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September 2019 FAQ says roll the profile when you pick the shooting unit (Step 1). Case closed. Obliterators can know the weapon profile prior to selecting a target.

Yeah, that was just clarifying the errata I mentioned in my last post.

Errata changed the codex. FAQ now says it functions like errata says.

Meanwhile SAG Meks have to guess what they're going to roll on 2d6 after selecting their targets. What a load of gak.

Actually that makes complete logical sense from a lore/fluff perspective. I have zero issue believing the Ork points the weapon in a direction and pulls the trigger...with little to no idea what will happen after that point. Obliterators would be using generated weaponry to tackle a specific threat (or they used to back when they actually just had...all the guns).

I see no issue with it.

 Elbows wrote:
Actually that makes complete logical sense from a lore/fluff perspective. I have zero issue believing the Ork points the weapon in a direction and pulls the trigger...with little to no idea what will happen after that point. Obliterators would be using generated weaponry to tackle a specific threat (or they used to back when they actually just had...all the guns).

I see no issue with it.

Orks aren't stupid. They're simple, but not stupid-a Big Mek's pride and joy gun should be something they know like the back of their hand. Probably better. They know when it's running hot, ready to vaporize a Knight, and they know when it's running cold, and barely able to tickle a Grot.

Moreover, it's less engaging and fun.

, at the same time that you choose targets
for the shooting unit’s attacks, you must declare how you
will split the shooting unit’s shots; then resolve all the
shots against one target before moving on to the next.’

you choose your targets at the same time as deciding what weapons fire where.... if those things happen at the same time, does it not make sense that you must roll first ? you chose a unit with a fleshmetal gun, you must attack with all your weapons. So the unit has at that point been chosen to attack with a fleshmetal gun... then you choose targets and split attacks.. you certainly can not split the attacks of weapons that have no profile yet ? We know that all of a single weapons attacks must target the same unit but the wording of the rule is "how you will split the shooting unit's shots" and we can't do that until the unit has a profile with shots to split.

At least that's the only way it makes sense to me ...

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Actually that makes complete logical sense from a lore/fluff perspective. I have zero issue believing the Ork points the weapon in a direction and pulls the trigger...with little to no idea what will happen after that point. Obliterators would be using generated weaponry to tackle a specific threat (or they used to back when they actually just had...all the guns).

I see no issue with it.

Orks aren't stupid. They're simple, but not stupid-a Big Mek's pride and joy gun should be something they know like the back of their hand. Probably better. They know when it's running hot, ready to vaporize a Knight, and they know when it's running cold, and barely able to tickle a Grot.

Moreover, it's less engaging and fun.

JNA has it. Also fluff should not be used to balance the game unless you want SM winning every game ever.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Actually that makes complete logical sense from a lore/fluff perspective. I have zero issue believing the Ork points the weapon in a direction and pulls the trigger...with little to no idea what will happen after that point. Obliterators would be using generated weaponry to tackle a specific threat (or they used to back when they actually just had...all the guns).

I see no issue with it.

Orks aren't stupid. They're simple, but not stupid-a Big Mek's pride and joy gun should be something they know like the back of their hand. Probably better. They know when it's running hot, ready to vaporize a Knight, and they know when it's running cold, and barely able to tickle a Grot.

Moreover, it's less engaging and fun.

JNA has it. Also fluff should not be used to balance the game unless you want SM winning every game ever.

This i agree with orkz did constantly get shafted by lol rng.

And whilest i agree it is good that Oblits know what they have atm, i feel like the sag and other such effects which are potentially disadvantagous just because it is orkz or mutants to be stupidly bad.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Meanwhile SAG Meks have to guess what they're going to roll on 2d6 after selecting their targets. What a load of gak.

Bear in mind that SAG costs 2/3 what an Obliterator costs, is a hideable character, has a 60" range, guaranteed AP -5, D6 damage, and can cause mortal wounds. (1d6 attacks, but you can't have it all)

I think it's just fine.