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Whilst these things might be nice we have to acknowledge the reality that "bonus points" don't mean gak to GW, nor should they. No one really believes Phoenix Rising is going to sell as well as BA or SW campaign book. It is what it is.

I'm not so sure you're right about Ghaz. Whilst he is the Ork Primarch equivalent I don't think he'll actually be Primarch level so to speak. Remember Abaddon was supposed to be so huge and so similar to Horus that even Heresy era CSM who have seen Primarchs irl think he's a clone.
Yet when he released he was a head shorter than Guilliman and both Calgar and Sigismund have lost to him but in ways that give them moral victories of sorts. I think GW will release all or most Primarchs eventually but want to do so really slowly and have them on a tier of their own, with the chapter master heroes (and Ragnar) stepping up as the great heroes of The Imperium. When Ghaz comes back I think he'll be big but not as monstrous as The Beast was described as.

I'd prefer GW hop off the "bigger is better" wagon. It's stupid.

Sure. Once they're done a new Ghaz.

Nurglitch wrote:
I'd prefer GW hop off the "bigger is better" wagon. It's stupid.

So much this.

Nurglitch wrote:
I'd prefer GW hop off the "bigger is better" wagon. It's stupid.

That'd be like them getting rid of war or hammers.

JSG wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
I'd prefer GW hop off the "bigger is better" wagon. It's stupid.

That'd be like them getting rid of war or hammers.

Okay, I reserve the right to refer to Primarchs as "Our Tallest!"

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I think all the marines being first might make sense. With the marine codex, it may be a way to give all the other flavours (there are a lot of flavours) their extra rules to keep up with vanilla Marines early without needing to do a whole codex for them.

There is a lot of flavour indeed. Would be so much easier to make marines keep up with each other if we folded them all into a single codex!

Careful now, you're gonna get the whole "Muh Defwing and Furidreads" defenders in this thread!

I used to be dead against the idea but at this point they may as well. They seem intent on watering down fun as much as they can these days.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I'm not being funny, but Ragnar should be no match for Ghazzy. Ghaz is our Primarch level character. Ragnar is not Primarch level.

I mean, his nemesis is an old Commissar, which is also Primarch-level.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Careful now, you're gonna get the whole "Muh Defwing and Furidreads" defenders in this thread!

And, to a lesser degree, their chaos equivalent now that we have 3 CSM codex.

Well, four, if you count Daemons.

The last tome should probably be Necrons vs Tau. While the other factions are all teleporting around shooting mind bullets, meanwhile...

Orikan: "60 million years ago I divined the stars to reveal your card is... THE ACE OF SPADES!"

Farsight: "Watch as I saw this Ethereal in half."
"Aren't you supposed to put them back together?"
"Do what now?"

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well, four, if you count Daemons.

I obviously don't count daemons as a CSM codex Half-Brother, as the SM in CSM stand for Space Marines and Daemons aren't Space Marine. That would be just dumb. I mean, I know you think I'm dumb, but you don't think I am that dumb, do you?

Whatever happened to that DA box set with the DA rumored as the bad guys?

Eldar vs DE would be cool if they fight, do the Phoenix thing, and then unite against the Necrons.

So Oct releases are:

5- Lizzies BB, Ghouls Underworld
12- Psychic Awakenings w/Eldar & DE
19- Skeleton Men for AOS
26- Maybe Salamanders and IF, infilitrators and repulsor?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I'm not being funny, but Ragnar should be no match for Ghazzy. Ghaz is our Primarch level character. Ragnar is not Primarch level.

I mean, his nemesis is an old Commissar, which is also Primarch-level.

To be fair, every direct confrontation between Yarrik and Thrakka ended with Yarrik needing a bunch of replacement body parts.
Every army should have some sort of "Legendary General"-style leader, Gulliman, Abbaddon, Yarrik and Thrakka all fit into that category - but so does Helbrecht, Lemartes and other marine characters.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Careful now, you're gonna get the whole "Muh Defwing and Furidreads" defenders in this thread!

And, to a lesser degree, their chaos equivalent now that we have 3 CSM codex.

