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 Ghaz wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Necrons have
ALL their named characters,
Flayed Ones
At least one generic lord
Some of the destroyer upgrades

We still also have the Cryptek in resin (the Cryptek with Canoptek Cloak is a cryptek with a specific piece of wargear).

I know it's counted in our 'named characters' technically, but don't forget the two Ctan too. Both big chunky finecast models.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

I think you forgot a couple, namely;

Ghazghkull Thraka
Warboss with Big Choppa (metal)
Snikrot
Badrukk
Weirdboy
Zagstruk
Mad Dok Grotsnik
Nob with WAAAGGHHH Banner

Mostly special characters to be fair but the Weirdboy, lack of MA Warboss/Ghazzy and lack of generic warboss are strange, in addition to the Kommandos and Tankbustas you've already mentioned.

Ack you're right! I meant to put "all those characters" into a catch all in the list and forgot!

That said characters is a big issue because they were always metal because they were limited production options beyond the expected volume for plastic. So investing into them is a bigger "cost" for GW in terms of recouping investments. Since for things like troops they can hope to see multiple copies to the same person. Of course GW is much larger today and so this might be a moot point in terms of covering costs and is purely a case of finding enough investment money to do so many sculpts.

Personally I hope they focus on the troops and such. Get all the "generic" units off finecast and leave it the sole domain of characters where GW can steadily clean them up over time

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rear chunk sweeps downward, covering the engine. Ravager/Raider doesn’t have that.

Ah I see it now! The Raider doesn't have the curved rear bladey bits at all. Thanks for the clarification! It does look a lot like the Reaper (was it?) that you posted but the rear blades are larger.

I have a Reaper, it looks very similar to one, a few libities on the details but thats it, still hase the huge Vortex Projector on the front, the large scythe vane underneath that gun and the large scythe blades at the rear. Would not be the first time we've seen an artist take liberties with minor details (the White Scars Landspeeder speculation was only a few months ago now).


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 Marshal Loss wrote:

Bharring wrote:
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It's not a simple story of "He was too brutal and so they shunned him". He didn't simply get kicked out. He wasn't strong enough. He lost in a duel to one of his students (Karrandas). To date, the only Phoenix Lord I know of that couldn't cut it and was replaced.

Where is this story featured? My recollection is that the only time Karandras and Arhra fought Karandras was not able to defeat him and so instead goaded him into a killing rage before retreating.

Nowhere, Bharring is wrong on this. As far as I can tell the only bits of info on Arhra/Drazhar are the 17 day duel with Karandras that ended with Karandras running away and Drazhar/Arhra going on a rampage killing other Incubi, and a very old stroy of how he fell to Chaos, summoned Daemons into the Temple of Asur, destroying it, and defeated the other Phoenix Lords before escaping into the webway. At no point has Karandras faught and defeated Arhra.

GW said that mysteries would be revealed. Maybe they'll reveal who Arhra is/where he is/etc.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
GW said that mysteries would be revealed. Maybe they'll reveal who Arhra is/where he is/etc.

the cynic in me expects the mysteries revealed will be stuff like "where is *X* Primarch" which will be answered with "returned from Y. he's now avaliable for sale!"

BrianDavion wrote:
the cynic in me expects the mysteries revealed will be stuff like "where is *X* Primarch" which will be answered with "returned from Y. he's now avaliable for sale!"

That's not cynical enough. The reveal won't be "On sale now". The reveal will be a 20 second YouTube video showing off parts of a mini in the dark with a "Coming Soon" tag at the end.

Uhhh do incubi usually have guns? The top left one has a pistol he's shooting at a banshee with.

nagash42 wrote:
Uhhh do incubi usually have guns? The top left one has a pistol he's shooting at a banshee with.

Way back in 3rd they could have shredders and blasters. Neither of which were good options, but they did have ranged weapons.

 ScarletRose wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
Uhhh do incubi usually have guns? The top left one has a pistol he's shooting at a banshee with.

Way back in 3rd they could have shredders and blasters. Neither of which were good options, but they did have ranged weapons.

Don't forget they also had the equivalent of a splinter pistol mounted in their helmet.

 Overread wrote:

Orks have
Kommandoes
Tank Bustas
Deffkopta which is actually still in metal

In theory GW could combine the two troops into a single duel kit and replace the kopta with a new plastic variation. Another "small" (in terms of numbers) fix; even if GW used individual kits for them its still only 3 new kits required.

Thrakka, Grotznik, Snirkot, Badrukk, Zagstrukk, Banner Nob, Warboss with BC and Weirdboy are also finecast. I think orks would rather have those character updated than our "boyz with additional bits" kits.

I'm pretty excited to see new artwork, really cool that it's a classic DE vs Craftworld feud that used to be the fluff pre-6th edition.

Hoping for a boxset, I'd snap that up pretty damn quick.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Bharring wrote:
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It's not a simple story of "He was too brutal and so they shunned him". He didn't simply get kicked out. He wasn't strong enough. He lost in a duel to one of his students (Karrandas). To date, the only Phoenix Lord I know of that couldn't cut it and was replaced.

