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love the auto perils strat too... this codex already looks pretty strong

Weird question, but dose the knight descrator looks like it has a neutron weapon to anyone else? Because if I can slap two of thows onto a knight like a avenger cannons, that will be disgusting. :x

Where are you seeing the auto-perils strat? Which household is it? Am I blind or is it no longer on the preview?

 BrookM wrote:

Do I spy new lost and the damned Icon bearer? Other two look like DV minis, but the banna wava looks new...

I'd caution about reading TOOOOOOOOOO much into that but yeah, yet more circumstancial evidance for L&D being a thing

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd caution about reading TOOOOOOOOOO much into that but yeah, yet more circumstancial evidance for L&D being a thing

Codex: L&D confirmed.

Demon Surge on an infernal knight Tyrant (Valiant) is so awesome. I march forward turn 1 with T9, good luck trying to kill me. Then turn 2, I activate infernal power to give my Confrag cannon +1 str and +1 wound... and it autohits! lol. The carnage! lol.

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd caution about reading TOOOOOOOOOO much into that but yeah, yet more circumstancial evidance for L&D being a thing

I think it's a good sign of things to come.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd caution about reading TOOOOOOOOOO much into that but yeah, yet more circumstancial evidance for L&D being a thing

I think it's a good sign of things to come.

I'm trying not to get too hyped about it, sadly as much as I'm happy to see it I don't think I can afford another army. especially with GW coming out with new space marine toys as often as they do

So far it reads a little like it's doing everything regular Imperial Knights do, but better. I do wonder what the actual downsides of going Chaos over Imperial will be.

You know, besides going mad and damning your soul and such.

 Redemption wrote:
So far it reads a little like it's doing everything regular Imperial Knights do, but better. I do wonder what the actual downsides of going Chaos over Imperial will be.

You know, besides going mad and damning your soul and such.

Relic of Lost Cadia?




But seriously? Why would there be a downside? What's the downside of regular Knights over other heavy support or LoW stuff from Codexes that came out earlier (say ... Wraithknights). The Knights Codex last summer was the most egregious power-creep jump in the edition thus far. I fully expect this to be the next one.

The cultist with the banner looks very similar to the now squat'ed R&H Militia upgrade; the gasmask, the cannister on his back, the chestplate.

Part of me wants to jump up and down going, "They never put out prominent artwork of stuff there isn't an existing model for these days" which given the two Cultists in the corners are identical to the two you can current buy, does give me hope. However it could also be that since R&H models actually existed, they were allowed to base the banner bearer off that... but something tells me that wouldn't get past the QA stage.

So yeah, get hype?

I'm firmly in the "they don't do art of non-models anymore" camp. This was demonstrated with the venomcrawler and Achilles ridgerunner in the last few months.

 mould2k wrote:
I'm firmly in the "they don't do art of non-models anymore" camp. This was demonstrated with the venomcrawler and Achilles ridgerunner in the last few months.

I guess the question is whether models out of production like Renegades and Heretics count as non-models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd caution about reading TOOOOOOOOOO much into that but yeah, yet more circumstancial evidance for L&D being a thing

I think it's a good sign of things to come.

People thought that when they saw Slaanesh mortals in an AoS picture.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
So far it reads a little like it's doing everything regular Imperial Knights do, but better. I do wonder what the actual downsides of going Chaos over Imperial will be.

You know, besides going mad and damning your soul and such.

Relic of Lost Cadia?




But seriously? Why would there be a downside? What's the downside of regular Knights over other heavy support or LoW stuff from Codexes that came out earlier (say ... Wraithknights). The Knights Codex last summer was the most egregious power-creep jump in the edition thus far. I fully expect this to be the next one.

We haven't seen the points though. If you add in spike tax then it would probably turn out "fair"*


*whatever the actual feth that means for GW standarts, but he they need to sell you CA.

 Redemption wrote:
So far it reads a little like it's doing everything regular Imperial Knights do, but better. I do wonder what the actual downsides of going Chaos over Imperial will be.

