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Yeah, still waiting to be able to rebuild mu Ordo Hereticus (Inq not Sisters focus) from 4th.

And for a box of Plastic Guard infantry that doesn't look atrocious.

There definitely aren't enough Marines though.

Isn't there some xenos/IG pity party subforum on here for you guys?

Those subforums are still clogged with all the threads created by marine players crying about how weak they were from two months ago.

 Jidmah wrote:
Something that never happened.

I see.

JSG wrote:
Isn't there some xenos/IG pity party subforum on here for you guys?

Yeah at this rate I'm thinking I might poke other online communities, surely there are ones with psotivie communities out there

In the context of the current discussion.

I don't particularly feel sorry for the likes of Tau... Guard... Nids.. Necrons.

Yeah, you haven't had a release in a while.. but your model line is already pretty good.

You have a full range of plastics easily available. No real core issues with your line. What can they even do for Guard that isn't just a brand new thing that they don't exactly need but would be nice?


Meanwhile we have Eldar where a very large part of their army is resin. Dark Eldar also have similar issues, and are both missing flexible HQ like the SM Captain or Tau Commander.

Orks who still don't have a proper Warboss with options either. Plenty of resin hanging around, no Deffkopta model that isn't from 1990s, even though they do have a sculpt for it...

So sorry.. but I don't really care about Guard players moaning about lack of releases either.

Jacob29 wrote:
In the context of the current discussion.

I don't particularly feel sorry for the likes of Tau... Guard... Nids.. Necrons.

Yeah, you haven't had a release in a while.. but your model line is already pretty good.

You have a full range of plastics easily available. No real core issues with your line. What can they even do for Guard that isn't just a brand new thing that they don't exactly need but would be nice?

No, necrons do not have a full range of plastics available. Flayed Ones are finecast. C'tan are Finecast. Characters are finecast. Keep in mind that necrons don't have a large range to begin with, so that's still a good chunk of their line.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
In the context of the current discussion.

I don't particularly feel sorry for the likes of Tau... Guard... Nids.. Necrons.

Yeah, you haven't had a release in a while.. but your model line is already pretty good.

You have a full range of plastics easily available. No real core issues with your line. What can they even do for Guard that isn't just a brand new thing that they don't exactly need but would be nice?

No, necrons do not have a full range of plastics available. Flayed Ones are finecast. C'tan are Finecast. Characters are finecast. Finecast is not plastic and is an inferior product cooked up by GW as part of a scheme to save money by not using Pewter or plastic and instead use a "resin" that's prone to defects and is way too fragile to be anywhere near a gaming table.

Apologies then to Necrons I forgot Flayed Ones are still finecast as well as C'tan. They also could do with a new Lord, granted. But their range isn't exactly bad. They have a lot of plastic.

I DID know finecast was not plastic fyi.

Also they do have a plastic overlord, granted it is monopose, but still. They only have one finecast unit.

I suppose I would be fine with Necron models though if they were coming out the pipe though, sure.

edit: Just saw your edit regarding them already being a small line, that is true they are not massive, and perhaps I should take them off my list.

Yeah, Finecast is supposed to be a type of resin, but its a really cheap, poor quality resin. Getting it is a waste of money.
I guess its like knock-off forgeworld? Like, Forgeworld also makes resin models, but you don't hear as much negative feedback about their stuff as Finecast.

Jacob29 wrote:
Yeah, you haven't had a release in a while.. but your model line is already pretty good.

You have a full range of plastics easily available. No real core issues with your line. What can they even do for Guard that isn't just a brand new thing that they don't exactly need but would be nice?

As opposed to... Marines? REALLY?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
Yeah, you haven't had a release in a while.. but your model line is already pretty good.

You have a full range of plastics easily available. No real core issues with your line. What can they even do for Guard that isn't just a brand new thing that they don't exactly need but would be nice?

As opposed to... Marines? REALLY?