Did Ghazghkul and Yarick ever actually fight? He lost his arm fighting some other warboss, who he then killed. Not sure about his eye. I know Yarick led the armies that defeated all Ghazghkul's big attacks, but I don't remember them every encountering each other. Come to think about it, it really makes Ghazghkul seem like a huge coward. He has this great nemesis that he never goes after, and he's never leading the major assaults of his war that end up being defeated by Yarick.

 Popsghostly wrote:
Whatever happened to that DA box set with the DA rumored as the bad guys?

Eldar vs DE would be cool if they fight, do the Phoenix thing, and then unite against the Necrons.

So Oct releases are:

5- Lizzies BB, Ghouls Underworld
12- Psychic Awakenings w/Eldar & DE
19- Skeleton Men for AOS
26- Maybe Salamanders and IF, infilitrators and repulsor?

For as much as there is talk of the whole "Eldar Hate Necrons" thing, is there or has there ever really been any in-depth fluff of newcrons fighting eldar? the only example I can come up with is like the one-page blurb with illic fighting some 'crons in the eldar codex.

For what is supposedly one of The Big Rivalries it's weird to hear about it so infrequently.

the_scotsman wrote:
For as much as there is talk of the whole "Eldar Hate Necrons" thing, is there or has there ever really been any in-depth fluff of newcrons fighting eldar? the only example I can come up with is like the one-page blurb with illic fighting some 'crons in the eldar codex.

For what is supposedly one of The Big Rivalries it's weird to hear about it so infrequently.

In the necron Codex there is a some reference about Alaitoc being particulary active in destroying Tomb World. I don't have my codex with me, but in think they describe Alaitoc as one of the few Craftworld which take the necron menace seriously, or even remembers about them.
Triarch Pretorian, who where active during the great sleep, often fought with Alaitoc trying to defend Tomb Worlds.
Recently, Yllic and Anrakyr fought in the Carnac Campaign

Beside Alaitoc, not really indeed.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Did Ghazghkul and Yarick ever actually fight? He lost his arm fighting some other warboss, who he then killed. Not sure about his eye. I know Yarick led the armies that defeated all Ghazghkul's big attacks, but I don't remember them every encountering each other. Come to think about it, it really makes Ghazghkul seem like a huge coward. He has this great nemesis that he never goes after, and he's never leading the major assaults of his war that end up being defeated by Yarick.

IIRC, the only time the two met in battle, Ghazzy captured Yarrick rather than kill him to reassert his dominance to the WAAAGH! He had Yarrick's bionics removed, proved he could predict Yarrick's behaviour through a couple tests where Yarrick acted exactly as predicted, then Ghazzy had his Bionics re-implanted and set Yarrick free so he could tell the Imperium to get ready for Ghazy's return to Armageddon.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well, four, if you count Daemons.

I obviously don't count daemons as a CSM codex Half-Brother, as the SM in CSM stand for Space Marines and Daemons aren't Space Marine. That would be just dumb. I mean, I know you think I'm dumb, but you don't think I am that dumb, do you?

DON'T ANSWER THAT!!!





I do wish that 'all things 40K Chaos' were in one codex, but, yeah, I know that's not how GW rolls.

I mean, just look at all the books speculated for this release!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I'm not being funny, but Ragnar should be no match for Ghazzy. Ghaz is our Primarch level character. Ragnar is not Primarch level.

I mean, his nemesis is an old Commissar, which is also Primarch-level.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Careful now, you're gonna get the whole "Muh Defwing and Furidreads" defenders in this thread!

And, to a lesser degree, their chaos equivalent now that we have 3 CSM codex.

Death Guard are trickier because of how FNP isn't everywhere, and that WAS their gimmick for forever. However, Thousand Sons can just be given access to everything and just need a different Legion rule. Probably be given the current Scourged Overwatch bonus+ the extra range they already have. Seems okay as a start to me.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Did Ghazghkul and Yarick ever actually fight? He lost his arm fighting some other warboss, who he then killed. Not sure about his eye. I know Yarick led the armies that defeated all Ghazghkul's big attacks, but I don't remember them every encountering each other. Come to think about it, it really makes Ghazghkul seem like a huge coward. He has this great nemesis that he never goes after, and he's never leading the major assaults of his war that end up being defeated by Yarick.

