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tl;dr
Do Sororitas allies have any sort of heraldry they are expected to wear/possess?

Long story: I got a lot of Raging Heroes models because I was going to make an IG unit and I needed some females for my unit...but then I got more Raging Heroes and starting making gangers and other models...but am wondering if there was a way to incorporate them into my slowly growing Sisters army...

As for fluff, I assume that as a ranking member of an Imperial force, the Sisters could basically commandeer the survivors of a few other units for an important operation for the Ecclesiarchy. To ensure the Decree Passive, they went through and picked the best females from the units and sent the males back. The operation eventually extends for several months/years and after a while the parent IG units just decides that those few platoons aren't worth worrying about when the main IG force departs, so just writes them off as permanently detached to the Ecclesiarchy.

So, what would a platoon of gangers and IG wear if they had been trooping around with the Sisters for a year+

I am saying that Powered Armor is out, because that is too iconic for SoB. Would the gangers just add religious symbols? Would the IG go all non-tactical and start wearing bright colors on the battlefield?
Or should I just keep them as separate units with no real visual thread connecting them?

-STS

they could be fratiris milita. basicly in times of war the ecclisiarchy can, in addition to sisters, raise their own milita units. they can be eaither high;y orginized damn near guard or a raving pack of zelots depending on the details behind it in question.

BrianDavion wrote:
they could be fratiris milita. basicly in times of war the ecclisiarchy can, in addition to sisters, raise their own milita units. they can be eaither high;y orginized damn near guard or a raving pack of zelots depending on the details behind it in question.

That's a contentious on at times in universe. While crusade of faith are allowed and so are redomtomist cults etc.

Men under arms, directly and permanent formations are a very different thing..the only permanent military formations are the sisters and so. Retinues, and other things are ok. But large scale standing formations would definitely be very suspicious.

A militia would have be disbanded quickly as the direct military power of Impiral religion is kept a eye on.

Once it's mission completed. The formation would have to be disbanded likely. However it would not be out of ordinary for them to take up a marking to denote who they serve withm of some kind. It may not be a sisterhood exactly but onebbutncould be any number of religion or eagle bases sigils.

If you've decided that you want female frateris units, go for it. The icon you're looking for is the fleur de lys.

The reason it's so good for you is that it's a real symbol in the real world, which means you can find it everywhere. The craft chain Michaels carries fleur de lys buttons, beads and stamps. I've seen fleur de lys earrings and necklace pendants in many different sizes.

Freehand painting them takes practice; bilateral symmetry is hard.

slade the sniper wrote:
As for fluff, I assume that as a ranking member of an Imperial force, the Sisters could basically commandeer the survivors of a few other units for an important operation for the Ecclesiarchy.

The sisters have no authority of any kind to commandeer imperial forces.

They can seek co-operation, request assistance, or march on and inspire scattered forces to rally behind them but they have no legitimate command authority over the guard, etc - indeed part of their role is to hunt down any member of the ecclesiarchy who might attempt this.

It's not a question of men and women - frateris irregulars can be both, but the ecclesiarchy may have no standing military force of either gender other than the sisters. Even so fighting under any banner save that of the imperium would raise questions. 'Long term' is also completely out of the question.

The closest thing to commandeering that comes to mind would be Setheno (who would demand/intimidate co-operation out of other forces), and Sabbat (who wasn't a member of the sororitas/ecclesiarchy).

A.T. wrote:

slade the sniper wrote:
As for fluff, I assume that as a ranking member of an Imperial force, the Sisters could basically commandeer the survivors of a few other units for an important operation for the Ecclesiarchy.

The sisters have no authority of any kind to commandeer imperial forces.

They can seek co-operation, request assistance, or march on and inspire scattered forces to rally behind them but they have no legitimate command authority over the guard, etc - indeed part of their role is to hunt down any member of the ecclesiarchy who might attempt this.

It's not a question of men and women - frateris irregulars can be both, but the ecclesiarchy may have no standing military force of either gender other than the sisters. Even so fighting under any banner save that of the imperium would raise questions. 'Long term' is also completely out of the question.

The closest thing to commandeering that comes to mind would be Setheno (who would demand/intimidate co-operation out of other forces), and Sabbat (who wasn't a member of the sororitas/ecclesiarchy).

Rallying say some dregs and strays at a hospitler site where they are cut off or maybe the war has reached there border and some gangers end up forced there and forming a temporary allied force is ok. They cannot force it by say the guard had lost officer and was cut off they would look to sisters to lead potentially.