You misundertood, apologies.

Not compared to Marine, definitely not.

I don't think Marines should get a release either, its getting old and boring very quickly.

I just also don't think they should focus on Guard as they have a very solid range already.

But if I had to pick Marines or Guard I would definitely choose Guard.

 Mr Morden wrote:

*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.

Really - the pathetic argument of "I don't like/can't afford the models/rules so somehow they don't count as one of the many Marine releases" - all alongside the constant (even GW laugh about it) releases of Primaris Lt models, the Kill team boxes, the massive amount of FW models that can also be used.....and are still constantly being released.

but yeah our Marines got no new models ever - over here in bizaro world.

How much money do you want to bet that he considers the Pheonix Rising box a xenos release, though? Because...let's see...terrible rules? Check. Giant, overpriced box the only way to get them? Check. Models not available for purchase individually yet? Check.

Laughs in Cadian models *

Solid you say?

Yeah, guard models are pretty dated.
What I find really sad though is that you had such a wide variety of different Imperial Guard regiments, but its all Rambo and generic army dudes now.

If they are going to cut down on the variety, as least make what's left look good.

I mean anvil got those covered that don't dislike resin.

But a redo is high time.

Librarians, Chaplains and Techmarines "level 2" are making a comeback. Librarians and Chaplains know one more spell / litany and can cast one more spell / litany. Techmarines lvl 2 can repair a flat 3 damages instead of D3.

_ Access to those lvl 2 characters will work in the same manner as getting a Chapter Master or Ork Warphead. The stratagems to "upgrade" the characters will cost 1 CP.

_ All SM will have access to those lvl 2 characters (he doesn't know if SW, DA and BA will have access to Chaplains lvl 2 because they don't even know Litanies right now). He thinks it is only for SM and CSM will not have access to something similar but he's not sure.

Awsome. Because no other race could have benefited from this. There was definitely no race in Phoenix Rising that was desperately short of HQ choices and could have really benefited from a way to improve one. Thank goodness we live in a world where no such race exists.

Beyond that, a random librarian can be upgraded a sorcerer not.
Remind me which off these is aligned more closely with the warp.

 Fayric wrote:
Anyone complaining about marine releases are just doing the hobby wrong.
Just get a marine army on the side -they are really easy to get because they are part of most boxed sets for nice discounts

Seriously though, I thought many gamers kept a marine force on the side. Most of my friends has 2 or 3 different factions gathered over the years.

Why on earth would I want models from the most boring faction in the game?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Beyond that, a random librarian can be upgraded a sorcerer not.
Remind me which off these is aligned more closely with the warp.

so much this....and the random librarian is on farseer lvls of psychic power as well. They really need to stop with the "always one more than the one before" approach.

Jacob29 wrote:
In the context of the current discussion.

I don't particularly feel sorry for the likes of Tau... Guard... Nids.. Necrons.

Yeah, you haven't had a release in a while.. but your model line is already pretty good.

You have a full range of plastics easily available. No real core issues with your line. What can they even do for Guard that isn't just a brand new thing that they don't exactly need but would be nice?

Upgrade sprues with reasonable amounts of special/heavy weapons. You can either buy a metal clam-pack with 1 melta and 1 plasma for $15 or a Command Squad with 1 of each special/melee weapon for $35. Same goes for Tau, but the kit needs multiples of every crisis weapon including the ones you only get 1 of in the $50 Commander kit. A dedicated box of 4+ drones would be nice too. $15 for 2 is insane so most people just stalk ebay/miniswap/swapshop until they have enough. There's probably lots of armies that need upgrade kits with their bottlenecked weapons/bits. Getting some rules love would be nice too.

Something along the lines of "Hello there Guardsman/woman! Ever wanted to run your dudes exactly like you wanted to even though they don't wear 3+ armor? With the new imperial guard supplement you can! Combined with the new Guardsman upgrade sprue you can run any tactics you want with the loadout to match!"