That's just by today's standards. Yarrick and Ghazghkull are from a time when GW writers took greater inspiration from real life military history and their leaders oftentimes behaves more like actual leaders which have a responsibility to the larger war effort and can't just run off to shank somebody.

We've only started seeing the super hero comic approach of nemeses facing off against each other (and both walking away alive) come to the fore prior to 5th ed when the latest generation of writers took over. Basically the Ward era.

Ghazghkull and Yarrick at the time were fine. Their background is just an anachronism now because times have changed since then.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Did Ghazghkul and Yarick ever actually fight? He lost his arm fighting some other warboss, who he then killed. Not sure about his eye. I know Yarick led the armies that defeated all Ghazghkul's big attacks, but I don't remember them every encountering each other. Come to think about it, it really makes Ghazghkul seem like a huge coward. He has this great nemesis that he never goes after, and he's never leading the major assaults of his war that end up being defeated by Yarick.

IIRC, the only time the two met in battle, Ghazzy captured Yarrick rather than kill him to reassert his dominance to the WAAAGH! He had Yarrick's bionics removed, proved he could predict Yarrick's behaviour through a couple tests where Yarrick acted exactly as predicted, then Ghazzy had his Bionics re-implanted and set Yarrick free so he could tell the Imperium to get ready for Ghazy's return to Armageddon.

This is correct.

Ghazzy absolutely mugged Yarrick off, hence the latter's hate for the former. Ghazzy doesn't view Yarrick as a nemesis either, though he respects him for a human and Yarrick very, very nearly got his revenge, if it wasn't for Deus Ex Machinork.

JSG wrote:

Spoiler:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 DominayTrix wrote:

SkullzInfinity wrote:
Any Bangle v Nids matchup at this point will feel stale as hell. We all know Marines can't lose in these campaign books so this'll be the second Campaign book, and third major narrative event, featuring the Bangles where they beat the Nids. Even by 40k's 'Xenos always lose the event' standards that's just becoming ridiculous. Also I find a lot of the fluff around Nids and Marines ridiculous. We've got a Broodlord feeling fear against Gabriel Seth, Tigurius can read the Hive Mind's mind and now it has a literal personal beef against Dante. It really diminishes the Hive Mind that it seems more like some moody teen now rather than a vast, unknowable, unflappable alien intelligence that does not even perceive individual organisms as entities in their own right.

Then again Orks v Space Wolves is no different. They had Sanctus Reach already which was just Orks losing to Wolves and getting le classical 'but Chaos was the real foe all along' upstaged moment, so yet another supplement about the Orks losing to the Wolves is just tedious.

But I guess that's sorta the problem. Any of the matchups with the Marines is gonna feel tedious since basically every time the Marines are matched up with anyone they always win. I think the story fluff that comes with every single starter box featuring Marines since the game began ends in a Marine victory.

Kinda why I hope we get more matchups of just non-Marines against each other, like this Deldar and Craftworlds one. When Marines aren't involved you finally can actually be surprised at the outcome instead of being able to just say "marines win" and 9/10 times know you'll be right. Then again I'm still not ruling out Phoenix Rising literally just ending with a couple of Marines barging in and stomping Jain Zar and Drazhar flat with contemptuous ease.

This hits the nail right on the head. More conflicts that aren't Imperium vs X. Bonus points if you use lesser known subfactions. Let the EC do Slaaneshi things to Eldar. What happens when the Tau's naivety to let anyone join the Greater Good comes into conflict with Nurgle's loving embrace for ALL his followers? Some details on the Octarius War would show what both factions look like going full strength without needing Deus Ex Machina to save the loser. Harlequins are supposed to fight anything that is a threat to the Eldar's existence so why not show them fighting their ancient enemy the Necrons? Even the lesser known Imperials would be nice. What happens if the Genestealers infest a Forgeworld? Khorne doesn't care where the blood flows? The sisters will put that to the test with every single one of their actions glorifying the Emperor and most of their flame weapons not causing bloody wounds.

But no, we need to read more about how Rulesbloat Aquilaman and friends are saving the Imperium yet again through the power of Space Marines

Indeed. This is where I'm at also.

I mean we all know where we are with what happened to Calgar. The fact that he survived Abby just shows that GW will never kill off a Marine hero. They won't even allow them to lose.

