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 Alpharius wrote:
Did the Psychic Awakening Book 1 stuff contain any major background reveals?

Did Jain Zar or Dark Eldar Murder Man supreme ‘win’?

Did anything of note happen?

Found a spoiler review on Reddit.

It isn’t a spoiler to say it was a very typical GW “lots of things happen but in the end nothing really happens” sort of affair...

GW, I am disappoint.

And glad I didn’t spend any money on this one.

At least PA2 has some potential with the BT rules.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
maybe on the other hand kvitching about having to buy a new book can be problematic, GW for whatever reason, decided chaos players would object to a new codex, but Vanilla marine players wou;dn't. the end result was CSM got a patch work 2nd codex, that was optional, there was nothing in it aside from the new stuff, if you bought Vigilius and dowlonaded the datacards, you could keep using your old codex, which meant GW didn't make changes to that codex. to the results we've seen. meanwhile the new Marine dex is required, not optional and well.. the results speak for themselves.

Me I don't mind buying a new codex if it actually means IMPROVEMENTS.

SM and CSM both seem to have major range replacements/expansions planned for Shadowspear. I wonder if the difference between CSM 2.0 and SM 2.0 was not that GW hates CSM, but that GW had been planning on going the SM supplement route already, which required a further rework of the base SM codex to fit, which led to a bigger revamp than just a compilation codex like CSM got. GW knows that they can sell SM supplements, I mean I still have the books for Clan Raukaan and Sentinels of Terra. It may have been the plan all along to go the full supplement route for SM after getting all the base codices out for 8th. The legion upgrades in PA2, while lesser than the full revamped chapter traits + supplements, are coming out quickly enough that GW probably decided to do it post CSM 1.5 codex while working on the SM 2.0 book. The rules content for the legions involved are similar to the actual rules content of most of the SM supplements (not equal, and not equivalent to the supplement plus base SM codex changes, true)

well we've got a bit of a timeline we can use here.

Shadowspear (first Look at New CSM sculpts and new Phobos stuff) - early March 2019
Vigilus Ablaze with Black Legion supplement And new CSM codex and units- Late March 2019
July White Dwarf (Index Blood Ravens, our first look at custom chapter tactics and the chief libby strat)
Codex Space Marines/UM and WS supplemets - early Aug 2019
PA2 (with black templars supplement, chaos marine supplements and chapter command rules) - late Nov 2019


so that's the timeline. we can't be 100% sure, but it would seem given the blod ravens rules that the chapter command rules we see in PA2 where being planned for as early as July. and withheld for psykic awakening 2.

 Alpharius wrote:
Did the Psychic Awakening Book 1 stuff contain any major background reveals?

Did Jain Zar or Dark Eldar Murder Man supreme ‘win’?

Did anything of note happen?

-Dark Eldar mostly continue to dislike Ynarri

-Slaanesh Daemons and especially Shalaxi Hellbane are super overpowered, in hilarious contrast to their rules in the actual game

-Plan A from the novels and end times-style books leading into 8th is no longer viable (can't collect all the crone swords)

-Drazar and Jain Zarr fight; Drazar is better but Jain levels the playing field by learning cool Ynarri ninja death moves

Really, I think that's it. As someone posted, it is a very odd narrative. Even less happens than the Vigilus books.

ThatMG wrote:
Legit Info: Psychic Awakening ends with IoM losing and then 9th Edition hits post collapse of the IoM. With Space Marines + Imperium Forces forced into fleet based e.g. think human craftworlds/possible human webway usage. With more Primarchs Awakening with a dead Emperor. - Not Alpha Legion 2019.

In two weeks, faeit will post this as rumors from an anonymous source.

 Virules wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Did the Psychic Awakening Book 1 stuff contain any major background reveals?

Did Jain Zar or Dark Eldar Murder Man supreme ‘win’?

Did anything of note happen?

-Dark Eldar mostly continue to dislike Ynarri

-Slaanesh Daemons and especially Shalaxi Hellbane are super overpowered, in hilarious contrast to their rules in the actual game

-Plan A from the novels and end times-style books leading into 8th is no longer viable (can't collect all the crone swords)

-Drazar and Jain Zarr fight; Drazar is better but Jain levels the playing field by learning cool Ynarri ninja death moves

Really, I think that's it. As someone posted, it is a very odd narrative. Even less happens than the Vigilus books.

Also, it is revealed that Slaanesh stole the 5th cronesword away, never to be reached by Yvraine (it's not even part of the narrative, we learn this in a random side note). So the Ynnari's epic quest to unite the five cronesword ended abruptly only one book after they found the first four swords in Fracture of Biel-Tan!?

