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PP work on a new Game.



What do you People think about this?

So this is a real thing that's actually happening? I guess some of the models could be cool.

Curious to see some pictures...

So, are they making this the new focus since sales for the old game have plummeted? Shades of Age of Sigmar.

I am interested in seeing what they will produce.. but never reference your competitor in your advertisements..

The graphics do look rather cheap. I guess this is what ends up messing a lot of the smaller competition, lack of skill/budget to make the thing look legit.

“Warcaster”, but no magic?

Valete,

JohnS

I only hope they overcome the ‘WHY ARE THE LEGS SO TINY’ aesthetic.

I get I may very well be in a minority on that, but it’s always bugged me. Why bothering knacking the machine, when you could just push it over?

Wait, what.

I'll admit I've not followed the Twitch link however this really looks like a hoax to me, I think? 'Grimdark', '40k style' and 'Age of...' seem a bit on the nose. Somebody is trolling the Warmahordes community, surely? On the other hand, good luck if this turns out to be real! :O

Take all of this with a grain of salt as to the specifics.

But if they're so brazenly following 40k with not even their own more interesting take, well, that's a big sign that the new CEO is making some big changes.

I do like a lot of the ideas for Warmachine 5k as presented, but they should not try to chase too closely on the coat tails of 40k to do so.

Should have made it 4000 years in the future so it could be WM4K

I also thought it sounded like a hoax, but the source is from PP themselves right? The cheap graphics and the nature of what they are doing (copying the WFB End Times plotline, making a new "Age of" thing, and copying 40K) seem so outlandish and weird that it feels like trolling.

Do we know why the sales/interest in warmachine and Hordes simply vanished so fast?

This new direction seems like PP is in panic mode.

In my area it was the release of Mk3, it just collapsed entirely. Local shop sold off all their stock, can barely find PP stuff nowadays even in other cities.

Could this be a counter-move?

GW took in their No Quarter editor to run White Dwarf, so they decided to take 40k's schtick in return?

 Da Boss wrote:
In my area it was the release of Mk3, it just collapsed entirely. Local shop sold off all their stock, can barely find PP stuff nowadays even in other cities.

At salute this year PP stuff was on heavy discount bins and still not moving… Was this a case of PP starters with horrible materials, overall high prices and GW actually making a kill.

I just find it weird that it was such a quick shift from good game to no one cares.

Yeah, I was shocked too. I started in Mk1 when it was pretty new, definitely new in Dublin, and only really dropped out a few years ago when I moved country and my models all got broken. Last year I finally repair them all and went looking to see what the local scene was like and it was a total wasteland.

Seems like a bunch of poor decisions one after another combined with really ridiculous pricing (I always felt PP got off too lightly in the pricing arguments, per model they were ludicrous) and a shift to a new edition where it was much more "build this entire army to this specific theme" than the previous "pick up whatever models you like, and run them with this warlock. Want a new playstyle? Buy 1 new warlock and you are done." At the same time they shut down their forums, stopped communicating with fans as much and just seemed to compound errors. This unfortunately happened for them at the same time that GW was starting to release stuff people actually wanted to buy, and it seems to have eviscerated them except for among their dedicated fanbase.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
In my area it was the release of Mk3, it just collapsed entirely. Local shop sold off all their stock, can barely find PP stuff nowadays even in other cities.

At salute this year PP stuff was on heavy discount bins and still not moving… Was this a case of PP starters with horrible materials, overall high prices and GW actually making a kill.

I just find it weird that it was such a quick shift from good game to no one cares.

I live in St. Louis, Missouri, home to Miniaturemarket and multiple game stores. The rules for Mk III killed the game, along with PP trying to be like GW in limiting retailers discounts, material woes and GW knocking the ball out of the park with games like Shadespire and a resurgence in AOS. The big discount dump at Miniaturemarket came when PP moved warehouses and sold stuff for dirt cheap. I don’t know if they massively overestimated sales and had the inventory, or if the rules just killed it, but I don’t see much life left in it. I still see games at the FLGS, but way more games of AT, Shadespire/NightVault and AoS happening on the tables and on the events calendar.

 Scrub wrote:
I'll admit I've not followed the Twitch link however this really looks like a hoax to me, I think? 'Grimdark', '40k style' and 'Age of...' seem a bit on the nose. Somebody is trolling the Warmahordes community, surely? On the other hand, good luck if this turns out to be real! :O

I thought similar, but I watched the twitch video and it’s real. They didn’t mention 40k style or anything like that themselves though (from what I remember), that’s just whoever wrote that up adding that.

Why did MKIII kill the game ? I had 150 point Ashlynn theme force under mkii that suddenly wasn’t usable. PP sold a ton of new mkiii card decks then decided to make print on demand cards free within a few months. Retailers were short on the new starters and new rulebooks. The much lauded play testing looked to have actually been a bunch of hyper PP fans sucking up to the dev team and suggesting the game was perfect. Introducing pre measure removed some skill from the game and lengthened casual play.