Now do this for as many armies as possible.

BrianDavion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

*No, Shadowspear sneak peek doesn't count, because unless you wanted something to put on the shelf, incomplete, badly pointed rules made the minis pretty much unusable.

Really - the pathetic argument of "I don't like/can't afford the models/rules so somehow they don't count as one of the many Marine releases" - all alongside the constant (even GW laugh about it) releases of Primaris Lt models, the Kill team boxes, the massive amount of FW models that can also be used.....and are still constantly being released.

but yeah our Marines got no new models ever - over here in bizaro world.

Shadowspear contains phobos marines. Their latest release wave is phobos marines.

Unless you want to count releasing infiltrators etc twice, then no you can't count shadowspear.

I'm detecting a notable double standard here. any marine release is too much meanwhile with anyone else their release only counts if it's "worthy" and if the unit sucks "it doesn't count"

Bit like all Marines are one faction for sales and super different compeltely unique factions that just happen to use the same models for other things?

That the constant FW modells AND rules for 40K Marines dont count - even though other factions either don't get one or both.

Marines have models released every week.

Anyone complaining about marine releases are just doing the hobby wrong.

No - I have several Marine armies but I would like stuff released for my others armies that actually need new releases not just adding to the Mountain of Marine bloat.

I wonder how many generic Marine units, formaitons, etc are added by the new campaign andif the entire rest of the facition releases added together will come close.

 DominayTrix wrote:

Upgrade sprues with reasonable amounts of special/heavy weapons. You can either buy a metal clam-pack with 1 melta and 1 plasma for $15 or a Command Squad with 1 of each special/melee weapon for $35.

If we see anything, it'll be a recut Guard Infantry box ala the Fire Warriors revamp a few years ago. If we do...don't be surprised to see reduced heavy weapons/special weapons options though.

 Imateria wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Anyone complaining about marine releases are just doing the hobby wrong.
Just get a marine army on the side -they are really easy to get because they are part of most boxed sets for nice discounts

Seriously though, I thought many gamers kept a marine force on the side. Most of my friends has 2 or 3 different factions gathered over the years.

Why on earth would I want models from the most boring faction in the game?

What the Necrons have to do with this?

Glad to see we are keeping this thread relevant to the topic. Mod step in anytime, thank you.

My hope for the new book is a few more missions. I felt Phx Rising was a bit of a disappointment in this area. I wanted more Vigilus style, and this was more of a whimper. I am tempted to pick up some slaaneshi daemons just to play some of these games.

Some new art would be nice.

Jacob29 wrote:

Apologies then to Necrons I forgot Flayed Ones are still finecast as well as C'tan. They also could do with a new Lord, granted. But their range isn't exactly bad. They have a lot of plastic.

I DID know finecast was not plastic fyi.

Also they do have a plastic overlord, granted it is monopose, but still. They only have one finecast unit.

I suppose I would be fine with Necron models though if they were coming out the pipe though, sure.

edit: Just saw your edit regarding them already being a small line, that is true they are not massive, and perhaps I should take them off my list.

Destroyer Lords and Heavy Destroyers are also a mix plastic-finecast. And if there is one thing Finecrap a particuliary bad at, it's those shaft every necron character have, or the long cannon of the Heavy Destroyers which are all bent and break without notice.

Still we are at a far better place than Craftworld ou Dark Eldar. But our Finecast is on particulary fragile models.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
they also say that the Chapter's Marines were infected by the Genestealer's Kiss.

This is not anything new and has been in the fluff for years. Genestealers can infect Astartes to influence them mentally, but the whole reproduction aspect does not work due to Astartes physiology.

 Imateria wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Anyone complaining about marine releases are just doing the hobby wrong.
Just get a marine army on the side -they are really easy to get because they are part of most boxed sets for nice discounts

Seriously though, I thought many gamers kept a marine force on the side. Most of my friends has 2 or 3 different factions gathered over the years.