I'm not being funny, but Ragnar should be no match for Ghazzy. Ghaz is our Primarch level character. Ragnar is not Primarch level. But we all know that if SW vs Orks is to be believed, Ghazzy will again be mugged off.

Why not have Ghaz kill Ragnar in cold blood, like he should, only for Russ to lose his gak and howl in on a space snowboard to give Ghaz a good kicking. Now that would be cool.

Actual repercussions. Actual permanent death of heroic marines. Then give them a Primarch as an appeasement.

I'm not so sure you're right about Ghaz. Whilst he is the Ork Primarch equivalent I don't think he'll actually be Primarch level so to speak.

It's not about literal size or who would actually 'win' in a fight (although Ghazzy would surely beat Ragnar in a scrap). It's about their relevance to their respective faction. Ghazzy is on a Primarch level in that sense - for Ork players he is the most important character in the current setting bar none. Just as Russ is for wolves, the Lion for DA, Dante/Sanguinor for BA, Guilliman for Ultras, Abbaddon for Black Legion, Mortarion for DG and Magnus for TS. Ragnar is like 2nd in command at best - Santa is the number 1 wolf at present afaik (until Russ returns of course). A Primarch level character should not lose to a number 2/3. It's like the Lion losing to Fabius Bile or some gak. Utter nonsense. Yarrick can compete with Ghazzy because he is arguably the most important IG character.

Also Ghazzy is definitely the most comparable Ork to the beast since the beast.

In my head canon they are one and the same. Ghazzy has already travelled through time and is also named beast. Wouldn't it be the most Orky thing ever to conquer the galaxy then get bored so go back in time to have a 'proper' scrap. Perhaps he's the Warboss of Ullanor actually?

Personally I think it's crap that Marines and Spikey Marines between them have like 8 super characters no-one else can touch. I'd like every Xenos faction to get at least one Special Character comparable to a Primarch as well, see no reason for only the Marines to literally hoard every single strongest character in the entire setting for them and them alone.

Damn right, give me a Ghazghkull just as strong as Primarch. Buff that pathetic loser Swarmlord who's constantly dying to everyone he fights too. Avatar of Khaine as well but, at this stage, I think hoping for the Avi of Khainey to do anything but die is pointless.

Bets that Phoenix Rising sees an Avatar of Khaine wake up, trip, and die in seconds?

SkullzInfinity wrote:
Personally I think it's crap that Marines and Spikey Marines between them have like 8 super characters no-one else can touch. I'd like every Xenos faction to get at least one Special Character comparable to a Primarch as well, see no reason for only the Marines to literally hoard every single strongest character in the entire setting for them and them alone.

Damn right, give me a Ghazghkull just as strong as Primarch. Buff that pathetic loser Swarmlord who's constantly dying to everyone he fights too. Avatar of Khaine as well but, at this stage, I think hoping for the Avi of Khainey to do anything but die is pointless.

Bets that Phoenix Rising sees an Avatar of Khaine wake up, trip, and die in seconds?

Personally I'm happy with everything not being equal, it makes things boring. The Greater Daemons, Avatar of Khaine, Ctan they are on Primarch level imo.

The Beast would be Primarch level, Ghaz is Chapter Master level or slightly above.

Nids shouldn't really have anything quite on that level until we start talking about beasties bigger than Hive Tyrants and Carnifexes as they are essentially mass produced bio materials and we're talking about characters fused with the power of God's or at least a portion of that God's power. It's no slight to not be on their level.

DominayTrix wrote:

Spoiler:

SkullzInfinity wrote:
Any Bangle v Nids matchup at this point will feel stale as hell. We all know Marines can't lose in these campaign books so this'll be the second Campaign book, and third major narrative event, featuring the Bangles where they beat the Nids. Even by 40k's 'Xenos always lose the event' standards that's just becoming ridiculous. Also I find a lot of the fluff around Nids and Marines ridiculous. We've got a Broodlord feeling fear against Gabriel Seth, Tigurius can read the Hive Mind's mind and now it has a literal personal beef against Dante. It really diminishes the Hive Mind that it seems more like some moody teen now rather than a vast, unknowable, unflappable alien intelligence that does not even perceive individual organisms as entities in their own right.