Where is this story featured? My recollection is that the only time Karandras and Arhra fought Karandras was not able to defeat him and so instead goaded him into a killing rage before retreating.

To my knowledge all that's happened in terms of Arhra V Karandras is they fought in a ruined Craftworld and Karandras couldn't win outright so he spent 2 1/2 weeks annoying Arhra then vanished as he killed all of his students.

Arhra wasn't really kicked out either. He straight up went traitor and brought Chaos to Asur so the Phoenix Lords had to flee and lost their base. Karandras just took his place and created the Scorpions out of whatever Arha. Incubii have a story about their founder where he got corrupted and had his students butcher him to purge the weakness IIRC. So piecing it together Arhra brought Chaos to Asur, returned to his shrine and was killed by his students and at some point someone donned his armour to become Drahzar.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Orks have
Kommandoes
Tank Bustas
Deffkopta which is actually still in metal

In theory GW could combine the two troops into a single duel kit and replace the kopta with a new plastic variation. Another "small" (in terms of numbers) fix; even if GW used individual kits for them its still only 3 new kits required.

Thrakka, Grotznik, Snirkot, Badrukk, Zagstrukk, Banner Nob, Warboss with BC and Weirdboy are also finecast. I think orks would rather have those character updated than our "boyz with additional bits" kits.

Huh. I can't actually imagine prioritizing characters over units. A single model is a lot easier to kit bash or just deal with a different material (and it helps that the metal/finecast characters are several price rises behind, so are less than $20 rather than $30-35 for a single model that many new characters launch at).


But holes in the unit lineup are more difficult to deal with. Especially for something like Kommandos, which should never just look like boys with additional bits on. They've got a distinct look.

Voss wrote:
But holes in the unit lineup are more difficult to deal with. Especially for something like Kommandos, which should never just look like boys with additional bits on. They've got a distinct look.

Wat?

They literally have never been anything else. Kommadoz used to be an upgrade kit for the current ork boyz. Warbikers, burnas, lootas and spanners are indistinguishable from regular boyz if you leave the extra gear off. They are the very same model!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ork-Kommandos-2018
The difference between a regular boy and a kommando is a bag-pack and a gas mask. You can get almost all of those choppas and sluggas from the boyz box, the only truly unique sculpts is the nob.

Meanwhile, most of our unique characters have unique poses, gear and other bits. Kit-bashing them is impossible for most of them unless you start scratch-building stuff. All of them a prior metal models, so the fine-cast versions tend to be badly damaged or out of shape.

 Jidmah wrote:

Voss wrote:
But holes in the unit lineup are more difficult to deal with. Especially for something like Kommandos, which should never just look like boys with additional bits on. They've got a distinct look.

Wat?

They literally have never been anything else. Kommadoz used to be an upgrade kit for the current ork boyz. Warbikers, burnas, lootas and spanners are indistinguishable from regular boyz if you leave the extra gear off. They are the very same model!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ork-Kommandos-2018
The difference between a regular boy and a kommando is a bag-pack and a gas mask. You can get almost all of those choppas and sluggas from the boyz box, the only truly unique sculpts is the nob.

Meanwhile, most of our unique characters have unique poses, gear and other bits. Kit-bashing them is impossible for most of them unless you start scratch-building stuff. All of them a prior metal models, so the fine-cast versions tend to be badly damaged or out of shape.

Just paint em purple lad.

 Jidmah wrote:

Voss wrote:
But holes in the unit lineup are more difficult to deal with. Especially for something like Kommandos, which should never just look like boys with additional bits on. They've got a distinct look.

Wat?

They literally have never been anything else. Kommadoz used to be an upgrade kit for the current ork boyz. Warbikers, burnas, lootas and spanners are indistinguishable from regular boyz if you leave the extra gear off. They are the very same model!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ork-Kommandos-2018
The difference between a regular boy and a kommando is a bag-pack and a gas mask. You can get almost all of those choppas and sluggas from the boyz box, the only truly unique sculpts is the nob.

Meanwhile, most of our unique characters have unique poses, gear and other bits. Kit-bashing them is impossible for most of them unless you start scratch-building stuff. All of them a prior metal models, so the fine-cast versions tend to be badly damaged or out of shape.

Fingers crossed for an awesome BSF expansion with Orks, then?

Voss wrote:
Huh. I can't actually imagine prioritizing characters over units. A single model is a lot easier to kit bash or just deal with a different material (and it helps that the metal/finecast characters are several price rises behind, so are less than $20 rather than $30-35 for a single model that many new characters launch at).

They are also not plastics so don't have plastic hero tax. We have GW's fixation to plastic to thank for expensive character models.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My guess is Jain and Drazhar show up, fight, and then Fulgrim shows up as the Phoenix

I know it's sacrilegious but maybe this part is just Eldar vs Eldar release and actually no marines show up.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My guess is Jain and Drazhar show up, fight, and then Fulgrim shows up as the Phoenix

I know it's sacrilegious but maybe this part is just Eldar vs Eldar release and actually no marines show up.