Why on earth would I want models from the most boring faction in the game?

At the place where I play we did a "hobby garage sale" recently where people brought in all the spare stuff they don't want anymore to try and trade it away. For the most part, people were trading model kits for 10-15$ just to get rid of them.

95% of it was marines stuff. Amusingly, mostly Primaris marine stuff - there were no less than 6 unpainted repulsor chassis people were trying to ditch.


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Waaaghbert wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Beyond that, a random librarian can be upgraded a sorcerer not.
Remind me which off these is aligned more closely with the warp.

so much this....and the random librarian is on farseer lvls of psychic power as well. They really need to stop with the "always one more than the one before" approach.

We're at...let's see now..

Librarius
Ob...scurious? The new phobos one
GK list
BA list
SW list
DA list
IH list
RG list
UM list
WS list
IF list

So that's... 11 psychic disciplines within the power armor codexes.

Outside of the power armor codexes, we've got:

3 Eldar lists
daemons list
CSM list
Tsons list
DG list
harlequins list
Ork list
IG list

10 psychic disciplines. Total. Across all the factions that have psykers.

Amazing times we live in. Anyone want to place bets on whether the next psychic doctrine released will be something for a non-loyalist SM faction, or will it be Deathwatchamancy or, feth it, Templaromancy just to complete the set?

the_scotsman wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Anyone complaining about marine releases are just doing the hobby wrong.
Just get a marine army on the side -they are really easy to get because they are part of most boxed sets for nice discounts

Seriously though, I thought many gamers kept a marine force on the side. Most of my friends has 2 or 3 different factions gathered over the years.

Why on earth would I want models from the most boring faction in the game?

At the place where I play we did a "hobby garage sale" recently where people brought in all the spare stuff they don't want anymore to try and trade it away. For the most part, people were trading model kits for 10-15$ just to get rid of them.

95% of it was marines stuff. Amusingly, mostly Primaris marine stuff - there were no less than 6 unpainted repulsor chassis people were trying to ditch.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Waaaghbert wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Beyond that, a random librarian can be upgraded a sorcerer not.
Remind me which off these is aligned more closely with the warp.

so much this....and the random librarian is on farseer lvls of psychic power as well. They really need to stop with the "always one more than the one before" approach.

We're at...let's see now..

Librarius
Ob...scurious? The new phobos one
GK list
BA list
SW list
DA list
IH list
RG list
UM list
WS list
IF list

So that's... 11 psychic disciplines within the power armor codexes.

Outside of the power armor codexes, we've got:

3 Eldar lists
3 daemons list
2 CSM list
Tsons list
DG list
harlequins list
Ork list
IG list

13 psychic disciplines. Total. Across all the factions that have psykers.

Amazing times we live in. Anyone want to place bets on whether the next psychic doctrine released will be something for a non-loyalist SM faction, or will it be Deathwatchamancy or, feth it, Templaromancy just to complete the set?

Not much better but fixed that for you.

Honestly getting bored of this now. People are fed of marines,but there's no need to pour out this level vitriol towards it, either don't buy them/ignore the marine content or join them. It's not worth being outwardly hostile and bitter about what the company decides to release or not release.

And no I'm not a marine "apologist", I don't own a marine army and their releases don't impact me. I just get on with what I have and enjoy, let them have their stuff if it keeps the game going. There are some advantages to not having new stuff shovelled out constantly for all factions - the older units aren't going to get re-made and magically double the monetary cost.

Back on topic: given the list of factions included I can imagine a lot of them getting lipservice with minimal new stuff, especially sisters. The main focus will probably black templars which will (assumingly) round out the marine supplements at last. it might be better if there are no model releases this time though.

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like the Eldar part was so disappointing and poorly done that they no longer care storywise?
I'm interested in new models/rules for factions I play and like the look of but story wise I'm feeling more and more like just leaving 40k nowadays.