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 Virules wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Virules wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Virules wrote:
I am shocked that PA3 is already up for pre-order in 10 days when PA2 isn't out yet. Talk about a fast pace of releases! I love it. I hope this means PA4 in January, whatever factions it is.

Wonder what factions will be in PA4 and PA5??

4 is apparently Orks and Space Wolves (according to reliable rumours).

That would be cool. Personally I can't wait for Death Guard. Most outdated codex of 8th edition at this point. I hope they get a book choke-full of new stratagems and relics.

Off all chaos factions DG need the least help.

As someone who plays all Chaos factions competitively, and who closely watches the weekly reports of what Chaos lists are doing well, I think it's obvious you are dead wrong. The vast majority of units don't see serious use despite heavy points reductions a year ago. They have far less stratagems than CSM, Daemons, or TS. They don't have specialist detachments like CSM. They don't have anything as auto-include as a TS supreme command. All you ever see from them are sometimes PBCs and sometimes the pricey Blightlords.

And you missed a Chaos faction.
So irrelevant.

ImAGeek wrote:Mephistonnn

Spoiler:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/20/mephiston-rereborn/

I think I just spilled geneseed in my pants. It was worth it for this model.

More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Yeah. I am. It’s a great model. Get over yourself.

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Since the non-Marines aren't really playable at the moment, might as well get as many variants of Marines out there as possible

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Yeah. I am. It’s a great model. Get over yourself.

You are talking to a man who gets angry that people use their toys from Forge World.

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Pfft, next you'll be wanting Non Imperial/Chaos factions to be more than NPC's.

Madness! This is 40K... where it is Imperial Marines Vs Chaos Marines.

So far 8th has just been Imperial or Chaos model releases. Tau - none, Tyranids - none, Eldar - a few, Dark Eldar - a few, Harlequins - one, Genestealer Cults - a few, Orks - a few.

Heck I think Primaris Marines have got as many releases as all of the Xenos races combined since 8th dropped.

Still, people keep buying it, so I can't entirely blame GW for making them.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Am back home now, from what I can see at 40kstats over the last month Iron Hands are grossly ahead at 65%, followed by Raven Guard, White Scars, and Imperial Fists around 55% (Crimson Fists at 60% but only two lists). Then it drops off to Ultramarines at 52.48% and the rest of the Chapters are sub-50% win rate. Of these only the Iron Hands (and the two Crimson Fists) stand out as grossly overpowered; Custom Craftworlds managed 58% win rate during the same period, Vostroyan (somehow) managed a 59.44% win rate (although, again, a small sample size), mixed Chaos Daemons managed 55.4%, and mixed CSM managed 60% (again, small sample size though). AdMech Graia managed 58% (sample size of 20 though) and Kabal of the Black Heart managed over 55.5% as well. Evil Sunz Orks at 54.89% win rate and Tau at almost 53% win rate. I'm not seeing this monstrous overpoweredness in these numbers, so I'm going to assume that there's a methodological difference between our sources. Coudl you post yours so we can compare?

Well, stuff like Vostroyan or Graia being well and above anything Ynnari ever managed is bad enough, doubly so if it's overshadowed by Marines. But I suppose that is food for another topic.

Ultramarines are at 63% if you filter out the Marine mirrors against Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, etc.... They underperform in the Marine vs. even-more-broken-Marine match, but still are OP on a level we haven't seen in 8th (or even 7th as far as we have rough approximations of data) against (virtually) all non-Marine books.

Which is kinda the irony of the current meta. The "only" 5th or 6th most-broken army currently is vastly more broken than anything we've seen come before, but goes by largely unnoticed because there's more stuff even more out of whack.

He must be psychic to go into battle with no peripheral vision.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Am back home now, from what I can see at 40kstats over the last month Iron Hands are grossly ahead at 65%, followed by Raven Guard, White Scars, and Imperial Fists around 55% (Crimson Fists at 60% but only two lists). Then it drops off to Ultramarines at 52.48% and the rest of the Chapters are sub-50% win rate. Of these only the Iron Hands (and the two Crimson Fists) stand out as grossly overpowered; Custom Craftworlds managed 58% win rate during the same period, Vostroyan (somehow) managed a 59.44% win rate (although, again, a small sample size), mixed Chaos Daemons managed 55.4%, and mixed CSM managed 60% (again, small sample size though). AdMech Graia managed 58% (sample size of 20 though) and Kabal of the Black Heart managed over 55.5% as well. Evil Sunz Orks at 54.89% win rate and Tau at almost 53% win rate. I'm not seeing this monstrous overpoweredness in these numbers, so I'm going to assume that there's a methodological difference between our sources. Coudl you post yours so we can compare?

Well, stuff like Vostroyan or Graia being well and above anything Ynnari ever managed is bad enough, doubly so if it's overshadowed by Marines. But I suppose that is food for another topic.

Ultramarines are at 63% if you filter out the Marine mirrors against Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, etc.... They underperform in the Marine vs. even-more-broken-Marine match, but still are OP on a level we haven't seen in 8th (or even 7th as far as we have rough approximations of data) against (virtually) all non-Marine books.

Which is kinda the irony of the current meta. The "only" 5th or 6th most-broken army currently is vastly more broken than anything we've seen come before, but goes by largely unnoticed because there's more stuff even more out of whack.

Graia and Vostroyans have very specific abilities that soup well with other traits in their codex. Graia is the only anti pysker admech has, so any competitive list that wants to place as admech will have them. Vostroyans are the only surefire way to get extra BS on a unit of your choice, and their Tank Commanders and shadowswords can easily hit on 2's with the right set up, which if you want to play mono guard is key.