Imperial Space Marines get W2 A2, Chaos Space Marines get W1 A1.

 XT-1984 wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
So far it reads a little like it's doing everything regular Imperial Knights do, but better. I do wonder what the actual downsides of going Chaos over Imperial will be.

Imperial Space Marines get W2 A2, Chaos Space Marines get W1 A1.

Imperial Space marines are also W1/A1 for some dumb reason. It's just that Chaos don't have Primaris equivalents.

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 Galef wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
So far it reads a little like it's doing everything regular Imperial Knights do, but better. I do wonder what the actual downsides of going Chaos over Imperial will be.

Imperial Space Marines get W2 A2, Chaos Space Marines get W1 A1.

Imperial Space marines are also W1/A1 for some dumb reason. It's just that Chaos don't have Primaris equivalents.

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Paraphrasing GW's words the Primaris were meant to"balance" out Chaos having possessed, deathguard, thousand sons, and all the other elite infantry choices. Not that chaos needed that. And it obviously isn't meant as a direct mirror of those units.

 Ysclyth wrote:
Where are you seeing the auto-perils strat? Which household is it? Am I blind or is it no longer on the preview?

Chaos Knight sprues:








Less options but it looks to be fully compatible with normie Knights.

 XT-1984 wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
So far it reads a little like it's doing everything regular Imperial Knights do, but better. I do wonder what the actual downsides of going Chaos over Imperial will be.

Imperial Space Marines get W2 A2, Chaos Space Marines get W1 A1.

Sounds fair.

 Redemption wrote:
So far it reads a little like it's doing everything regular Imperial Knights do, but better. I do wonder what the actual downsides of going Chaos over Imperial will be.

You know, besides going mad and damning your soul and such.

Assuming there strats and wargear are roughly equivilent its IMO really down to there soup options.

Sotahullu wrote:
Chaos Knight sprues:

Spoiler:

Less options but it looks to be fully compatible with normie Knights.

They've said it's compatible with the normal Knights. I wouldn't be shocked if this sprue is also in there, explaining some of the missing stuff:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Chaos Knight sprues:

Spoiler:

Less options but it looks to be fully compatible with normie Knights.

They've said it's compatible with the normal Knights. I wouldn't be shocked if this sprue is also in there, explaining some of the missing stuff:

Spoiler:

What parts on that sprue are missing from the three showen? (besides weapon options) GW still sells a paladin/Errant box that's cheaper and with out that sprue for example. Prob in a year we will get a upgrade sprue for the chaos knight giveing us the other weapons. Like the loyalists did. Tho it would be nice if GW started selling that upgrade sprue on it's own with the release of the chaos knights just so we can get the avenger cannon and top mounts

Kan is probably right. I seem to recall GW confirming that Chaos Knights would have the option for double fists/claws. And the current Imperial Knight kit has what, 5 sprues in it now?

What are people's thoughts on running a knight tyrant (Valliant) as iconoclast with vow of dominance and the 4++ relic? I've always wanted to make them work as I think they're the most chaos a knight can get (mega flamer and ahab spear, yes please), but found them too easy to zone out and shoot down before they get stuck in.

Thinking of running 2 rampagers and one valliant alongside some red cosairs for cp.

New article ...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/05/chaos-knights-3-builds-for-your-matched-play-armygw-homepage-post-2/

Chaos Valiant down to 500 points?




Anti-Invul fun ..

First, what the heck is a Command Asset? Is this something from Apocalypse? They refer to 'Trail of Destruction' as a stratagem, but I suspect they either posted the wrong rule set or got something mixed up.

Turning off invulnerable saves is pretty darn awesome. And if they take Valiant's down to 500 points I might be tempted to use one. Or not, I still think they are too short ranged, slow, and vulnerable to melee.

Tyrant is listed as 600 points in the article, not sure why it is 6 points more than Valliant?