?

Because it is fluffy? They probably don't bear on the assumption people run MSU.

 Theophony wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Just in time with the new paints to get all that grey taken care of.

Another nail in the old marines coffin as they get no bundles.

Drukhari didn't get any bundles either.
Nor did any of the non-Codex Chapters.
Oh man and I guess Custodes are gone too, they didn't get one!
Death Guard and Thousand Sons? No bundles, gone!


There's a Start Collecting Space Marines set that gives you old marines.

Thanks Kan , you missed the point as usual. Good job.

You had a point? Where?

So far the biggest surprise with this Apoc release is that the only new kits associated with it are standard vehicles, not new super-heavies. No, a repackaged Baneblade kit doesn't count as new

In my wildest dreams they would repackage the Stompa with an additional sprue packed with options, but I really doubt that will happen.

Oh and while I'm thinking of it:

So much for every army getting a big thing.

[EDIT]: Also, weren't GW done with specific tie-in fiction realises?

If the rules for stompas are decent it could encourage me to buy that extra stompa i've been wanting for conversion fun.

I suppose you could always make a stompa from the ork box. Voltron style!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh and while I'm thinking of it:

So much for every army getting a big thing.

[EDIT]: Also, weren't GW done with specific tie-in fiction realises?

Maybe they'll be releasing more boxed sets and new kits down the road?

Could I finally get FW rules for my Ordinatus Sagittar?

The £300 model that’s been gathering dust for a long time now?

Probably not. But I might,

Am I the only one that thought this was satire of the state of 8th edition? It's a card game, great.... movement trays are fine. I guess.



Was anyone really not already playing "apoc" in 8th? Was there a lack of knights and super heavies out there?

The video didn't help much IMO.

cruddace (parahprasing) : "it'll play faster at whatnot" People seem to pride the absurd scale and length of their apoc games or events, not sure why that's a selling point for a game with a big model count is that it will play faster... great... same logistics but it plays like kill team, super. -heavy sigh-

other dude (parahprasing): "and you can play wif all ur models" Because that was somehow a problem for anyone in 8th edition? This is some big liberation from the edition where army composition is just beyond silly from a baseline?

Last point... 4 giant stacks of cards. I don't want to see another card ever again. The cards soured me from kill team, if I have to ever buy a pack of cards for 30k I'll check myself into the psych ward. This is already giving me flashbacks to the month long shelf life of psychic decks.

Except just slapping 10k worth of 40k models with 40k rules does not generate big battle feel.

tneva82 wrote:
Except just slapping 10k worth of 40k models with 40k rules does not generate big battle feel.

the system would break down, ahrd at that scale

 Crablezworth wrote:



Am I the only one that thought this was satire of the state of 8th edition? It's a card game, great.... movement trays are fine. I guess.



Was anyone really not already playing "apoc" in 8th? Was there a lack of knights and super heavies out there?

The video didn't help much IMO.

cruddace (parahprasing) : "it'll play faster at whatnot" People seem to pride the absurd scale and length of their apoc games or events, not sure why that's a selling point for a game with a big model count is that it will play faster... great... same logistics but it plays like kill team, super. -heavy sigh-

other dude (parahprasing): "and you can play wif all ur models" Because that was somehow a problem for anyone in 8th edition? This is some big liberation from the edition where army composition is just beyond silly from a baseline?

Last point... 4 giant stacks of cards. I don't want to see another card ever again. The cards soured me from kill team, if I have to ever buy a pack of cards for 30k I'll check myself into the psych ward. This is already giving me flashbacks to the month long shelf life of psychic decks.

Same here.

I kind liked cards for psychic powers but that's about it.
Too much is too much, and these cards will be trashed when the next edition rolls out, like they did before.
40K (or WFB for that matter) had cards, but remained models based games.
Not so sure now.
And I never, ever played a card game, and do non plan to do so,
I think Apocalypse is not for me like I stayed out of Kill Team for the same reason.

tneva82 wrote:
Except just slapping 10k worth of 40k models with 40k rules does not generate big battle feel.

Well, having truckloads of miniatures crammed like lice on a dog's back in a regular table doesn't exactly help in that regard either; it kinda looks like maybe the center of a big melee, instead of an actual battle.

Also, kind of ridiculous.