But after the battle it would have to break up. They might permitted to stay if there was no other reinforcements to protect the Holy site and hospital bit that's a small garrison, a temporary one to protect a valuable location. But even then once the threat had passed the sisters would have to surrender there auxiliary forces.

Lik wise forna group whom formed way to persuade q certain objective. After they done they would have to disband it. They might be able to bear a symbol as a memento of honrwble service to emparror.

But either way. Sisters where isolated for a reason, and they have tight controls about marines, sisters or such formin there own task forces. In the field as a matter of need is ok.

But forming a standing force would be really suspicious.

that said sisters orders like many Imperial forces tend to develop ties of honor, custom and tradtion that work. so the 1138th Thebes House Extermination regiment, might have been saved by the Holy Order of our bored Lady, and made an oath to return the favor should it ever be needed

 jhe90 wrote:
Rallying say some dregs and strays at a hospitler site where they are cut off or maybe the war has reached there border and some gangers end up forced there and forming a temporary allied force is ok. They cannot force it by say the guard had lost officer and was cut off they would look to sisters to lead potentially.

Certainly.

But they cannot (officially) commandeer forces - so no banners, handing out weapons, or switching out uniforms. At least nothing that looks like it was driven by the sisters themselves.

A.T. wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Rallying say some dregs and strays at a hospitler site where they are cut off or maybe the war has reached there border and some gangers end up forced there and forming a temporary allied force is ok. They cannot force it by say the guard had lost officer and was cut off they would look to sisters to lead potentially.

Certainly.

But they cannot (officially) commandeer forces - so no banners, handing out weapons, or switching out uniforms. At least nothing that looks like it was driven by the sisters themselves.

A temporary, or small ID marker added on uniform for the group friend and foe might be ok while they working together, maybe a memento or badge honouring service at most/ tattoo.

Small stuff may be ok, long as it's subtle and no major. Yeah. Swapping uniforms and so would not fly though.

I don't know, in Cain books, PDF forces of one of the Orders home planet are really religious and well drilled. I don't recall if it was mentioned it's because Sisters outright commanded the higher standard, or just inspired it, Cain does state the PDF units in question are rather unusual in his memoirs.

The Sisters used to have auxiliary units that the Hereticus seized control of. They can seize control of units like Guardsman and command them, or at least their leading Inquisitor can.

Back around though, they can be just random guardsmen in their original outfits, or they could have some shoulder marking or paint scheme marking them as now being in service to the Hereticus.


As far as allies to the organization; the orders make their own allies like Space Marine chapters make their own. The Argent Shroud and the Flesh Tearers don't get along, but the Ebon Chalice is fairly cool with them IIRC. The Sisters as a whole are almost always at odds with the Mechanicus though, they don't trust each other so a lot of the Sisters' tanks don't work right [Exorcists].

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
The Sisters used to have auxiliary units that the Hereticus seized control of. They can seize control of units like Guardsman and command them, or at least their leading Inquisitor can.

Back around though, they can be just random guardsmen in their original outfits, or they could have some shoulder marking or paint scheme marking them as now being in service to the Hereticus.


As far as allies to the organization; the orders make their own allies like Space Marine chapters make their own. The Argent Shroud and the Flesh Tearers don't get along, but the Ebon Chalice is fairly cool with them IIRC. The Sisters as a whole are almost always at odds with the Mechanicus though, they don't trust each other so a lot of the Sisters' tanks don't work right [Exorcists].

Not sure but Tenplers are one of few who worship empaor as a god not a immortal lord. I believe they have decent relations. They share pretty similar beliefs bar the whole being super humans who trashed the great crusade. They both despise witches, mutant and alien with vervent fever and zeal.

Not sure if they grey knights incident is known. There unlikely to be freinds if so.

Inquisitors Retinue?

Depending on how uniform these other ladies look, you could have them be part of a regiment raised from a shrine world like the Maccabian Janissaries.

Being raised from a shrine world they have significant ecclesiarchical presence and your sisters accompany them to guard the priests and aid them in their divine mandate - said priests are looked up to by all ranks of said guardsmen but defer to the accompanying battle sisters on martial matters.

 Irbis wrote:
I don't know, in Cain books, PDF forces of one of the Orders home planet are really religious and well drilled. I don't recall if it was mentioned it's because Sisters outright commanded the higher standard, or just inspired it, Cain does state the PDF units in question are rather unusual in his memoirs.