Then again Orks v Space Wolves is no different. They had Sanctus Reach already which was just Orks losing to Wolves and getting le classical 'but Chaos was the real foe all along' upstaged moment, so yet another supplement about the Orks losing to the Wolves is just tedious.

But I guess that's sorta the problem. Any of the matchups with the Marines is gonna feel tedious since basically every time the Marines are matched up with anyone they always win. I think the story fluff that comes with every single starter box featuring Marines since the game began ends in a Marine victory.

Kinda why I hope we get more matchups of just non-Marines against each other, like this Deldar and Craftworlds one. When Marines aren't involved you finally can actually be surprised at the outcome instead of being able to just say "marines win" and 9/10 times know you'll be right. Then again I'm still not ruling out Phoenix Rising literally just ending with a couple of Marines barging in and stomping Jain Zar and Drazhar flat with contemptuous ease.

This hits the nail right on the head. More conflicts that aren't Imperium vs X. Bonus points if you use lesser known subfactions. Let the EC do Slaaneshi things to Eldar. What happens when the Tau's naivety to let anyone join the Greater Good comes into conflict with Nurgle's loving embrace for ALL his followers? Some details on the Octarius War would show what both factions look like going full strength without needing Deus Ex Machina to save the loser. Harlequins are supposed to fight anything that is a threat to the Eldar's existence so why not show them fighting their ancient enemy the Necrons? Even the lesser known Imperials would be nice. What happens if the Genestealers infest a Forgeworld? Khorne doesn't care where the blood flows? The sisters will put that to the test with every single one of their actions glorifying the Emperor and most of their flame weapons not causing bloody wounds.

But no, we need to read more about how Rulesbloat Aquilaman and friends are saving the Imperium yet again through the power of Space Marines.

Now that's funny

 DivineVisitor wrote:


Personally I'm happy with everything not being equal, it makes things boring. The Greater Daemons, Avatar of Khaine, Ctan they are on Primarch level imo.

The Beast would be Primarch level, Ghaz is Chapter Master level or slightly above.

Nids shouldn't really have anything quite on that level until we start talking about beasties bigger than Hive Tyrants and Carnifexes as they are essentially mass produced bio materials and we're talking about characters fused with the power of God's or at least a portion of that God's power. It's no slight to not be on their level.

If there is to be inequality, it should be completely against the Imperium. That's kinda the whole point of the 40k setting - humanity is well and truly fethed.

Either way - it's not about what happens in the black library collection (because we know that any named marine will beat anything else), it's about their relevance in the faction. The "main" character of the faction should absolutely be Primarch level, if not in terms of fighting ability then in terms of tactical prowess and accolades.

Take the Swarmlord. This monstrosity is supposed to be the pinnacle of designed evolution and contains all the knowledge of an entity that is potentially older than anything else in existence. If it fights with something and loses, it comes back with all the memories of its past loss and integrates those memories into its tactics. It constantly learns and constantly adapts. It does not stop until it has killed everything it needs to kill, then it is reborn wherever the hive mind needs it to do the same thing again. This thing, in all honesty, should be far superior to any Primarch. It lost to bloody Marneus "number 2, gauntlets of chumptramar" Calgar of all things. A man born to be number 2. Beat an entity that has existed for presumably millennia in a constant state of bloodshed and battle, that cannot be killed permanently and learns from every loss. How does this make sense?

How pathetic would the Swarmlord be if it fought against Guilliman? Would it even be a fight? How about Primarchs that are greater fighters than Guilliman? There's enough of them. Frankly it'd be embarrassing, one can assume. Perhaps so embarrassing that the Hive Mind would recoil in shock and implode upon itself, thus killing all of the Tyranid Swarms instands

Now I'm not a Nid player, I have no vested interest in this, but doesn't it seem a bit freaking stupid that the pinnacle of all the Tyranids are about, the creature that epitomises the entire faction, is beaten by a bloody number 2 chump?! Well it does to me.

The same should be true of any character that fulfils this role for their faction, we know each has one - Ghazzy for Orks, Eldrad for Eldar, Vect for DE, Farsight for Tau, Cawl for Admech, Yarrick for IG etc etc

Just my thoughts anyways.

Has no one considered the BA vs. ‘Nids will be a “back in time” book instead of a rematch?