It makes sense these traits would have abnormally high win rates, since competitive players are only splashing them in to cover specific weaknesses more powerful traits in their codex have (admech, Mars and Stygies, Guard, Cadian and Catachan) These factions are pretty trash overall, they just have one specific combo that makes them critical for ITC.

Personally I blame ITC for radically skewing how a list is made to work within it, but that's also off topic. Don't get me wrong, I like ITC, but I worry about it being used to balance a game where most players are not actually playing ITC missions or events. We have units being balanced off of ITC merit that many people are only using in book or narrative missions, which isn't good for balance.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Not the thread to debate which color of skittles tastes the worst ATM guys...

I like mephiston but damn he looks massive. I also am torn on the hand to mouth pose. The art is telling my brain what he is supposed to be doing there, but if I am honest, it looks more like he smelled one of Dante's farts

I personally read it as "ONE MILLION DOLLARS!"

Blimey, that's a bit good. They're making it increasingly difficult to not buy Primaris marines...

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Yes, I am. I hope that you too someday finally find something to enjoy in your own life even if it's as trivial as a tiny plastic soldier.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Not the thread to debate which color of skittles tastes the worst ATM guys...

I like mephiston but damn he looks massive. I also am torn on the hand to mouth pose. The art is telling my brain what he is supposed to be doing there, but if I am honest, it looks more like he smelled one of Dante's farts

I personally read it as "ONE MILLION DOLLARS!"

He's chewing his knuckles as he contemplates his next purchase from Hot Topic.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Not the thread to debate which color of skittles tastes the worst ATM guys...

I like mephiston but damn he looks massive. I also am torn on the hand to mouth pose. The art is telling my brain what he is supposed to be doing there, but if I am honest, it looks more like he smelled one of Dante's farts

Hmm. It looks to me like he's getting ready to take a shot of tequila...

Cool pose, but the flayed crouch armor look is something I can't unsee

Very cool, but I would have loved a bit of an update on the design, not a huge overhaul, but the collar and skull toppers, the sword cross guard and the 'armpit tubes' could have been reworked a bit to better reflect the artificier fluff. Those things to me are elements that are too dated and should have been upgraded design wise.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Since the non-Marines aren't really playable at the moment, might as well get as many variants of Marines out there as possible

Lots of non-marine armies are being played. GSC, Eldar Dark and Eldar Light, Orks, Imperial Guard. I'm seeing a lot of these on my local tables, but the only thing GW seems to be intent on releasing is more powered armor. Even the Sisters are in power armor. It's getting....OLD.


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 warboss wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Yes, I am. I hope that you too someday finally find something to enjoy in your own life even if it's as trivial as a tiny plastic soldier.

I have lots of things to enjoy. 40K used to be one, until they stopped making models for anything but their precious SpEsS MaHReEnS.


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 stonehorse wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Pfft, next you'll be wanting Non Imperial/Chaos factions to be more than NPC's.

Madness! This is 40K... where it is Imperial Marines Vs Chaos Marines.

So far 8th has just been Imperial or Chaos model releases. Tau - none, Tyranids - none, Eldar - a few, Dark Eldar - a few, Harlequins - one, Genestealer Cults - a few, Orks - a few.

Heck I think Primaris Marines have got as many releases as all of the Xenos races combined since 8th dropped.

Still, people keep buying it, so I can't entirely blame GW for making them.

It would be nice to see models get updates that need it. All the space marine line was practically brand new. Meanwhile Guard, Sisters, Eldar, Orks. Nada.

Nice model. Reminds me of the new Kharn in terms of being like the old version but better realized.

Yep he’s beautiful. I am definitely going to do his artwork pose rather than the plasma pistol.

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Hurrah! What has it been? 4 weeks since the last spess muhreen model? The wait has been too long /s

Quite like the new Mephiston actually. I had my doubts, since I'm not a big proponent of Primaris in general, but it looks really good. I'm sure it's not helping GW's image of over focusing marines lately, but Blood Angels were due some sort of specific release. Call it bad timing.

Darsath wrote:
Quite like the new Mephiston actually. I had my doubts, since I'm not a big proponent of Primaris in general, but it looks really good. I'm sure it's not helping GW's image of over focusing marines lately, but Blood Angels were due some sort of specific release. Call it bad timing.

Image? I didn't realise there was any debate that GW is over (only) focusing on marines? They have released nothing else.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Quite like the new Mephiston actually. I had my doubts, since I'm not a big proponent of Primaris in general, but it looks really good. I'm sure it's not helping GW's image of over focusing marines lately, but Blood Angels were due some sort of specific release. Call it bad timing.

Image? I didn't realise there was any debate that GW is over (only) focusing on marines? They have released nothing else.

Perception might have been a better term. If Games Workshop had a different release in place, it would help reduce the mass of people thinking that.

I love that Mephiston mini and he will be mine.

@Dr. Mills - If you feel that way, that's what the ignore button is perfect for

Darsath wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Quite like the new Mephiston actually. I had my doubts, since I'm not a big proponent of Primaris in general, but it looks really good. I'm sure it's not helping GW's image of over focusing marines lately, but Blood Angels were due some sort of specific release. Call it bad timing.

Image? I didn't realise there was any debate that GW is over (only) focusing on marines? They have released nothing else.

Perception might have been a better term. If Games Workshop had a different release in place, it would help reduce the mass of people thinking that.

I'm implying that its a fact man. People are thinking the truth.

As for Mephiston, really cool mini. But what is he doing in the alternate pose? smelling his finger?

Why is he smelling his finger?

Oh, no please I don’t want to know.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Why is he smelling his finger?

Oh, no please I don’t want to know.

Slaanesh is one hell of a drug

 streetsamurai wrote:

As for Mephiston, really cool mini. But what is he doing in the alternate pose? smelling his finger?

I think some blood painted on his face would go a long way to helping the pose.