I don't think Mk3 really killed the game. I think is was dying before then. New players weren't coming in and old players were all fickle power gamers. Most of them never painted their models and often didn't even bother buying the models and just using proxies half the time. Mk3 pissed off the old players, but WMH could've survived if there were literally any players other than old players. Mk3 was just a catalyst that sped up the inevitable. We all saw it coming.

I like what WMH is doing now, for the most part, like the Oblivion narrative expansion, but I think the game is still limited by a bunch of awful legacy models, legacy rules, and those few old guard sticking around preventing the game from being something simpler and broader. I'm kind of happy though, since I'm not sure we'd be getting Monsterpocalypse if WMH was still doing as well as it used to.

Warcasters is a chance for PP to go back to what made WMH interesting in the first place. Fewer models, more streamlined rules, more focused on jacks and warcasters. They have an opportunity to drop the streamroller obsession and create a game that new players don't have to lose their first 50 games of and buy specific combinations of models just to not get laughed off the table. Hell, I think the smartest thing PP can do with the new game is to wholesale "borrow" GW's Three Ways to Play - a new pg5 declaration that the game doesn't revolve around tournament-style players.

So, I'm actually kind of excited for Warcasters. I see it as an opportunity to finally get the WMH game that I wanted (and initially had with Mk1). Maybe 5 years later, it'll turn out like WMH again, because I'm not sure PP can help themselves, but for those first 5 years, it'll be pretty awesome.

Da Boss wrote:Yeah, I was shocked too. I started in Mk1 when it was pretty new, definitely new in Dublin, and only really dropped out a few years ago when I moved country and my models all got broken. Last year I finally repair them all and went looking to see what the local scene was like and it was a total wasteland.

Seems like a bunch of poor decisions one after another combined with really ridiculous pricing (I always felt PP got off too lightly in the pricing arguments, per model they were ludicrous) and a shift to a new edition where it was much more "build this entire army to this specific theme" than the previous "pick up whatever models you like, and run them with this warlock. Want a new playstyle? Buy 1 new warlock and you are done." At the same time they shut down their forums, stopped communicating with fans as much and just seemed to compound errors. This unfortunately happened for them at the same time that GW was starting to release stuff people actually wanted to buy, and it seems to have eviscerated them except for among their dedicated fanbase.

I totally forgot about that forums closed and no communication. Wow that was really poor. No wonder no buzz around it anymore. This was a lot about tight rules and games more than nice minis to paint, so if they dropped the ball with the ruleset they will be in a world of pain.

Theophony wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
In my area it was the release of Mk3, it just collapsed entirely. Local shop sold off all their stock, can barely find PP stuff nowadays even in other cities.

At salute this year PP stuff was on heavy discount bins and still not moving… Was this a case of PP starters with horrible materials, overall high prices and GW actually making a kill.

I just find it weird that it was such a quick shift from good game to no one cares.

I live in St. Louis, Missouri, home to Miniaturemarket and multiple game stores. The rules for Mk III killed the game, along with PP trying to be like GW in limiting retailers discounts, material woes and GW knocking the ball out of the park with games like Shadespire and a resurgence in AOS. The big discount dump at Miniaturemarket came when PP moved warehouses and sold stuff for dirt cheap. I don’t know if they massively overestimated sales and had the inventory, or if the rules just killed it, but I don’t see much life left in it. I still see games at the FLGS, but way more games of AT, Shadespire/NightVault and AoS happening on the tables and on the events calendar.

It begs the question is there any good faith left for people to pick up this new game?
Screw up with retailers and your clients does not seem the right way to go about this.

I haven’t seen anyone play warmahordes in years at the local game store.

Warmahordes has gone from being the only real competitor to 40k/warhammer to a footnote. Their models have not evolved since the original release (sculpt style, level of detail, etc).

It seems like even for folks who liked the aesthetic the move to v3 killed things, in my are at least.

Either/Or wrote:
I haven’t seen anyone play warmahordes in years at the local game store.

Warmahordes has gone from being the only real competitor to 40k/warhammer to a footnote. Their models have not evolved since the original release (sculpt style, level of detail, etc).

It seems like even for folks who liked the aesthetic the move to v3 killed things, in my are at least.

I disagree about the sculpts, they’ve got a lot better since the start in my opinion.

PP taking the piss while jumping the shark...

So this isn't some odd joke? It's real? I know it's a bit late to ask but.. It's just hard to take in.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
So this isn't some odd joke? It's real? I know it's a bit late to ask but.. It's just hard to take in.

Yeah it’s real.

@NAVARRO, I think it’s a trend of the times, so many new systems popping up every year, but nothing will get to GW level as close as this did. Games need development time and checking before hitting the market, otherwise they quickly go to a second edition to fix problems and people have already gotten fed up with those problems or feel their army gets scuttled after the edition rewrite and have to shell out more for new booms and accessories. I know that’s what’s killed two skirmish games for myself. I’ve built entire range of products for two warband a and to play the new edition I need to rebuy the core rules, new cards (for all the clans because of crossover and knowing your opponents) and in one case new dice. I don’t mind an evolving system, but I’m against one that invalidates the previous one.

GW gets away with it because older models are still viable (though the new ones are better) and wherever you go most game stores will have people to play against.

How the mighty have fallen.