 Alpharius wrote:
DON'T ANSWER THAT!!!

Spoiler:

Unpleasant.

 Geifer wrote:
We've only started seeing the super hero comic approach of nemeses facing off against each other (and both walking away alive) come to the fore prior to 5th ed when the latest generation of writers took over. Basically the Ward era.

That's really bad writing, I hate it.

 Stormonu wrote:
Has no one considered the BA vs. ‘Nids will be a “back in time” book instead of a rematch?

There was already a campaing on it and it was called Shield of Baal.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 DivineVisitor wrote:


Personally I'm happy with everything not being equal, it makes things boring. The Greater Daemons, Avatar of Khaine, Ctan they are on Primarch level imo.

The Beast would be Primarch level, Ghaz is Chapter Master level or slightly above.

Nids shouldn't really have anything quite on that level until we start talking about beasties bigger than Hive Tyrants and Carnifexes as they are essentially mass produced bio materials and we're talking about characters fused with the power of God's or at least a portion of that God's power. It's no slight to not be on their level.

If there is to be inequality, it should be completely against the Imperium. That's kinda the whole point of the 40k setting - humanity is well and truly fethed.

Either way - it's not about what happens in the black library collection (because we know that any named marine will beat anything else), it's about their relevance in the faction. The "main" character of the faction should absolutely be Primarch level, if not in terms of fighting ability then in terms of tactical prowess and accolades.

Take the Swarmlord. This monstrosity is supposed to be the pinnacle of designed evolution and contains all the knowledge of an entity that is potentially older than anything else in existence. If it fights with something and loses, it comes back with all the memories of its past loss and integrates those memories into its tactics. It constantly learns and constantly adapts. It does not stop until it has killed everything it needs to kill, then it is reborn wherever the hive mind needs it to do the same thing again. This thing, in all honesty, should be far superior to any Primarch. It lost to bloody Marneus "number 2, gauntlets of chumptramar" Calgar of all things. A man born to be number 2. Beat an entity that has existed for presumably millennia in a constant state of bloodshed and battle, that cannot be killed permanently and learns from every loss. How does this make sense?

How pathetic would the Swarmlord be if it fought against Guilliman? Would it even be a fight? How about Primarchs that are greater fighters than Guilliman? There's enough of them. Frankly it'd be embarrassing, one can assume. Perhaps so embarrassing that the Hive Mind would recoil in shock and implode upon itself, thus killing all of the Tyranid Swarms instands

Now I'm not a Nid player, I have no vested interest in this, but doesn't it seem a bit freaking stupid that the pinnacle of all the Tyranids are about, the creature that epitomises the entire faction, is beaten by a bloody number 2 chump?! Well it does to me.

The same should be true of any character that fulfils this role for their faction, we know each has one - Ghazzy for Orks, Eldrad for Eldar, Vect for DE, Farsight for Tau, Cawl for Admech, Yarrick for IG etc etc

Just my thoughts anyways.

Norn Queen
Dominatrix
Might bring back the Doom of Malantai
All 3 of these have heavy Pyschic Powers and would fit the narrative well. ALso, Tyranids are the only faction without a non FW lord of war. Could be nice to get one of these as a LoW.

Or bring back Parasite of Mortex
Ygmarl broods could come back as well.

Or...maybe they could actually use some creativity and just make a new unit/model. Gasp.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Popsghostly wrote:
Whatever happened to that DA box set with the DA rumored as the bad guys?

Eldar vs DE would be cool if they fight, do the Phoenix thing, and then unite against the Necrons.

So Oct releases are:

5- Lizzies BB, Ghouls Underworld
12- Psychic Awakenings w/Eldar & DE
19- Skeleton Men for AOS
26- Maybe Salamanders and IF, infilitrators and repulsor?

For as much as there is talk of the whole "Eldar Hate Necrons" thing, is there or has there ever really been any in-depth fluff of newcrons fighting eldar? the only example I can come up with is like the one-page blurb with illic fighting some 'crons in the eldar codex.

For what is supposedly one of The Big Rivalries it's weird to hear about it so infrequently.

The second Ynnari book has some Necrons V Eldar that accomplishes nothing, neither side gains anything and there's an illogical Eldar/Necron vault. Basically one more reason to ignore Ynnari.