The developments or characters from Gav Thorpe`s Ynnari novels aren't even mentioned. Where was Meliniel, the former Biel-Tan Autarch who can transform into an Avatar, Yvraine's second in command? And how about the idea that Yvraine, Eldrad and her other close allies might be incarnations of the Eldar gods?

I found the writing in Phoenix Rising really bad. Like Fracture of Biel-Tan level bad. The structure was really confusing, jumping back and forth, the aforementioned developments that never payed off, not much storyline progression except for setting up Shalaxi Hellbane as a super overpowered antagonist.

At this point I'm just thankful that they didn't blow up another Craftworld or kill off characters so that they don't have to do new models for them.

I mean they did kill the Visarch and Jain Zar but they were both revived like nothing ever happened.

The fluff was very poor. Since coming back into the hobby after the past few years, the change from setting to narrative has resulted in a nose-dive in terms of quality.

Honestly, the best fluff from the book was the map of the galaxy with the tid bits on what the other Craftworlds were up to. They're such short sentences they can't feth it up.


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OrkPlayer137 wrote:
Looks like Blood of the Phoenix really didn't sell well at all (as many expected): Goblin Gaming in the UK still have over 100 copies and just sent out an email advertising 30% discount!

That might make me consider the box...

Blood of the Phoenix not doing well means GW will think no one wants double Xenos boxes.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Blood of the Phoenix not doing well means GW will think no one wants double Xenos boxes.

"well the pricing wasn't an issue at all right? Right?"

 Crazyterran wrote:
Blood of the Phoenix not doing well means GW will think no one wants double Xenos boxes.

And that no one is interested in plastic Aspect Warriors. So not only will we get Imperials/Chaos as at least half of every box for the foreseeable future, but the rest of the Aspect Warrior units in desperate need of a revamp in plastic are now more likely to become "Legends" units rather than get that plastic update

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Not Online!!! wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Blood of the Phoenix not doing well means GW will think no one wants double Xenos boxes.

"well the pricing wasn't an issue at all right? Right?"

As much as I want to say there is no way they could be this oblivious, the actually case is likely that they would draw the conclusion they specifically want from it. A double Xeno box, in their mind, likely sells bad, so they "have to" jack up the price to account for it and presto, the box sells bad, GW leadership says, "told you so!"

It's nearly been explicitly stated that there is no internal impetus to make Xeno product, so it's easy to imagine they would ratify that with some sales data spuriously correlated. The whole problem of Xeno sales is probably something like a massive exercise in confirmation bias.

 H wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Blood of the Phoenix not doing well means GW will think no one wants double Xenos boxes.

"well the pricing wasn't an issue at all right? Right?"

As much as I want to say there is no way they could be this oblivious, the actually case is likely that they would draw the conclusion they specifically want from it. A double Xeno box, in their mind, likely sells bad, so they "have to" jack up the price to account for it and presto, the box sells bad, GW leadership says, "told you so!"

It's nearly been explicitly stated that there is no internal impetus to make Xeno product, so it's easy to imagine they would ratify that with some sales data spuriously correlated. The whole problem of Xeno sales is probably something like a massive exercise in confirmation bias.

Until Custommer survivey literally shakes them awake, (SoB.)
Gw , one would think, should have learnt by now that deinvestment cycles are NOT going to make factions popular.

Yet GW does it again.

 Virules wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Did the Psychic Awakening Book 1 stuff contain any major background reveals?

Did Jain Zar or Dark Eldar Murder Man supreme ‘win’?

Did anything of note happen?

-Dark Eldar mostly continue to dislike Ynarri

-Slaanesh Daemons and especially Shalaxi Hellbane are super overpowered, in hilarious contrast to their rules in the actual game

-Plan A from the novels and end times-style books leading into 8th is no longer viable (can't collect all the crone swords)

-Drazar and Jain Zarr fight; Drazar is better but Jain levels the playing field by learning cool Ynarri ninja death moves

Really, I think that's it. As someone posted, it is a very odd narrative. Even less happens than the Vigilus books.

It was also revealed that since the great rift opened the abilities of the Aeldari have been buffed. Striking Scorpions being able to make themselves invisible like Corax did, Warlocks and Farseers being able to cast more powerful spells and such.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Until Custommer survivey literally shakes them awake, (SoB.)
Gw , one would think, should have learnt by now that deinvestment cycles are NOT going to make factions popular.

Yet GW does it again.

Yeah and although it is likely only when the results just so happens to align with some other "internal" impetus.

Personally, I think the "real" reason we got SoB in plastic is because GW's push to remove resin and metal as we move forward meant either Squat the army or push out plastics. There probably was some internal feeling that a Squat-move wasn't going to go over well and the survey was "used" to "justify" the "revamp" side's case. I just doubt the survey was the impetus in-itself, rather, it is probably just another case of confirmation bias.