One can only hope eh?

 Shadenuat wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My guess is Jain and Drazhar show up, fight, and then Fulgrim shows up as the Phoenix

I know it's sacrilegious but maybe this part is just Eldar vs Eldar release and actually no marines show up.

I will be shocked if the total amount of models released for all other factions combined matches that for the main Marine subfaction and all its sub-sub factions

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Huh. I can't actually imagine prioritizing characters over units. A single model is a lot easier to kit bash or just deal with a different material (and it helps that the metal/finecast characters are several price rises behind, so are less than $20 rather than $30-35 for a single model that many new characters launch at).

They are also not plastics so don't have plastic hero tax. We have GW's fixation to plastic to thank for expensive character models.

No we don't. They just set their prices for character models high, largely because customers still keep buying after every price hike.
It has nothing to do with the material.

Phoenixbowl art was removed from art site. Seems like manager screwed up and uploaded it too early? Mystary.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My guess is Jain and Drazhar show up, fight, and then Fulgrim shows up as the Phoenix

I know it's sacrilegious but maybe this part is just Eldar vs Eldar release and actually no marines show up.

Given what we "see" (extrapolated from the things garnered from the map files uncovered), paired with what I think still is a focus on pushing out some Finecast-replacement plastics, I think we see at least some Blood Angels characters. In fact, a quick look on the GW site says that almost all the Blood Angels (unique) characters are not plastic and some are quite old sculpts. While that isn't evidence of anything, in itself, I consider it still plausible that the main thrust of all this will be to get some-to-most of the Finecast stuff out of the line and replaced with plastics.

 H wrote:

Given what we "see" (extrapolated from the things garnered from the map files uncovered), paired with what I think still is a focus on pushing out some Finecast-replacement plastics, I think we see at least some Blood Angels characters. In fact, a quick look on the GW site says that almost all the Blood Angels (unique) characters are not plastic and some are quite old sculpts. While that isn't evidence of anything, in itself, I consider it still plausible that the main thrust of all this will be to get some-to-most of the Finecast stuff out of the line and replaced with plastics.

This isn't supposed to be a one and done.

"Phoenix Rising" is the first of the campaigns. It appears to be Aeldari in nature.

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't supposed to be a one and done.

"Phoenix Rising" is the first of the campaigns. It appears to be Aeldari in nature.

I know. I'm not sure what you are refuting in my statement. I am only saying that, in my opinion, the main thrust of "Psychic Awakening" from a miniatures standpoint, is to get models in the plastic that were not before. I know that the "Phoenix Rising" part, so far, is seemingly Eldar focused.

What I was getting at was that it seems, to me, to be really unlikely that there are no Marines to be had in Psychic Awakening and that Blood Angels seem, to me, to be very likely to get some character models somewhere along the line. Which is exactly intended as an acknowledgement that this is a multi-stage, multi-part, multiple faction "campaign." I guess I wasn't clear enough in stating that though.

I am not sure what are you refuting in mine, since I also said "this part", not the whole campaign.

I am going to bet that next part would be Black Templars in fact.

I keep wondering what the Thousand Sons are going to get out of all this. Hopefully it's something to help prevent Magnus from getting tabled on the first turn.

 Shadenuat wrote:
I am not sure what are you refuting in mine, since I also said "this part", not the whole campaign.

I am going to bet that next part would be Black Templars in fact.

Well, actually, that was just a failure of reading comprehension on my part.

I can see Black Templars as probable as well. If Pheonix Rising is an Eldar vs. Eldar part, I could imagine there being good reason to shift back to Marine vs. something for the next part, to which the whole Black Templar vs. Orks rumor (both factions having Finecast stuff still in the line) makes a good bit of sense.

Brian888 wrote:
I keep wondering what the Thousand Sons are going to get out of all this. Hopefully it's something to help prevent Magnus from getting tabled on the first turn.

There's still a Chaos Sorcerer backpack vent from the rumour engine to be revealed, but given the generic sorcerer is finecrap, I don't think it'll be for thousand sons specifically. Maybe they'll get an actual marine based unit with some luck, or something to boost the rubrics?

There's so many threads now with all the new stuff that I can't remember which thread or who posted it, but I REALLY like the idea that the first part of the campaign is Eldar vs Dark Eldar fighting over the future of their species, then the next campaign has Fulgrim returning to take advantage of the mayhem and the Aeldari having to unite against him and his EC's

It could kill several birds with 1 campaign. It's and excuse to release several MUCH NEEDED plastic revamps for both CWE and DE, then you bleed it into an EC release with Fulgrim, plastic Noise Marines & maybe Lucius and Fabius Bile kits.
It would be a very efficient way to all but get rid of every remaining fine cast model left.

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