Yep

Also the Sisters are seen in the same vein as Astartes -chosen warriors of the god that the Imperials worship, even hardened veterans that Cain works with are awed by them. Cain, being Cain is more concerend about how they like to charge into a fight.....

Receving the blessing of a Sororitas Unit to celebrate how they fought together would be a proud moment again in a similar manner to Imperial units having honour badges, standards etc that show their fought alongside the Astartes.

Good example of this in Helsreach - a Navy squadron displays a crusade cross granted to them by a Black Templars Marshal - Other Black Templars not only respect them for it but know they are worthy allies.

 Irbis wrote:
I don't know, in Cain books, PDF forces of one of the Orders home planet are really religious and well drilled. I don't recall if it was mentioned it's because Sisters outright commanded the higher standard, or just inspired it, Cain does state the PDF units in question are rather unusual in his memoirs.

I don't think it is clearly stated if sisters have direct command on the PDF units mustered in ecclesiarchy territory. During the battle sisters do not seem to direct them, before however the same sisters opposed an IG general's order to investigate every PDF units for GSC infiltration . And so sister's PDF didn't have to undergo the scrutiny.

Seraf wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
I don't know, in Cain books, PDF forces of one of the Orders home planet are really religious and well drilled. I don't recall if it was mentioned it's because Sisters outright commanded the higher standard, or just inspired it, Cain does state the PDF units in question are rather unusual in his memoirs.

I don't think it is clearly stated if sisters have direct command on the PDF units mustered in ecclesiarchy territory. During the battle sisters do not seem to direct them, before however the same sisters opposed an IG general's order to investigate every PDF units for GSC infiltration . And so sister's PDF didn't have to undergo the scrutiny.

Reputation for being somewhat crazy zealous, and a love of all things flamey, melty and Blasty does not hurt. Plus can you really imagine there world's where not anything but zealous about opposing xeno inflriltratuon.

A shrine world despite its major traffic flows is not a very good place for a cult to hide when the majority of planets incoming and populations culture are frothong zealously and foaming at mouth to honour their god.

 jhe90 wrote:

Seraf wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
I don't know, in Cain books, PDF forces of one of the Orders home planet are really religious and well drilled. I don't recall if it was mentioned it's because Sisters outright commanded the higher standard, or just inspired it, Cain does state the PDF units in question are rather unusual in his memoirs.

I don't think it is clearly stated if sisters have direct command on the PDF units mustered in ecclesiarchy territory. During the battle sisters do not seem to direct them, before however the same sisters opposed an IG general's order to investigate every PDF units for GSC infiltration . And so sister's PDF didn't have to undergo the scrutiny.

Reputation for being somewhat crazy zealous, and a love of all things flamey, melty and Blasty does not hurt. Plus can you really imagine there world's where not anything but zealous about opposing xeno inflriltratuon.

A shrine world despite its major traffic flows is not a very good place for a cult to hide when the majority of planets incoming and populations culture are frothong zealously and foaming at mouth to honour their god.

It wasn't a shrine world, apart from unusual geography (the livable parts of the planet were mesas and spires), it was a normal imperial world with modest amounts of food production and manufacturing (i.e., not a hive world, forge world or agriworld). They basically treated the PDF unit adjacent to their convent as 'theirs,' and no one had any objection, even the Inquisitor present (though she wasn't at that particular meeting) or the Lord General. Though as a commissar, Cain himself would have more authority over the PDF unit than the sisters.

No one present particularly liked the canoness, but no one objected to the idea that questioning the loyalty of the PDF unit was akin to questioning the loyalty of the sisters themselves.

Thanks for all of the ideas

I will go with a small badge denoting a past battle honor.

Should I go with a unit banner with a Fleur de lys on it as part of the heraldry, OR
a blue sash on many of the models (the Sisters have blue as their primary color as they are the Order of the Blue Rose), OR
have some of the higher ranking dudettes have a blue rose pinned somewhere on them (as the senior Sisters have a blue rose on them).

The IG troops are going to be in olive drab shirts with camo pants...
The gangers are going to be, uh, in some indeterminate colors...

The IG and press ganged gangers can have different sigils. Ideas?

-STS

I like the idea of having the Fleur in a place of Honor on the company banner - or else just the Ecclesiarchy's I symbol (all the better if players mistake it for the inquisition's I symbol), and also having the honour represented on the troops in some manner. I think a sash would be bulky and time consuming though, maybe a vertical blue stripe on the chest plate?