People have been writing in about Tomb King or plastic Thunder Hawks for years, but none of that actually aligns with any internal impetus on the part of GW. It's likely confirmation bias all the way down.

And before the flood of, "that's stupid!" or "GW would never do that!" or "that doesn't make any sense!" this is strictly just my opinion, my interpretation of the matter, not an attempt to claim any fact of the matter.

I really wish people would stop pretending that the Community Survey was the impetus for continuing forward with plastic Sisters.

It was the impetus for them being so abnormally public with the development, certainly.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I really wish people would stop pretending that the Community Survey was the impetus for continuing forward with plastic Sisters.

It was the impetus for them being so abnormally public with the development, certainly.

Enlighten me then, what might have triggered the start of an actual, you know, care for the faction?

The post above mine is a wonderful example of why GW likely chose to be so public with the development process.

They could say "Guys, we have something coming--be patient!" and posters like that will assume it means "THERE'S NO ACTUAL CARE FOR THE FACTION!" or whatever hyperbolic nonsense they choose to purvey.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They could say "Guys, we have something coming--be patient!" and posters like that will assume it means "THERE'S NO ACTUAL CARE FOR THE FACTION!" or whatever hyperbolic nonsense they choose to purvey.

That would be 100% the correct way of reacting, because of GW's track record on the subject! They built this.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I really wish people would stop pretending that the Community Survey was the impetus for continuing forward with plastic Sisters.

It was the impetus for them being so abnormally public with the development, certainly.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I seem to remember news letters addressing the subject basically say outright that it was the survey which brought GW around to the sisters.

BT preview up.

So BT get 'Ere We Go except with a extra effect. Already better than Orks at a glance, it seems.
Personally I would have preferred to see a return of that 3rd ed rule where if the unit takes damage they walk forward, but that's just my nostalgia, really.

They also get half of the Necron Immortal Pride trait...sort of.
Its better at denying, but it doesn't have the fearless bubble. So that's fine.

The Fires of Devotion effect sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it. Seems like a cool rule, if a bit situational, so that's fine.

No Neophytes though? That's a pity if so. Mixed squads of Initiates and Neophytes was a fun little quirk of the Templars.

The FNP component is strictly against mortal wounds. Its unchanged from the Codex CT.

Sterling191 wrote:
The FNP component is strictly against mortal wounds.

Yeah I reread it. So its only really better than Orks.

Yea BT just seem a bit 'meh' compared to the rest of the marine stuff.

edit: also had to be BT first didn't it, another day to wait for the chaos stuff ugh

No primaris emp's champion or crusader squads by the looks of that preview, all the models in the photos are non-primaris.

They're really driving BT into the ground aren't they in comparison to the other more "codex" chapters?

saw this too not in the article

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
No primaris emp's champion or crusader squads by the looks of that preview, all the models in the photos are non-primaris.

They're really driving BT into the ground aren't they in comparison to the other more "codex" chapters?

I don't get the whining.

Just half the stuff from only this one preview is 1000x better than everything Ynnari got thrown in PA1.

 Latro_ wrote:
saw this too not in the article

Because it was in the preorder article on Sunday.

And it will be with the webstore on Saturday when preorders go up.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
The FNP component is strictly against mortal wounds.

Yeah I reread it. So its only really better than Orks.

Not really, because orks get 'ere we go, DakkaDakkaDakka and a culture on top of that, which 5 out of 7 times is better than the assault doctrine and ignore mortal wounds combined.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
No primaris emp's champion or crusader squads by the looks of that preview, all the models in the photos are non-primaris.

They're really driving BT into the ground aren't they in comparison to the other more "codex" chapters?

I've no idea where you're going with this. How are they being 'driven into the ground?'

For one thing, they showed the table of contents yesterday, and datasheets for the emperor's champion and crusader squads are listed right there. (p 46 and 48 respectively)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/11/faith-fury-a-first-lookgw-homepage-post-3/

Voss wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
No primaris emp's champion or crusader squads by the looks of that preview, all the models in the photos are non-primaris.

They're really driving BT into the ground aren't they in comparison to the other more "codex" chapters?

I've no idea where you're going with this. How are they being 'driven into the ground?'

For one thing, they showed the table of contents yesterday, and datasheets for the emperor's champion and crusader squads are listed right there. (p 46 and 48 respectively)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/11/faith-fury-a-first-lookgw-homepage-post-3/

Started with them getting rolled into the SM coded years ago and I said Primaris, if GW were taking Black Templars seriously they'd have updated the classic units to Primaris models. They haven't done so unfortunately.